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[Howard_Casto]

does anybody really know what "full HD" is??

HD is only HD if there is something less than what is being called HD is now called HD can no longer be called HD cause A NEW HD IS IN TOWN MOFO!.
color was HD
then 720 was HD
then 1080 was HD

By that logic my computer monitor at 1920x1200 is... the new, new, "full HD"?

Nope.  First off, when we are talking High Definition, we are only referring to televisions.  Computer monitors have exceeded the resolutions of HD sets ten years before they ever hit the market.  The reason wasn't technology limitations but rather limitations on broadcast bandwidth.  It's pretty hard to justify the expense of a 1080p monitor when tv is only broadcast in 480i. 

Afaik color tv was never referred to as HD. 

480p is SD or standard definition.  Anything lower can also be considered SD, but 480i is also referred to as broadcast quality because that used to be the standard resolution tv used.  Of course that term is quickly becoming obsolete. 


Anything 720i or higher is considered HD.  Understand though that 1080p sets were available alongside the first 720p sets, so a "new HD" has never been released.  1080p has ALWAYS been considered "FULL HD"  Btw, broadcast television STILL isn't in full hd.  Most broadcasts are in 1080i or 720p.  The only thing outputting 1080p would be your computer, your bluray player and your video game consoles.  Even the video game consoles rarely render the graphics in 1080p, they just output at that resolution.


So long story short, since the term HD started floating around, full hd has always been 1080p because this will be the maximum broadcasts can handle for quite some time.  Full HD would only be upped if they start chruning out higher broadcast resolutions, and since we haven't even hit 1080p yet, it could be quite some time before that happens.

The term was coined, btw, because test groups found that even though we've dealt with monitor resolutions on our computers since the mid-90's, the average consumer is too stupid to understand what a higher resolution is or means.  To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

The term HD is really abused though, not by the tv industry but by everybody else.  Computer monitors, which have been HD for YEARS are now touting a big HD sicker on the side as if that's something to be impressed by.  Video cards now tout HD graphics, when setting the display to 1080p would actually downgrade the maximum resolution of the card.

I also got a chuckle out of the HD Vision sunglasses they sell on the infomercials.  Guess what moronic consumers?  Real life is ALWAYS in HD. 

[lilshawn]

Afaik color tv was never referred to as HD. 

although not actually saying "High definition" per say, color was always toted as the newest bestest thing with gimiky names for it. True to life dat!

[Blanka]

Nope.  First off, when we are talking High Definition, we are only referring to televisions.  Computer monitors have exceeded the resolutions of HD sets ten years before they ever hit the market.  The reason wasn't technology limitations but rather limitations on broadcast bandwidth.  It's pretty hard to justify the expense of a 1080p monitor when tv is only broadcast in 480i.  

Afaik color tv was never referred to as HD.  

In Japan they had HD analog broadcasts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sub-Nyquist_sampling_encoding
It was comparable to 1080i in resolution and was full colour analog.

Computer monitors did not exceed that! Two of the first high res computer screens are the 2 page b&w Apple monitor at 1152x870 pixels in 1989 and the NextStation monitor with 4-level grayscale 1120x832 in 1990.

[wizkid32]

does anybody really know what "full HD" is??

HD is only HD if there is something less than what is being called HD is now called HD can no longer be called HD cause A NEW HD IS IN TOWN MOFO!.
color was HD
then 720 was HD
then 1080 was HD

480p (720i) is standard TV program definition.

720p (1080i) is considered high definition.  But it lacks a bit on bigger TVs.

1080p is the highest definition available, and thus "Full HD". 

Just look at the package.  If it says "Full HD", it should run at 1080p.  If it just says "HD", it will most likely only be 720p.  There is a major difference between the two, and it only gets worse as the TV size increases.  It's not to bad on a 32" or less TV, but on anything bigger than that, it will be much more noticeable.

[Howard_Casto]

Nope.  First off, when we are talking High Definition, we are only referring to televisions.  Computer monitors have exceeded the resolutions of HD sets ten years before they ever hit the market.  The reason wasn't technology limitations but rather limitations on broadcast bandwidth.  It's pretty hard to justify the expense of a 1080p monitor when tv is only broadcast in 480i.  

Afaik color tv was never referred to as HD.  

In Japan they had HD analog broadcasts:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_sub-Nyquist_sampling_encoding
It was comparable to 1080i in resolution and was full colour analog.

Computer monitors did not exceed that! Two of the first high res computer screens are the 2 page b&w Apple monitor at 1152x870 pixels in 1989 and the NextStation monitor with 4-level grayscale 1120x832 in 1990.

Yeah I'm aware of Japan's experiments with HD broadcasting... they were just that, experiments.  It doesn't matter anyway as the term HD hadn't been coined at that point.  Actual HD programming didn't start popping up for the mass market until the very late 90's, when the term HD started to be thrown around.  By then you could easily find a 1920x1200 monitor or a similar 4:3 based resolution.  I apologize though... that shouldn't have said "10 years" it should have just said "years"..... sometimes what I think and what I type don't sync up. 

[wizkid32]

sometimes what I think and what I type don't sync up. 

I know the feeling...   

[amendonz]

My mega drive is high def, says so right on the console

[Vigo]

My mega drive is high def, says so right on the console

Oh yeah, they do! At least the first model did. I knew I knew I heard of HD regarding TV picture for longer than just within the last 8 years or so, but couldn't think of any examples.

Who knew that roughly 1/4th of VGA resolution qualified as High Definition? 

[yotsuya]

To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

UGH!!! is right on. I get tired of buying nice 22inch widescreen monitors for people at work, only to see them switch the resolution to 800x600 or something like that to make the icons bigger. 

[lilshawn]

To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

UGH!!! is right on. I get tired of buying nice 22inch widescreen monitors for people at work, only to see them switch the resolution to 800x600 or something like that to make the icons bigger. 

 

[yotsuya]

To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

UGH!!! is right on. I get tired of buying nice 22inch widescreen monitors for people at work, only to see them switch the resolution to 800x600 or something like that to make the icons bigger.  

 

Exactly. You'd think they'd do a bit of research first or even ASK, but no.

[GibsonRiddler]

Don't forget Win-Dex will get you windows HD clean, and you can buy HD paints at Lowes.

[wizkid32]

To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

UGH!!! is right on. I get tired of buying nice 22inch widescreen monitors for people at work, only to see them switch the resolution to 800x600 or something like that to make the icons bigger. 

Personally, I just set my monitor to the highest resolution the poor old thing can handle, and then get used to it.   

[lilshawn]

To many people a high resolution just makes the icons on their desktop smaller.  (UGH!!!)

UGH!!! is right on. I get tired of buying nice 22inch widescreen monitors for people at work, only to see them switch the resolution to 800x600 or something like that to make the icons bigger. 

Personally, I just set my monitor to the highest resolution the poor old thing can handle, and then get used to it.   

i spent a few hours fixing a computer at 800x600.. then i went to my computer at 1920x1200 and i was like dayum!  , i cant see!

[Blanka]

By then you could easily find a 1920x1200 monitor or a similar 4:3 based resolution.

Yeah, My 1999 IIyama on my G4 Mac tower did a whopping 2048x1536. On a 19 inch screen (actual size 18)! OMG that meant sore eyes.... Nothing Retina about that.

[Gray_Area]

I think I'm getting distracted.

[boykster]

This thread is entertaining

[Gray_Area]

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