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Good computer for MAME on sale
« on: October 29, 2004, 02:18:28 pm »
Thought I would post this for anyone that may need a
computer. It seems like a good deal to me.

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4199403

Later all.

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #1 on: October 29, 2004, 04:33:12 pm »
Thought I would post this for anyone that may need a
computer. It seems like a good deal to me.

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4199403

Later all.

Frys is regularly having specials like that on their  GQ models I recently bought this model (for my parents) and it was a pretty nice computer.  (the keyboard sucked but other than that....)

They also have an Athlon 1600 model usually around $150.00


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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #2 on: October 29, 2004, 10:53:16 pm »
What is the amd 2000 equal to using Intel Math?

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #3 on: October 29, 2004, 11:05:38 pm »
I'm not sure that clock speed even matters anymore really. But a 2000 is probably around 1500 or so? My 2600 clocks at 19something.

Of course clock speed is not a really accurate determination of anything anymore. Since a 2000 mhz computer can run a program up to several hundred times faster than a 100 mhz 486. So it isn't like clock speeds are like miles per hour.

Really most people would be best served buying the slowest (non-crippled, no Celerons) processor on the market and spending the savings on a faster hard drive and more faster ram.
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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2004, 01:18:27 am »
A question: for us non-linux folks, can this be ordered without an OS or is it simple to format and install Win98SE?
Thanks for the bargain!

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2004, 07:58:48 am »

Really most people would be best served buying the slowest (non-crippled, no Celerons) processor on the market and spending the savings on a faster hard drive and more faster ram.
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 ???  ???
non crippled, no celerons?
educate me please.  is there a reason I need to stop getting celerons

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2004, 10:14:06 am »
"educate me please."

Clock speed doesn't really matter like it used to.  That's why AMD switched to the XP "naming system".

An AMD 2000+XP performs right in the area of a 2.0Ghz P4.  The actual clock speed is proably around 1.5Ghz like Paige said.  Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe this is because a P4 can handle 6 instructions per clock cycle while the AMD can do 9 (I think that's right).

The celeron/duron processors are slower than their big brothers because they have less cache on the chip.  Kind of like a mini swap file.  Things may have changed recently, but when I was into this stuff a couple years back a computer filled it's "memory" like this:

Level 1 cache
Level 2 cache
memory
hard drive cache
hard drive swap file

Each step requires more time.  Your L1 cache is the fastest, then L2, memory and hard drive.  Some chips like the celerons/durons had no L2 cache.  The Pentium chips had a larger L1 cache AND an L2 cache.  This might be different now, because I'm not up to speed on the newest stuff anymore.

That's why a 1Ghz Pentium is faster than a 1Ghz Celeron & the XP chips are faster than the Durons at the same clock speed.
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For memory, it has a speed rating too.  It's more complex if you consider timing adjustments, but basically the PC-2700 is slower than PC-3200 is slower than PC-4000... get the idea?
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The hard drive is the slowest link in the chain.  If you're playing a game and it stutters while reading to the hard drive to swap info, an increase in memory will help.  If you're working on a large graphics file, it will start using the hard drive and slow down substantially.  This is why newer drives have a larger cache and spin at higher rpms.
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I think Paige called the celeron crippled because of how chip manufacturers produce their chips.  Say we wanted to make chips.  A high-end chip called "Crazy Cooters" and a slower one called "Cooters".  We run a batch of 4ghz "Crazy Cooter" chips.  Now during our quality control, we find some of the chips have stability problems with their L2 cache.  The easy solution is to just disable it and sell them as "Cooters".  That way we can use the same tooling setup and make both kinds of chips.  If we need slower chips, say 3.5Ghz, we just limit how fast the run.  It's called "locking" the chip.  All without changing the manufacturing process.  This is why people can "overclock" their chips.  They buy our 3.5Ghz chip and unlock it.  Then they turn it up to 4Ghz.  During the next 6 months, we make some small changes (called steps) to the production process.  This increases our quality and now all we produce is "Crazy Cooters".  Cool right?  Well if the market demands "Cooters", we need to cripple some "Crazy Cooters" and fill that demand.  ;)

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2004, 12:36:16 pm »
thanks.
I understand most of it. I was going to get a Pent. chip and was saving up for it but once I got enough for a 2.6 cel. I could not help myself. I bought it.
I have been happy with it so far. I am not a fan of PC games.
most are internet play and at 28.8 internet speed I see no since in playing.
dvd burning is the most I need speed for. I have no problems with mame on this PC.
I guess it all boils down to what the PC will be used for.
I did not mean to steal this persons post. My 9yr olds pc has a mother board going bad. I can see a capasitor is blown. She has lost the use of CD drive ::) I am buying a new MOBO for her and wanted to see if I have been messing up on the PC's I have built. 5 total.
I am self taght and just dove in head first

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2004, 08:59:10 pm »
Looking at Pricewatch, it looks like Celeron chips run at about the same price is the equivalent "rated" Athlon XP chip (2.0g Celeron >= same price as XP 2000+, etc).  For the same or less money, the Athlon XP's performance is going to destroy the Celeron in every measurable way.

If you didn't know any better, I wouldn't beat myself up over buying some Celerons, but I wouldn't recommend doing it in the future.
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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2004, 10:42:41 pm »
I am self taght and just dove in head first

Best way to do it. ;)

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2004, 11:29:42 pm »
A question: for us non-linux folks, can this be ordered without an OS or is it simple to format and install Win98SE?
Thanks for the bargain!
I'd like to make an order soon, can anyone with experience answer this question for me please?  Googled it, got 1 yes reply but still leery of formatting and installing Win98SE unless I'm certain it will work.  Thanks all, ARCADIAC!

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2004, 12:01:38 am »
Got mine on Tuesday, played with the "Linspire" the OS it came with for about an hour.
After that I put my Windows XP cd in the drive, turned computer off and back on again.
When booting it will ask you if you want to boot from cd, hit enter or choose "yes" and Windows installation menu will pop up.
XP installed and it runs like a champ, no problems installing Windows.

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2004, 03:54:39 am »
Thanks AlexC, finally got the answer I was looking for.  My son's PC is giving up the ghost and I really don't have a lot of bux to spend on another PC for him, money is just too tight right now.  This one will get him by for a good while so I'm gonna go ahead and order one for him.
Your help is appreciated, thanks again!  ARCADIAC!

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #13 on: November 05, 2004, 11:53:30 am »
Offer is dead, went up to $279.00 last night, I got in just under the wire, thanks again for the bargain.  ARCADIAC!

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #14 on: November 05, 2004, 11:55:14 am »
A question: for us non-linux folks, can this be ordered without an OS or is it simple to format and install Win98SE?
Thanks for the bargain!
I'd like to make an order soon, can anyone with experience answer this question for me please?  Googled it, got 1 yes reply but still leery of formatting and installing Win98SE unless I'm certain it will work.  Thanks all, ARCADIAC!

Hi,
I had not problems installing XP. on this computer. The computer came with drivers for the Motherboard for XP (not sure about 98)

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2004, 12:50:58 pm »
As far as Fry's deals go, that one listed at the top isn't the best. I got one of those Athlon 1.6Ghz for $150. Though the speed isn't quite as fast, the price is hard to beat. It was a little low on RAM for emulation, but I had that extra.

However, for maybe $20 than that machine listed above, Fry's had a Windows XP machine with similar specs recently. For those people that actually want the XP license, that's a pretty good deal.


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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2004, 09:29:46 pm »
who needs an xp license, just download it... lol
windows eventually screws up anyway, get linux, it's free, stable, and better :)
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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2004, 01:05:36 am »
FYI, Here's whats available NOW:
The above offer raised to $279 from $199.  

I had to call customer service to get the old price, I tried to buy it during the middle of last night (4am) and although it was still listed at $199 on the product page, the shopping cart kept coming up as $279.

The only other GQ desktop offered there right now:

http://shop3.outpost.com/product/4199323?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Raised from $279 to $449 at the same time, not hardly worth the extra bux, must be pre-holiday greed setting in!
From others experience it probably will be worth waiting for another special to come up.

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2004, 03:00:58 pm »
If you live in N. Cal they have this one on sale.

http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2004/11/05/6566.html

And if you live in S. Cal, or Dallas they have this one on sale.

http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2004/11/05/6568.html

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #19 on: November 21, 2004, 10:34:29 pm »
Down to $179.99, $20 less than I paid  :'(
Good PC tho' I installed Win98se and a dvdr drive for my son, he's happy with it so it's a good value, at least until Black Friday!  ARCADIAC!

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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #20 on: December 09, 2004, 03:06:29 pm »
What about this one?

Wal-Mart Link

It looks like a good deal but do you think you could format and install xp?
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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #21 on: December 09, 2004, 04:08:47 pm »
I don't see why not; it's just a standard PC.

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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #22 on: December 11, 2004, 02:37:15 am »
that is a horrible PC...

but yeah, you could install a different OS on it easily by booting from cd-rom...might have to change BIOS settings tho...

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Re:Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #23 on: December 11, 2004, 06:22:12 am »
What is the amd 2000 equal to using Intel Math?

2ghz 400fsb P4

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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #24 on: December 13, 2004, 01:36:22 am »
Have any of you bought one of these? What are your recommendations? I just wanna use it as a file backup computer. And maybe a second one for mame.

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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #25 on: December 13, 2004, 03:59:56 am »
i wouldn't buy that walmart pc...for 1, its a sempron processor...decent speed (1.5ghz), but go with an Athlon XP processor...the harddrive is small with slow RPM's...and the memory is horrible? pc333??? i haven't seen that in years...and its not even SDRAM...but its your money...might be good for mame, but i doubt it...

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Re: Good computer for MAME on sale
« Reply #26 on: December 13, 2004, 07:50:26 am »
Lets look at this real quick

>i wouldn't buy that walmart pc...for 1, its a sempron processor...decent speed (1.5ghz), but go with an Athlon XP processor

The sempron processors are the Athlon XP with a name change, they have moved the xp to the low end while promoting the opteron as the high end chip.

sempron=athlon xp in the lower speeds.
sempron=athlon 64 in the higher speeds.

For run down on this check out this article.

http://www.tomshardware.com/cpu/20040728/index.html

>...the harddrive is small with slow RPM's
20 Gig is small by todays standards, but will hold ALL of mame easily if you skip the chd games.

>...and the memory is horrible?
Yep 128 Meg SUCKS..

>pc333??? i haven't seen that in years...and its not even SDRAM

No PC333 is DDR SDRAM, the same stuff most people are putting into their mainstream systems. Some of us have moved to PC400, but the budget shops are still shipping PC333.

>...but its your money...might be good for mame, but i doubt it...

The killer on mame use will be the video, you only have 128 meg total ram, but 32 is already grabbed for the onboard video. Leaving you with only 96 Meg after you boot. And we have all heard how horrible onboard video fairs for performance.

If it had 256Meg of ram and a video card it would make a good mame machine.
One of my systems has about the same setup.

The only differences are 256 meg of ram and a AVGA card.

(And a 10 gig 5400 rpm HD)