spinner (mouse hack) wiring questions

[Ed ONeill]

HELP !!
Ok I made a spinner but got in trouble and broke the left/right axis led off the board.

So I was wondering if I can switch the left/right axis  with up/down axis by changing the wiring

Here is the wiring harness from left to right

Black (thick) ground, it's connected to a copper stand
Red.... I am assuming power
orange
black (thin)
yellow
brown

Can anyone can help me with the wiring order before I cut and start  switching wires around.

Thanks
ED

[Ed ONeill]

After doing some more reading ..

I found that this CAN'T be done.

The wiring on a mouse is more complex than I thought.

Damn...Time to find another mopuse to hack...LOL

 
-Ed

[Tiger-Heli]

After doing some more reading ..

I found that this CAN'T be done.

The wiring on a mouse is more complex than I thought.

Damn...Time to find another mopuse to hack...LOL

 
-Ed

You COULD wire the spinner to the Mouse Up/Down axis and then use NoNameMAME or MAME Analog Plus to change the mouse axis used for your games.  Probably simpler to start over, though  

[Ed ONeill]

Tiger-Heli ...thanks I started over and got it working!

Well sort of..... I am not sure what is going on If I spin the spinner clockwise  it actually moves in the opposite direction .

Example if I play tempest and turn the spinner clock wise I am actually moving counter clockwise .BTW I tried using the joystick and that is opposite as well.

Any suggestions or is this how a spinner actually works...  I don't remember it's been so long since I've played the game.

Signed
Ed

[Tiger-Heli]

Any suggestions or is this how a spinner actually works...  I don't remember it's been so long since I've played the game.

That's not how it works -

Easy suggestion - MAME Tab Menu - Analog settings - Dial Revese - ON, but you need to set this individually for all spinner games, AFAIK.

More difficult suggestion - Flip your optic boards 180 degrees or swap the two signal wires to the mouse hack.

[Ed ONeill]

Any idea on which wirse to switch because I already cut the cord to the first mouse.

Thanks
Ed

[Tiger-Heli]

Any idea on which wirse to switch because I already cut the cord to the first mouse.
Thanks
Ed

Whatever corresponds to X1 and X2 on minwah's mouse hack page.  Without knowing what you're hacking, I can't give more info.

[Ed ONeill]

Ok forget the wiring option looks to difficult for me

Now where is this analog setting that you referr to I am using mame 32.79

Thanks
Ed

[Tiger-Heli]

Ok forget the wiring option looks to difficult for me

Now where is this analog setting that you referr to I am using mame 32.79

Thanks
Ed

Start a spinner game and press TAB, and then see my comments above

[Ed ONeill]

Thanks Tiger-Heli ..Your the man

Ithis works great and now I only have 15 more to go...LOL

I do have one question for you...y would hacking a mouse cause this to happen? If I use a mouse normally it doesn't go backwards

Signed
Ed

[Tiger-Heli]

I do have one question for you...y would hacking a mouse cause this to happen? If I use a mouse normally it doesn't go backwards

Like I said, since I don't know how your mouse hack worked, the best I can do is answer in generalities.

It depends how the mouse hack is hooked up -

A bit of simplified info and terms on how a mouse works - The encoder wheel (light chopper) turns as the mouse is moved (say up and down).  There are two black (or 1 clear) "bricks" on either side of the wheel.  One of these is the emitter and one is the receiver.  These send light pulses through the encoder wheel to pick up direction and speed of the wheel movement.  Signals from the emitter and reciever are processed by the circuit on the PCB into a format which the (serial, PS/2, or USB) port on the computer can interpret.

The most basic hack - if you take the encoder wheel from the mouse and mount it on the end of the spinner - then as long as clockwise was left for the encoder wheel and you maintain that with the spinner the direction will be correct (assuming no gearing involved).  If it is backwards, you can flip the mouse PCB (moving the emitter from the top to the bottom of the wheel or vice versa) and it will work.

The next most basic hack - If you desolder the emitter and receiver and mount them to a PCB and then wire these back to the mouse PCB, you can again either swap the PCB direction, or swap wires around, but I'm not sure which ones get changed.

The more advanced hack - If you are using arcade optic boards (like a Happ trackball) and you remove the emitter and receiver from the mouse PCB and wire these in, one pair of wires from the emitter (emitter and receiver?) handles mouse direction, and you can just swap these to change direction.

[Ed ONeill]

The most basic hack - if you take the encoder wheel from the mouse and mount it on the end of the spinner - then as long as clockwise was left for the encoder wheel and you maintain that with the spinner the direction will be correct (assuming no gearing involved).  If it is backwards, you can flip the mouse PCB (moving the emitter from the top to the bottom of the wheel or vice versa) and it will work.

I made mine exactly how you described above.  I didn't cchange the direction of the spinner. So I got to thinking..... I was really confused . I didn't change anything so I had to put the mouse back together to see what was what.

 I think I figured it out..I looked at both of the mice I hacked, so  this should be true for all ball mice (mouses)

If you move the mouse right  the ball moves clockwise but iit then makes contact with the encoder wheel it causes the wheel to rotate counter clockwise.

Therefore ... if anyone makes a spinner like I did   they would have to do this.  

Thanks
ED

[Tiger-Heli]

I think I figured it out..I looked at both of the mice I hacked, so  this should be true for all ball mice (mouses)

If you move the mouse right  the ball moves clockwise but iit then makes contact with the encoder wheel it causes the wheel to rotate counter clockwise.

Correct!

[Ed ONeill]

Tiger-Heli

Thanks so much for taking th time to help me I really do appreciate it.

So now that I know this is true...
why did no one mention that you have to change the settings in mame  in their guides to building  your own spinner?

Oh well...Live and learn

Thanks
Ed