- blitz 122.34% 73.40fps
- blitz2k 121.94% 73.16fps
- blitz99 120.27% 68.55fps"
So, Blitz was fairly playable on your machine?
how the hell did you overclock so well? just good cooling? my air coolong is v good and my motherboards cooling is good as well (+i have a big case with lots of venaltion) so how far do you think i could overclock mine to without mods?
Jeez... Blitz is playable? How about the Gauntlet Legends games?
Great to see the benchmarks. Thanks! :applaud:
FWIW, according to most mameDev, an PM optimized build is better suited for core 2 CPUs than i686 optimization. Do you mind testing that? (Someone said it really helped propcycl, but the site has changed since then (http://mame32qa.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm).)
Also, as the link above hints, 0.120u1 is supposed to help some of these games go even faster. (But note some tested slower, too.)
Killer Instince 2 has sped up tremendously on my AMD 4400 64x2. Wargods as well.
But the former is all I cared about. Well...I am jealous about NFL Blitz, but at least I have the Dreamcast for that one.
so how far do you think i could overclock mine to without mods?
E6850 OC'd to 4.0 GHZ isn't a problem with the right equipment.
Great to see the benchmarks. Thanks! :applaud:
FWIW, according to most mameDev, an PM optimized build is better suited for core 2 CPUs than i686 optimization. Do you mind testing that? (Someone said it really helped propcycl, but the site has changed since then (http://mame32qa.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm).)
Also, as the link above hints, 0.120u1 is supposed to help some of these games go even faster. (But note some tested slower, too.)
The problem here is that I am trying to save up enough money for a CORE2DUO setup...and when I do, that computer is going RIGHT HERE ON MY DESK...Wonder how hard it would be and what kind of performance you would get if you networked the cabinet and desktop PC and ran the arcade as a client and ran Blitz off MAME on the desktop as a server?
The problem here is that I am trying to save up enough money for a CORE2DUO setup...and when I do, that computer is going RIGHT HERE ON MY DESK...Wonder how hard it would be and what kind of performance you would get if you networked the cabinet and desktop PC and ran the arcade as a client and ran Blitz off MAME on the desktop as a server?
Uh?!? There is a difference between file STORAGE (what you propose) and CPU PROCESSING POWER which is what your computer does on your end when playing games, etc. I'd have to essentially run a REALLY LONG VGA cord and USB cord from the computer in the office to the gameroom in the garage!Well, I'm not a network guru, but wouldn't you be able to use the CPU Processing power of the desktop Core2Duo for running MAME, and just use the networked slower box in the arcade for displaying graphics and feeding inputs to the main CPU.
Uh?!? There is a difference between file STORAGE (what you propose) and CPU PROCESSING POWER which is what your computer does on your end when playing games, etc. I'd have to essentially run a REALLY LONG VGA cord and USB cord from the computer in the office to the gameroom in the garage!Well, I'm not a network guru, but wouldn't you be able to use the CPU Processing power of the desktop Core2Duo for running MAME, and just use the networked slower box in the arcade for displaying graphics and feeding inputs to the main CPU.
You could use a wireless router and wireless card if they are really far apart and you don't want to string CAT 5 through the house.
I was going to wait until next week, to post my results for the new mame machine, my main desktop is a q6600 quad core, its 200% faster than my 6600 dual core I was running, so I ordered the same machine for my mame
q6600 quad core
4 gig of ram
gigabyte motherboard
I will have the parts in on wednesday, as soon as I'm built I will list the fps on the higher end chd games
dm
isnt mame with -mt just 2 threads ? with the second thread just doing framebuffer stuff.
Added support for controlling multithreading behavior through an
environment variable OSDPROCESSORS. To override the default behavior,
set OSDPROCESSORS equal to the number of logical processors you wish
the OSD layer to pretend you have. [Aaron Giles]Just out of curiosity, how does Star Wars Trilogy do.
hmmm, now i wonder how the 64 bit mame would compare to 32 bit
taz you are our benchmarking hero :).
isnt mame with -mt just 2 threads ? with the second thread just doing framebuffer stuff.
im not sure what else would be left for the other cpus to do other than 'run' disk i/o on CHDs or eat up cycles in AC97 ? i would think the mame helper thread would not busy up the 2nd core enough to need a 3rd or 4th.
btw 500 fsb is ---smurfing--- hot. nice work on your set up dood im impressed.
im runnin a e6600 @ 3.4 here on my desktop. abit in9 32x max (i dont recommend it, unless u just want the cool BIOS-driven LEDs mounted under the mobo stock :)) had to crank ~1.7v into it tho, for whatever reason. scythe infinity 120. 1 total fan in the system besides psu. no nb/sb mods besides as5, no fans.
c2ds are mean. reminds me of the old celeron 300A, but even better.
i hope i can get something comparable to your results with my new 2.66 6750. i dont think i'll be hittin any 4GHz tho.
it sure is inspiring to see your results, though....
and apparently 120u1 pentium-M optimized is where the party's at....
-swtrilgy (Emulation need a lot of work still major graphics issues)Thanks - that's actually better than I expected!!!
0.120u1 61.66% 39.97fps
... and in theory the 3rd and 4th will get in on the some of the action too.
Hi there, if you have a chance please run the pure CPU test bench on the standard build using the benchmarking params here:
http://mame32qa.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm
Aaron and I are curious about that and a similar run on a 64bit OS + 64bit Mame. Regards -
Game Driver Arguments 0.119 .120 .120.1
crusnusa midvunit.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 212.24% 212.12% 178.27%
starblad namcos21.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 234.33% 120.83% 116.97%
gauntleg vegas.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 47.92% 114.97% 132.38%
blitz seattle.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 122.25% 87.86% 111.59%
daytona model2.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep n/a 86.18% 87.22%
gradius4 hornet.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 60.36% 79.34% n/a
radikalb gaelco3d.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 77.46% 76.11% 95.72%
ridgerac namcos22.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 65.56% 64.73% 90.77%
scud model3.c -str 90 -video none -nosound -nothrottle -norc -nosleep 34.41% 32.91% 33.00%
Vista Ultimate 32 • Intel C2D E6400 3.4Ghz • 2GB Corsair DDR2 800 • ATI X1950 Pro
Standard baseline build w/ GCC tools
Compiling Mame is quite easy. Check out Mame Compiler (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=71845.0) for a front end and installer for all the tools necessary to compile. It has options for compiling 64-bit versions etc.
Deleting Object Folder...
Compiling Mame...
Using Parameters PTR64=1
Compiling src/osd/windows/winwork.c...
cc1.exe: warnings being treated as errors
src/osd/windows/winwork.c: In function 'compare_exchange_pointer':
src/osd/windows/winwork.c:77: warning: implicit declaration of function 'InterlockedCompareExchange64'
src/osd/windows/winwork.c:77: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
src/osd/windows/winwork.c:77: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
src/osd/windows/winwork.c:77: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size
src/osd/windows/winwork.c:78: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size
mingw32-make: *** [obj/windows/mame/osd/windows/winwork.o] Error 1
Finished!
0 Hours 0 Minutes and 0 Seconds Elapsed.
If you've got any idea what I might be doing wrong let me know.
Thanks for that 64bit run, are you fully 64bit Vista now or can you dual boot to 32bit and run an apples to apples w/ my numbers above. You can also use my official Mame32 .120u1 as the .exe and just redirect output. Thx -
CPU | ROM | Driver | 0.119 | 0.120 | 0120u1 | 0120u2 | 0.120(64bit) |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | crusnusa | midvunit.c | 212.24% | 212.12% | 178.27% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | crusnusa | midvuint.c | 257.69% | 257.32% | 218.20% | 214.79% | 271.81% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 234.33% | 120.83% | 116.97% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 299.30% | 144.10% | 144.00% | 142.10% | 153.57% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 47.92% | 114.97% | 132.38% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 68.91% | 166.17% | 173.07% | 166.03% | 183.42% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 122.25% | 87.86% | 111.59% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 153.43% | 138.59% | 143.28% | 136.99% | 164.15% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 86.18% | 87.22% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 106.17% | 106.43% | 104.94% | 142.72% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 60.36% | 79.34% | n/a | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 116.72% | 164.94% | n/a | 180.32% | 122.16% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 77.46% | 76.11% | 95.72% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 94.25% | 93.97% | 116.77% | 129.44% | 150.07% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 65.56% | 64.73% | 90.77% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 80.00% | 79.54% | 114.89% | 112.44% | 106.77% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | scud | model3.c | 34.41% | 32.91% | 33.00% | n/a | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | scud | model3.c | 41.21% | 39.60% | 39.56% | 38.93% | 33.81% |
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Sub Total: | $360.49 |
Thanks for the run. Yes you're missing the fastest configuration of .120u1 at 64bit. The jumps Aaron made in the software sli and applying that to the other 3d drivers really gave some nice boosts. He does his 64bit builds [PTR64=1 ]w/out PM=1 so it will be interesting to see if there are any changes w/ PM=1.
This post might help
http://www.mameworld.info/ubbthreads/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=129879&page=0&view=expanded&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1
Just FYI, I released the 64bit version of Mame32 .120.2 after going to Vista-64 the other night. Got some nice increases as you're seeing too.
CPU | ROM | Driver | 0.119 | 0.120 | 0120u1 | 0120u2 | 0.120(64) | 0.120u2(64) |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | crusnusa | midvunit.c | 212.24% | 212.12% | 178.27% | 182.84% | n/a | 220.81% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | crusnusa | midvuint.c | 257.69% | 257.32% | 218.20% | 214.79% | 271.81% | 269.31% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 234.33% | 120.83% | 116.97% | 119.37% | n/a | 127.74% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 299.30% | 144.10% | 144.00% | 142.10% | 153.57% | 150.71% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 47.92% | 114.97% | 132.38% | 139.10% | n/a | 163.50% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 68.91% | 166.17% | 173.07% | 166.03% | 183.42% | 191.32% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 122.25% | 87.86% | 111.59% | 113.12% | n/a | 145.63% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 153.43% | 138.59% | 143.28% | 136.99% | 164.15% | 185.35% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 86.18% | 87.22% | 89.09% | n/a | 120.89% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 106.17% | 106.43% | 104.94% | 142.72% | 140.42% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 60.36% | 79.34% | n/a | 97.97% | n/a | 79.57% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 116.72% | 164.94% | n/a | 180.32% | 122.16% | 125.69% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 77.46% | 76.11% | 95.72% | 109.88% | n/a | 163.93% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 94.25% | 93.97% | 116.77% | 129.44% | 150.07% | 200.22% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 65.56% | 64.73% | 90.77% | 92.37% | n/a | 147.79% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 80.00% | 79.54% | 114.89% | 112.44% | 106.77% | 194.55% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | scud | model3.c | 34.41% | 32.91% | 33.00% | 33.88% | n/a | 28.48% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | scud | model3.c | 41.21% | 39.60% | 39.56% | 38.93% | 33.81% | 33.89% |
Thanks for the benchmark results. scud and gradius4 both use the PowerPC, which has a DRC on 32-bit but not on 64-bit, so it's not surprising that 64-bit is slower.
In terms of future work, model2 and model3 can definitely be accelerated the same way, just haven't gotten around to it yet. System21 probably can be as well.
Thanks for the benchmark results. scud and gradius4 both use the PowerPC, which has a DRC on 32-bit but not on 64-bit, so it's not surprising that 64-bit is slower.
In terms of future work, model2 and model3 can definitely be accelerated the same way, just haven't gotten around to it yet. System21 probably can be as well.
could you benchmark this? http://www.mameworld.net/maws/set/puzzlekg (Puzzle King Dance & Puzzle.. by Eolith)
I'd be interested to know how well it performs on the 4ghz machine, yes, it's a simple 2d game, but it pushes the e132xs (hyperstone) core pretty hard, so the speedups have little effect.
could you benchmark this? http://www.mameworld.net/maws/set/puzzlekg (Puzzle King Dance & Puzzle.. by Eolith)
I'd be interested to know how well it performs on the 4ghz machine, yes, it's a simple 2d game, but it pushes the e132xs (hyperstone) core pretty hard, so the speedups have little effect.
I purchased vista 64 yesterday as soon as I get my new quad 4 built w/vista I will also post framerates, im going to use his guide for overclocking also, much better than I have been able to do
dm
CPU | ROM | Driver | 0.120u2(64) |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | crusnusa | midvunit.c | 220.81% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | crusnusa | midvuint.c | 269.31% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | crusnusa | midvunit.c | 139.86% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 127.74% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 150.71% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 90.47% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 163.50% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 191.32% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 133.76% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 145.63% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 185.35% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 128.91% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | daytona | model2.c | 120.89% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | daytona | model2.c | 140.42% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | daytona | model2.c | 83.73% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 79.57% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 125.69% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 65.95% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 163.93% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 200.22% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 109.55% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 147.79% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 194.55% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 33.74% |
| E6400 @ 3.5ghz | scud | model3.c | 28.48% |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | scud | model3.c | 33.89% |
| Q6600 @ 2.4ghz | scud | model3.c | 20.16% |
Thanks for all your hard work on the benchmarks taz.
It's looking like my next computer purchase will finally be able to play Blitz!
Do you have to compile a 64bit build of MAME to get these results? Or can you just run regular MAME 64?
Did I miss it in the thread that said why you were compiling MAME 64? I'm new to MAME and just don't understand the whole compiling stuff and why one would want to do it if the MAME devs have already done it for us with MAME 64.
Also, what's better for 64 bit MAME- Windows XP or Vista? Thanks guys.
Red
Thanks, I'm just glad people are get some use out of all it, and hope this put the myth that you need a 10ghz CPU to run CHD rom to rest once and for all.In fairness, I believe Aaron originally posted the 10ghz spec when people were struggling with Pentium 4's and Athlon's at less than 2 or 2.5 Ghz. This was before Quad-core or even C2D or A64 had come to market.
Your right my 4ghz Core 2 Duo (dual core) is equal to about a P4 8ghz, with :notworthy: the MAME Dev team's great work taking up the slack to the 10ghz mark.
In fairness, I believe Aaron originally posted the 10ghz spec when people were struggling with Pentium 4's and Athlon's at less than 2 or 2.5 Ghz. This was before Quad-core or even C2D or A64 had come to market.
I suspect your quad-core at 4 Ghz, is roughly equivalent to one of the processors of the time running at 10 Ghz.
I appreciate all the testing and all the gains made by MameDev, though!!!
The reason I jumped to the quad core, on the benchmarks I ran, the quad is twice as fast as my dual core e6600 was. I think if the quad had your magic like the other 2 computers, it would be much faster in mame. But after I finish the build if I find the quad is slower than the dual core due to the FSB no problem, I will switch the quad for the E6750 dual core in my racing setup & use that one.
dm
taz, thanks again for this wonderful thread & research :)
i've found it rather inspiring. so much so that i am getting rid of my tinyxp and going to vista64...and i've got my 2.66 cranked up to 3.6 (so far).. no sweat running orthos 24-7.....maybe i can get lucky and hit 4.0 =) but not so sure about that.
why use DDRAW on all these games which are ... 3D?
D3D would seem to fit much better with these 3D games.
Just curious if you see better performance... I'd imagine... Technically DDRAW isn't meant to be used to render 3D like that.
In fairness, I believe Aaron originally posted the 10ghz spec when people were struggling with Pentium 4's and Athlon's at less than 2 or 2.5 Ghz.
If anyone know how I can extract from mame a complete list of parent ROMs based on the driver they used let me know.Emuloader might be able to do this, depending on what you are looking for - also I think BuddaBing wrote a -listgen utility that would likely do a better job of that.
I was expecting to have to go back in and adjust the voltage, but I can't seem to make the voltage any lower than it already is (1.30 - 1.31V). It seems to be running fine, but most of the guides I've read have people trying to find the minimum stable voltage to minimize heat and I have no way of decreasing the value (only increasing).Generally, you raise the voltage to increase stability and lower it to reduce heat.
If anyone know how I can extract from mame a complete list of parent ROMs based on the driver they used let me know.Emuloader might be able to do this, depending on what you are looking for - also I think BuddaBing wrote a -listgen utility that would likely do a better job of that.
I wonder what the bench marks would be on linux 64
This is slightly off topic, but also slightly on topic. ;D
Last night I overclocked my E6750 from 2.66 Ghz to 3.2 Ghz. I simply adjusted the FSB to 400 Mhz and set the memory to 800Mhz for 1:1. I was expecting to have to go back in and adjust the voltage, but I can't seem to make the voltage any lower than it already is (1.30 - 1.31V). It seems to be running fine, but most of the guides I've read have people trying to find the minimum stable voltage to minimize heat and I have no way of decreasing the value (only increasing). ??? This is on an Abit IP35 Pro mobo.
Refurb HP a6152n, Core 2 Quad Q6600, 3GB, 400GB, Vista Premium, $550 + $12 shipped (Frys Online)
http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/778709/ (http://www.fatwallet.com/t/18/778709/)
Enjoy!!!!
If anyone know how I can extract from mame a complete list of parent ROMs based on the driver they used let me know.
thanks I'll check it out, I look for a way I can create a benchmark call file for a large number of roms without a lot of typing, if I can please a plain txt list, i can soon right a bit of code to format it into a batch file.I know EL can select only parent ROMS (and roms based on game CPU or driver, for that matter) and can export the selected games to a text file. I don't recall, but I think the text file might have:
If anyone know how I can extract from mame a complete list of parent ROMs based on the driver they used let me know.
If anyone know how I can extract from mame a complete list of parent ROMs based on the driver they used let me know.
Oh, and -listxml, too, but as is it's, umm, bulky. RomLister (http://www.waste.org/~winkles/ROMLister/) can convert the xml to a list, as well as sort out clones, and output a batch file to run games.
What's Tiny XP and where do I get it? Thanks.
Red
What is PM and where could I find a PM build?
I would like to compare my benchmarks with yours (scaled down to 2.4GHz).
Thanks.
Just read through this thread with great interest... very nice.
It's odd seeing all these great framerates. I have a 2ghz dual-core laptop (core duo, NOT core2duo mind you), running xp32 and MAME32. I realize I won't be able to even approach some of the stratospheric results I've been seeing from the likes of taz-nz, but still I did notice something weird: I checked "Multi-threaded rendering" and tried out every one of the games that have been tested in this thread (blitz2k, propcycl, etc). Result? 0% increase in all cases.
My 2nd core is turned on in the BIOS, so what gives? Weird. I'm probably going to upgrade to a Penryn laptop next year when Intel releases it, though in the meantime it would be nice to see at least SOME performance increase out of this old dog...
Shoegazer
Can anyone tell me what available switches are there while compiling with mingw and how do I specify them? I also have a PIII that I would like to use on my future cabinet and would like to test different builds on it.
I could not figure this out from the compiling instructions.
For those interested, most of the optimized versions are available online:
http://redump.emubase.de/mame.php (http://redump.emubase.de/mame.php)
Wonder if there's much differene between the P4 and PM version?
A recommendation for the futue is to run a fixed number of frames rather than a fixed number of seconds. The reason is that if someone wants to compare his benchmark to yours (if you care, anyway), and his/her computer is slower, that computer will run a shorter sequence of the game in 240sec so it will not be a 100% apples to apples comparison since some parts of the attract mode of a game are more taxing than others.
CPU | ROM | Driver | 0.119 | 0.120 | 0120u1 | 0120u2 | 0.120(64) | 0.120u2(64) | 0.120u3(64) |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | crusnusa | midvunit.c | 212.24% | 212.12% | 178.27% | 182.84% | n/a | 220.81% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | crusnusa | midvuint.c | 257.69% | 257.32% | 218.20% | 214.79% | 271.81% | 269.31% | 277.86% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 234.33% | 120.83% | 116.97% | 119.37% | n/a | 127.74% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | starblad | namcos21.c | 299.30% | 144.10% | 144.00% | 142.10% | 153.57% | 150.71% | 150.75% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 47.92% | 114.97% | 132.38% | 139.10% | n/a | 163.50% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gauntleg | vegas.c | 68.91% | 166.17% | 173.07% | 166.03% | 183.42% | 191.32% | 200.33% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 122.25% | 87.86% | 111.59% | 113.12% | n/a | 145.63% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | blitz | seattle.c | 153.43% | 138.59% | 143.28% | 136.99% | 164.15% | 185.35% | 172.56% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 86.18% | 87.22% | 89.09% | n/a | 120.89% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | daytona | model2.c | n/a | 106.17% | 106.43% | 104.94% | 142.72% | 140.42% | 141.41% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 60.36% | 79.34% | n/a | 97.97% | n/a | 79.57% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | gradius4 | hornet.c | 116.72% | 164.94% | n/a | 180.32% | 122.16% | 125.69% | 128.15% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 77.46% | 76.11% | 95.72% | 109.88% | n/a | 163.93% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | radikalb | gaelco3d.c | 94.25% | 93.97% | 116.77% | 129.44% | 150.07% | 200.22% | 196.07% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 65.56% | 64.73% | 90.77% | 92.37% | n/a | 147.79% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | ridgerac | namcos22.c | 80.00% | 79.54% | 114.89% | 112.44% | 106.77% | 194.55% | 177.79% |
| E6400 @ 3.4ghz | scud | model3.c | 34.41% | 32.91% | 33.00% | 33.88% | n/a | 28.48% | n/a |
| E6850 @ 4.0ghz | scud | model3.c | 41.21% | 39.60% | 39.56% | 38.93% | 33.81% | 33.89% | 30.36% |
I am a little frustrated.
I have tested i686, PM and P3 builds of MAME and they all yield virtually the same result, at least on the game I am benchmarking against which is Mace (it sucks, by the way).
Could I be missing something? Even the -mt parameter makes no difference and I did set osdprocessors=2.
I am using the same command line parameters as tar-nz on my Core 2 Duo e4300 overclocked to 2.4GHz. I would like to see the same kind of improvements (proportional to my processor speed) tar-nz saw with the PM build but it is not working for me.
Any pointers will be appreciated.
Hey guys could I get a couple of opinions I have stopped setting up my new quad until i get some good feedback used to video did not matter but now which video card would you guys use
1. pci-e arcadevga or I have a extra 8800 gts laying around.
My monitor is a betson I did some performance test & the 8800 just runs all over the arcadevga.
thanks for your help
dm
Is there a way to set the environment variable osdprocessor permanently in the registry or do we always have to set it before running mame to get the benefit?I would expect there to be a mame.ini file line for it, but haven't checked.
I didn't read this whole thread. Did anyone find Gauntlet Legends to be anymore playable with a good dual processor PC?
Is there a way to set the environment variable osdprocessor permanently in the registry or do we always have to set it before running mame to get the benefit?
Is there a way to set the environment variable osdprocessor permanently in the registry or do we always have to set it before running mame to get the benefit?
Yes.
Not sure about Vista, but XP: open Control Panel, Open System, click the Advanced tab, click the Environment Variables button, click New in the System Variables (lower half).
Let's clear up some misinformation:
1. You don't need to set OSDPROCESSORS, unless you are debugging a problem. By default, MAME detects the number of processors in your system and uses that. The default implementation should be good. Leave it alone.
2. The -mt switch does not affect the multicore 3D acceleration. The multicore 3D code is enabled always. The -mt switch merely controls whether or not MAME uses a second thread to manage windows and blitting. Generally if you have multiple cores, this is a good thing; however, it is not enabled by default, so you will need to enable it in your mame.ini.
3. "Quad rendering" has nothing to do with quad core. The quad rendering functions mentioned in the latest whatsnew refer to rendering a polygon with 4 vertices (called a "quad").
4. The 3D acceleration code scales well to 2 processors. Above 2 you get diminishing returns, and at some point it will start to get slower rather than faster.
Any plans to make this enabled by default, so one doesn't have to enable it in your mame.ini file? Thanks.At risk of stating the obvious, if he planned to, I think they would have, it's an easy enough change to make.
Hopefully then it will be set to Default on later versions.
how does using one of these builds in a frontend affect the bech results? examples mala or game ex
Any new bench results with mame 121?
So for all those of you wanting to build a preformance M.A.M.E. PC on a budget, I did a quick shopping list and then found some prices over at www.clubit.com (http://www.clubit.com) (There may be better and cheaper places out there, but they had the right gear at what looked like the right price)
| (http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A4830711_1.jpg) | GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R Rev. 2.0 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard Retail | $128.50 |
| (http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A1906716_1.jpg) | Cooler Master RR-CCH-LB12-GP Hyper 212 CPU Cooler | $33.99 |
| (http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A1938256_1.jpg) | Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 M0 Stepping Conroe 2.2GHz 2MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80557E4500 SLA95 | $123.50 |
| (http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A4330509_1.jpg) | CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 Dual Channel Kit Retail TWIN2X2048-6400 | $74.50 |
Taz-nz - thanks for all the helpful info in this thread. I'm really not looking to replace my MAME machine, but was curious why you picked some of the components you did (I understand the theory, but not all the requirements)., and my budget is much less than $360.
Is it important to use this particular board, or just a P35 board. For instance, Newegg has a Open box MSI P35-Neo2 FR (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130098R) for $65, or the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128059) for $90. Club-It also has similar (slightly better) prices on P35 boards.
(http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A4830711_1.jpg) GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3R Rev. 2.0 LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard Retail
I guess the cooler is pretty critical to stable overclocking, but $35 seems a bit high. I don't know of good alternates, though. I've like Arctic Cooling in the past (but that was on Athlon XP systems), and the new fanless towers (like Tuniq) look cool, but again not sure how they'd be for overclocking. Any idea how the stock Intel cooler would do?
(http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A1906716_1.jpg) Cooler Master RR-CCH-LB12-GP Hyper 212 CPU Cooler
How would the E2140, E2160, or E2180 compare with this processor - they are all 800 FSB parts and priced at $70-$90. (Also, some of these mention a particular "Stepping", but I don't know how this factors in.)
(http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A1938256_1.jpg) Intel Core 2 Duo E4500 M0 Stepping Conroe 2.2GHz 2MB L2 LGA 775 Processor Retail BX80557E4500 SLA95
I'm not sure 2GB is required for a MAME machine - Newegg and Club-It have 1GB DDR2-800 Cas 5 for $25-$35 and 2GB (matched pair) for $54. Would this be acceptable? Would DDR2-1066 offer any advantages?
(http://www.clubit.com/products/50x50/A4330509_1.jpg) CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2-800 CL 5-5-5-12 Dual Channel Kit Retail TWIN2X2048-6400
If the pieces above would work, you could knock $200 off the price above and put together a system for around $160 (65+70+25)
Thanks again for all your help!!!
Ok, i finally have my mame e6750 w/vista 64, 4 gig ram running on mame, 121.1, carnevil & mace run perfect, Gauntlet legends & blitz run good but they still have a slight sound jumping. Taz how does blitz run on your 6850, & 121 have you noticed a slowdown if so i may go back to v120. thanks for the help also i overclocked to 3.4
dm
Any new bench results with mame 121?
can you try a comparison to your regular benchmarks with the following in your Makefile ARCH= line ?
-march=nocona -mtune=nocona -minline-all-stringops -maccumulate-outgoing-args -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer
and perhaps even compare that to
-march=pentium-m -mtune=pentium-m -minline-all-stringops -maccumulate-outgoing-args -mmmx -msse -msse2 -msse3 -mfpmath=sse -funroll-loops -fomit-frame-pointer
but make sure you run dual channel no matter how much memory you run.Still true with XP? (I've read reviews that said dual-channel wasn't that important and was thinking of getting a single 1GB stick to keep some ram slots free - not sure the reviews were of dual-core systems, though).
Any half respectable DDR-800 ram will do just make sure it's compatible with the P35 chipset, there are a few Dimms out there that work great on the older Intel chipsets and with AM2 CPUs but are totally unstable withe P35 chipset.How can you tell? (Or do you just read tons of reviews?)
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but make sure you run dual channel no matter how much memory you run.
Still true with XP? (I've read reviews that said dual-channel wasn't that important and was thinking of getting a single 1GB stick to keep some ram slots free - not sure the reviews were of dual-core systems, though).
DDR2-800 is really cheap right now - I can understand you not upgrading, but it wouldn't make sense for me to buy less than that.You are absolutely right on this. I built my PC in April right around the middle of the price drop curve and they are dirt cheap right now so just go for the fastest you can afford although I would not pay too much extra for boutique memory with low timings.
Can you change both the multiplier and FSB on the C2D's or just the FSB or both but only up to the max. On AMD, usually you can only mess with the FSB b/c they are multiplier locked. For example, the E4500 is stock at 11x200 FSB, but Taz mentioned a 9x multiplier. Your E4300 is stock at 9x200FSB, but you said you had it at 3 Ghz, was that 10x300, or 9x333FSB? (Errmm - you said you're at 300FSB at 2.7 so that tells me you are running at 9x, but Taz said the E4500 was picked for the 9x multiplier, so I'm guessing maybe you can reduce the multiplier but not increase it?)Multiplier for Core 2 Duo's is locked if you are increasing so you will be limited by the stock multiplier. However, you can run a lower multiplier which is what some people do because they want to increase their FSB fo improve communication with the memory (for what it's worth) but they don't want their CPU speed beyond the point where they cannot control stability with their setup.
Also, can you run the memory bus independently of the CPU FSB or not (or does that vary from mobo to mobo)?In my motherboard, I can run the memory bus faster than the CPU bus but I don't know if I can running it slower. There is a limited selection of multipliers I can use to set this up in my motherboard. Maybe someone can pitch in with more info? I am not much of an overclocker.
The games I would mainly be interested in would beI will try to run this tonight when I get home or tomorrow if I can't get to it since I will have to find the games first.
SFrush
Cruisin'USA
SWTrilogy (not much chance)
RidgeRacer
and the like.
If you don't mind, I would like to see framerates at Stock clock (1.8 Mhz), 2.4 Ghz, 2.7 Ghz, and 3.0 Ghz, for the above games.
(I thought I would save you some work and just look at the MAME benchmarks site, but CrusnUSA is running at 69% with a 2133 Mhz Core2Solo/Duo and 101% with a 2033 Mhz Core2Solo/Duo both with 0.118, so ....)
I am running the Rosewill Z-3 coolers I have 3 of these & they work great, the artic cooler you are looking at is fine. But with the tags on it, it makes it a pain to install these coolers are not good for being used over & over. That is why I like the rosewill or similar they use a back plate w/screws & nuts. I am kicking around dumping my 6750 & going to the 6850 just for the extra performance. I also prefer Gigabyte motherboards I have 3 of the GA-P35-DS3L, these boards are tough & great overclockers.
dm
How does this effect MAME if you drop from dual channel to single channel, well very little at 500mhz (2000 FSB) DDR2-1000 with a E6850 with 4mb of cache like I'm running, about 2-3% across the board in fact as you can see in the benchmarks below.
The catch is that while MAME is basically CPU limited and doesn't appear to require huge memory bandwidth, these result are on my system and thus not the norm, the effect of dropping to only 6.4Gb/s memory bandwidth with a single DDR2-800 Dimm on say a E4*00 series with only 2mb CPU Cache will probably be much more noticeable that the effect of dropping to 8.0GB/s with 4mb of CPU cache on my system.
The info was useful indeed.
Taz is the man. I certainly was not meaning to diminish his comments in any way.
He obviously knows this stuff better than I do.
I've about decided how I want to tackle this is a stock E2xxx processor and cooler, either a P35 or 965 mobo (probably Gigabyte or Abit, maybe Asus, Asrock, or BioStar (are these okay?) (also on the 965, I assume I want P965 rather than G or Q since I won't have integrated graphics, but are there other disadvantages to a G965 or Q965?) also I saw FoxConn uses solid capacitors also - any opinions on them, one stick of 1G ram, and a cheap vid card (might need a new power supply also - recommmended brands? - I've used Fortron in the past).
Also just an FWIW note for those that have had their C2D machines for a while, I just opened my case after a year or so and used compressed air to blow out the dust that had accumulated on the heatsink/fan assemblage and it immediately dropped 10+ degrees under load. So be sure to keep your equipment clean so it can do its job. :)
Also just an FWIW note for those that have had their C2D machines for a while, I just opened my case after a year or so and used compressed air to blow out the dust that had accumulated on the heatsink/fan assemblage and it immediately dropped 10+ degrees under load. So be sure to keep your equipment clean so it can do its job. :)
I lot of my knowledge of effects of bandwidth on system preformance come from my P4 days, when I ran a 2.8ghz P4 northwood (512k cache) @ 3.5ghz 250mhz FSB with DDR-500 , that system was faster than a 3.6ghz P4 Prescott (2mb cache) with DDR-400, it was almost as fast as a 3.8ghz P4 Prescott. The extra cache memory in Prescott Core could not make up for the lack of system & memory bandwidth, the P4 Core simply needed more bandwidth to keep it work hard at high clock speeds. I also spend a lot time disigning Dual CPU Quad Core Xeon server setup for customers at work, these use a Quad Channel memory setup to supply enough memory bandwidth to keep 8 cores working hard.
Now not all of this knowledge directly applies to Core 2 Duo, but the basic rules still apply bandwidth matters it just depend of your setup how much. I'm just trying to get people to look at their system setups as a whole rather than just focusing on the CPU clock speed, the best preformance always comes from balanced systems.
I hope you get where I'm trying to come from.
i got my 6850 yesterday i will drop it in today & overclock to see how it does
dm
Watch yourself with the 965 chipset boards, there was much larger spread in overclockablity on these boards, the P35 chipset handle high FSBs better and the P35 boards tend to designed to handle those high FSBs better, there are some good 965 overclocking boards out there but you'll probably find you can pick up a P35 chipset board for about the same price. As for brand stick with Gigabyte of ASUS, I was a big fan of Abit up until about 2 years ago, and then they just seamed to loss it, Asrock & Biostar both make cheap rubbish stay away from them.Thanks Taz - I can find TheManuel's Abit 965 board open box for about $45, and other P35's for about $60 while the Gigabyte P35's are about $90 (and the Gigabyte 965's are more than that oddly). I suppose you get what you pay for to some extent, and I obviously don't replace my systems every six months so nickel-and-dimeing on the mobo doesn't seem like a good idea.
Power supply Cooler master makes some ok 460watt PSU at a good price, but you may not need anything that big depending on what other hardware you plan to run.I believe the current PS is a Fortron 300W (FSP300-60PN) but most of the reviews said it was actually closer to 350W given the specs on the rail ratings - (Thought it was a 350 until I checked the order history - guess it probably needs to go).
During the actual game, the FPS fluctuated between 40% and 80%. Not very playable.But a lot better than I'm getting. 8)
Ridgerac ran in the 30%, very slow.Hmmmmn, interesting that it's that much slower in-game than the benchmark indicates - not an encouraging sign.
I suppose you can enable framskip for some of these games and get by.Actually, I don't think you can - I don't remember the actual page, but I think it was on Aaron Giles website when people were complaining about slow speeds in Cruisin. Aaron said that frameskipping helped in 2D games (like say Tiger-Heli or Striker1945 when the game had to calculate and draw the whole frame. I crusin, where you are drawing in 3D, Aaron said the game still runs all the calculations and then just doesn't draw them - so you don't get a speed increase and just get choppier video. (That's probably not 100% technically accurate, but that's the basic concept).
What you can probably do is go into the cheat menu and UNDERclock (I used to know why it was under and not over) the game CPU's and increase performance, but that sometimes messes up the audio. (Or do like Taz and buy a 5Ghz CPU - just kidding :laugh2:)
Are there any mame benchmarks to suggests that a quad core processor is faster/slow/same as a core 2 duo processor? And, when I say quad, I don't mean the $500+ processors out there. I referring to something that could be purchased for not much more than a core 2 duo... in the $200-300 range.
Thanks,
JD
Just a heads up Mame Compiler 64 has been released in the Software forum. This should make it easier to compile custom 64bit versions of Mame with optimizations for your CPU. So it might be worthwhile taking a look and doing some more tests for Mame64 if you don't know how to compile 64bt Mame already.
Just a heads up Mame Compiler 64 has been released in the Software forum. This should make it easier to compile custom 64bit versions of Mame with optimizations for your CPU. So it might be worthwhile taking a look and doing some more tests for Mame64 if you don't know how to compile 64bt Mame already.
Very impressize performance Taz, you are really doing us an awesome service here. I've been looking at the Quad core for experimental purposes, see what's possible there, even if it's not in the same league it'd be interesting to see how the architecture works at least.
Those results are pretty amazing taz! I got myself an E8400 recently but havn't had a chance to overclock it yet.
I have a overclocked e6850 & the chd's overall run very good but gauntlet legends still needs a computer with about 15% more legs than mine has...maybe one of the newer cpus would work
dm
Got my e8400 on the way, I'll be loading gauntlet first. I'll let you know in a week when its all up and running.
Got my e8400 on the way, I'll be loading gauntlet first. I'll let you know in a week when its all up and running.
Good luck with it, they are a great CPUs, just watch out for those crazy core tempature values, stick to the lastest version of CoreTemp and don't be suprised if one of the Core temps is stuck in the 40s.
Thanks for the awesome thread and all the hard work. I expect to push it to around 3.6 from what I read, and because of the fact I ordered ddr2 800 it may be a bit difficult to overclock to around 4ghz on fsb and voltage/timing ocing alone, I will probably be back for more advice (in another thread) on the ocing of the board and any advice you may have. Thanks again and I'll be lurking this for a while ;D
DM, I know you have some AMD x2 rigs - have you tried ocing your rigs, and do they do well with mame? I have a 4800+ for my mame rig.
I must admit I'm a little hessitant to do this now judging by the explaination there taz lol.
I have an Asus P5KR motherboard, E8400 @ 3Ghz, 2xPC5300 1 GB (which I believe is 667 Mhz).
I have the ASUS overclocking software AISuite installed and I'm staring at the screen. I really can't afford to screw this PC up, just how risky is overclocking? I have reasonable air cooling but I run this PC 24/7. If I overclock can I run it like that all the time or should I only do it for when I need the extra speed?
Here is a screenshot I took of AISuite. What temperatures should I be expecting and what temps should I be worried about?
If done right and with a little luck it will be nice and stable at these settings, now you need to torture test your CPU with something like Orthos, to take it to 100% load and hold it there for hours, I suggest at least 10 hours for you final test with the PC house as it will be in operation. Keep an eye on the CPU tempature and make sure it stays within safe limits anything up to 65 degs C is ok, over that is getting hot, and if it gets to 80 Deg C it will more than likely lockup before it can do any real harm, you really want it in the 20-30s at idle and in the 40s to low 50s at full noise. If it pass that it should be ready to use, it you want to further test it warm up the room tempature to that of a hot summers day and test it again for 24 hours, if it pass that you good to go.
Then all your've got to do is have fun.
Make sure your BIOS and Drivers are up to date before you start, I suggest using CPUz to get Live actual CPU speed & voltage information, the lastest CoreTemp is you best bet for watching CPU core temps, Orthos does a great job of stress you CPU & RAM to in limits (use blend test) and Windows task manager will confirm your CPU is at 100% load on all cores.
Just take your time, and test each new setup with orthos as you go.
I must admit I'm a little hessitant to do this now judging by the explaination there taz lol.
I have an Asus P5KR motherboard, E8400 @ 3Ghz, 2xPC5300 1 GB (which I believe is 667 Mhz).
I have the ASUS overclocking software AISuite installed and I'm staring at the screen. I really can't afford to screw this PC up, just how risky is overclocking? I have reasonable air cooling but I run this PC 24/7. If I overclock can I run it like that all the time or should I only do it for when I need the extra speed?
Here is a screenshot I took of AISuite. What temperatures should I be expecting and what temps should I be worried about?
Taz is a better overclocker than I am, but unless he disagrees I prefer to overclock from the bios, a rule of thumb for me is 25% overclock then I usually just call it good.
dm
DM, I know you have some AMD x2 rigs - have you tried ocing your rigs, and do they do well with mame? I have a 4800+ for my mame rig.
I have the ASUS overclocking software AISuite installed and I'm staring at the screen. I really can't afford to screw this PC up, just how risky is overclocking? I have reasonable air cooling but I run this PC 24/7. If I overclock can I run it like that all the time or should I only do it for when I need the extra speed?HK - I ended up not spending the money on a new rig - but in your case, I really like the advice The Manuel posted on Page 3 (at the bottom) of this thread:
So sweet!!!!!!! Got the processor in the mail today, and built the machine. The processor came in at 3ghz on first boot, I updated the bios and did a burn in. After some tweaking I got this up to 4ghz. The e8400 is amazing. If you don't have a newer processor yet, you have to buy this. To Taz - You helped a lot with the timings and the ocing. K back to the burn in. Ill let ya know in the morning how it all turned out.
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Quick question why is the 8400 cheaper than the E6850 on newegg.
Quick question why is the 8400 cheaper than the E6850 on newegg.
'Cause it's "Out Of Stock", so you can't buy it anyway? ;D
Quick question why is the 8400 cheaper than the E6850 on newegg.
Warning Geek stuff!!
On a side note, is there any advantage from running mame via xp64 over xp32, othen then ram addressing? I have looked all over and have found to actual in depth explanation. Am I just holding my awesome proc back because of my os?
Ok, Im sorry, asked a question you allready answered like 4 times in this thread
On a side note, is there any advantage from running mame via xp64 over xp32, othen then ram addressing? I have looked all over and have found to actual in depth explanation. Am I just holding my awesome proc back because of my os?
Oh boy, I just set this whole machine up using xp32, and now I need to dump all the data I have onto another machine to load vista. I am so against vista and all I have ever seen/read about it has been, its slow slow slow slow. Do you know if they make tinyVista64?
Alright Guys...
I have a 3.0ghz E2140 running Winxp Pro. 1gb ddr2 ram
I am using MameUI (32 bit version)
Is that not enough oomph to rung gauntlet Legends / NFL Blitz? :angry:
Do I need to change to another OS?? Where can I get a build that is optimized for
our Dual Core Intel Procs?
Thanks,
Travis
???
*on a side note, has anyone in the community thought to build a program similar to 3d mark that benches your system and automates frame rate tracking based on the most troublesome mame games? I'd love to help, but I don't know if I have the patience to sit and test every beefy game.
I see that there are big increases with running 64bit mame under 64bit vista. What about 64bit mame under 64bit xp has anybody tried that?
I'm guessing that these benchmarks don't take into account the speed decrease for ingame as compared to attract mode. In most 3d games I have noticed anywhere up to 50% decrease in speed during ingame gameplay.
I see that there are big increases with running 64bit mame under 64bit vista. What about 64bit mame under 64bit xp has anybody tried that?
I'm curious how vista sp1 will affect performance, in reading I have seen statements of upwards 25% performance boost, should be interesting how this works out.
Hello,I was wondering how a a system with two xeon 64bit 3.4GHZ with 2mb l2 cache and 800 mhz front side bus with ddr2 2gb sdram 400mhz would compare to some of the systems that you guys have tested. My buddy is selling this and I would like to use it for my mame cab but this is a first for me and this seems like the only place where people have any knowledge on this subject. Thanks. Would hate to throw away money for system when taz has posted how to build one comparable to his =)
I was hoping that wasn't going to be your answer ;), but at that using that chip would your 2nd page posting be the ideal setup to achieve your overclocking (which is a whole other topic in itself =)) or would you recommend anything else. I was looking at:
Intel® Core 2 Duo Processor E8400
Crucial 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) Dual Channel Kit Memory - Retail (5-5-5-15)
GIGABYTE GA-EP35-DS3R LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX
Antec NeoPower 650 650W Power Supply
ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
Looking foward to matching your benchmarks ;)
thanks..
| Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0ghz (333*9 stock) | $249.99 | |
| XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 CPU Cooler | $36.99 | |
| Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound | $5.99 | |
| GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Motherboard | $89.99 | Open box avaliable for $20 less |
| Transcend AxeRAM 2GB | $79.99 | |
| GIGABYTE GV-RX24T256H Radeon HD 2400XT | $46.99 | |
| SILVERSTONE ST350 350W Power supply | $39.99 | |
Total: | $547.93 |
My current recommendation for minium specs are below, all items are available for Newegg and prices quoted are from there. ( I whipped this up the other day for another fourm member)
Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 3.0ghz (333*9 stock) $249.99 XIGMATEK HDT-S1283 CPU Cooler $36.99 Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound $5.99 GIGABYTE GA-P35-DS3L Motherboard $89.99 Open box avaliable for $20 less Transcend AxeRAM 2GB $79.99 GIGABYTE GV-RX24T256H Radeon HD 2400XT $46.99 SILVERSTONE ST350 350W Power supply $39.99 $547.93
You could go cheaper by going to G.Skill F2-8500CL5D-2GBPK Ram and a MSI RX1550-TD128EH Radeon X1550 graphics card, doing this and getting an open box motherboard will get you below $500.
The 350watt PSU is smaller than I would normally suggest, but as long as your only planning on one hdd a DVD-Rom it should be ok, It's a good brand and it's specs look better that a lot of cheap 500w PSUs out there.
The larger PSU will not hurt, and I highly recommend it if you going to be running any more powerful than an entry level graphics card, I chose the ati 2400xt because of it very low power usage.
If your going to go for the P35-DS3R get the P35-DS3P instead, it's the same board with better cooling and you can get one in an open boxed one for $109.
The only thing on you list I really don't like is the heatsink, they aren't bad heatsinks but it's not good enough for extreme overclocking. I suggest the one list above or the COOLER MASTER RR-CCH-LB12-GP (hyper 212)
hah, thanks taz. I was placing the order and not only can you not find the 8400 because newegg actually deactived the item, it is sold out everywhere on the net. Good luck trying to find that chip anytime soon =). well guessi will ust have to wait for a bit. thanks again.
Is the E6750 a viable alternative? I've heard some people being able to OC close to 4ghz.
But I have no idea how to benchmark so if someone could kindly point the way I am more than willing to spend the time and post some results.
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In addition to how do I benchmark, what 64 bit version of Mame should I compile to run the tests?
If the 2nd core is only accountable for ~5% increase, could a P4 or Pentium D at 3.2 - 4ghz, not provide the same results,within the 5%?
If the 2nd core is only accountable for ~5% increase, could a P4 or Pentium D at 3.2 - 4ghz, not provide the same results,within the 5%?
The E8400 OEM's are back in stock and I plan on ordering and overclocking a machine based on Taz's recommendations. I don't currently have a case. Can someone make a recommendation here on what features I should look for?
The E8400 OEM's are back in stock and I plan on ordering and overclocking a machine based on Taz's recommendations. I don't currently have a case. Can someone make a recommendation here on what features I should look for?
The Coolermaster Centurion 5 is a good option and can be had fairly cheap, there is a version that comes with a 460w power suplly that is passable for the kind of hardware your likely to have in a MAME box.
There are plenty of other good cases out there, anything with good front to back airflow will do, avoid cases with doors, solid face plates, or that have dozens of fans pointed in random directions.
new question then :)
Fry's has a combo deal on an E6550 and motherboard.
I have a 6600/gigabyte in my desktop computer. I was gonna throw the 6550 on my desktop and use the 6600 (they clock better)
Is a 6600 at 3.4ish going to be powerful enough for jumping the gap anyways.. or am I wasting my time overclocking it since its not at the 4ghz mark anyways and probably wont do the blitz type stuff anyways.. should I just leave the 6550 at stock speeds.
The combo is 149.99 so its a pretty solid deal and helps keep it on a slight budget.
Thx!
3.4ghz will get you in the ball park, but you will still have issues with some of the most demanding ROMs. I'd give it a try, with the right cooling and a little luck you may be able to get it to 3.6ghz, every little bit helps.
Any idea what Intel's plans are for later this year? Are dual core processors in 40nm expected to exceed 3GHz or is this the limit of the technology?
I'm still trying to decide if I should jump on the E8400 or wait until later in the year. Seems like the E8400 at 4GHz is just about working at the threshold where the late 90s driving games become playable.
I there Taz, looking for some help in upgrading my MAME cabinet.
I'll upgrade to a C2D or CQuad, but I've an AGP ArcadeVGA, which is a downall as i have to stick to AGP motherboards. The one that best suites my needs is this one http://www.asrock.com/mb/cpu.asp?Model=4CoreDual-SATA2%20R2.0
From the list, which Processor would you recommend, apart form the xtrm ones ($$$ ;D$$$). The other downfall is a maximum 667 MHz DDR2 :banghead: :banghead:. How far can i go OC wise?
:cheers:
I'm a ways off from purchasing the computer for my cab (a month or so), but I was wondering how Soulcalibur was running with your setup.
I'm busy moving house so the short answer is forget it, just sell the AGP ArcadeVGA I'm sure someone here will pay you a far price for it. The Asrock board is going to limit your options no end, Asrock is the last brand I'd recommend anyone use, and the via chipset just isn't going to overclock well. Cut your losses and do it right the first time, it will save you money in the long run.
Wow this is the best thread relating to mame hardware ever! The benchmarking is such a awsome idea.ok well im not worried about playing the 3d games but i want to be able to run all the neogeo titles,mortal kombat up to 3 , killerinstint 1 and 2 and also sf third strike will a e2220 2.4ghz duelcore 1mb cache run them in a 32bit build?
Also isit posible to save more than 1 set of settings in the bios as i dont plan on overclocking 24/7 and dont want to manuly configure it every time i want an oc.From TheManuel on the bottom of Page 3 of the thread:
Finally, to extend the life of the processor, I set my power scheme to laptop/portable so that EIST kicks in and the CPU multiplier is knocked down to 6X form 9X while the computer is idle or doing light duty like browsing the web or playing pacman :-) but immediately goes to full throttle when more processing power is required. As a result, my 2.7GHz is running at 1.8GHz most of the time which happens to be the stock speed.
Sweet! After reading this thread properly start to finish im considering going for the e8400 now if i do go for it the best mobo i can afford will be the gigabyte ga-p31-ds3l my friend has this mobo and it overclocked his e6750 to 3.6ghz will it be up to the job of doing a e8400 to 4ghz.As Taz mentioned earlier on this thread, the P35 chipset is one of the best out there, I think for a little more money you should get a P35 Mobo. I'll get the Gigabyte GA-EP35C-DS3R it has improved OC capabilities, and supports DDR II and DDR III :applaud: The P35 is widely considered one of the best Chipsets to OC, at least until P45 comes out.
New batch of benchmarks for .125.4 on various C2D's Conroe and Wolfdale + some sad AMDs. :)
I'll be dropping in an E8400 shortly to my workforce 3.5Ghz E6400 to last me till Nehalem and will post some new benches then.
http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm
link=topic=72776.msg854893#msg854893
Sadly the latest version of Mame w/ the debugger rolled in has impacted high end games vs .125u6, but I've been keeping Aaron and RB in the loop. :)
I'm running xp64. Does anyone know if there is a difference in performance between running xp 64 as compared to vista 64?
lettuce - what board and heatsink are you using with your e7200? I have a cheap ecs board and stock fan, and I can't do much with it.
My head is about to explode.... I've just read every message from beginning to end....
With that said/written, I would REALLY like the opinion of all of you guys (and taz the mame oc champ himself) on a used computer I may be buying. The cost of the sum of the parts is greater than what he's asking for. So even though this isn't the optimum setup with an E8500, 64bit vista, nice memory, cooling, etc.
What sort of overclocking do you guys expect that I'd be able to get off of this? ...and how well do you think this will run v.126 out of the gate? Finally, how much of an improvement (rough %) do you think this will be over my current Pentium4 2.53ghz? tons appreciated!
- Gigabyte GA-G31M-S2L LGA 775 mATX Motherboard
- Intel Core 2 Duo e6300 1.86GHz Processor
- Crucial Ballstix 2x1GB PC-6400 800MHz DDR2 RAM in Dual Channel
- Sapphire Radeon X700 Pro 256MB PCI-E Video Card
- Antec NSK4480 Mid Tower Case w/380W Antec Earthwatts PSU
- Cooler Master Rifle Bearing CPU Fan
- Antec 120MM TriCool Rear Case Exhast Fan
thanks again!
Can someone post new percentages for v0.126 32bit and 64bit for the games you guys have been doing (mainly taz)? thanks!
I understand that v0.126 may have taken a performance hit recently b/c of debugging.
Hey everyone. First, here are some percentages for 6 games of varying run speeds. My preference is if you guys can help me figure out what's wrong with my configuration or confirm what I'm experiencing is normal (hopefully not).
mame-v126.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 100 -nothrottle -nosleep -video ddraw -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt
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CPU ------------------ Pentium4 E6300 E6300 E6300 E6300
Clockspeed ----------- 2.53 2.45 2.45 2.45 2.45
OS Used -------------- XP32 XP32 Vista64 XP64 XP64
MAME executable ------ 32bit 32bit 64bit 32bit 64bit
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Killer Instinct 2 - 143.2% 312.7% 365.7% 240.6% 276.7%
Cruisin USA - 55.4% 131.9% 139.8% 96.6% 108.2%
Gauntlet Legends - 30.1% 92.7% 107.6% 72.1% 82.8%
Blitz 2k - 27.9% 89.0% 101.9% 64.1% 72.8%
Gradius 4 - 19.2% 66.1% 75.4% 49.4% 58.7%
Starblade - 37.3% 89.3% 83.6% 68.8% 64.2%
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...bunch of problems deleted...
I ran these tests with 100 seconds but can do 240 as some of the more recent posts have been but it's the relative percentages to each other that I'm concerned about mostly. Thanks everyone in advance.... you're my only hope.
I understand that v0.126 may have taken a performance hit recently b/c of debugging.
ask and you will receive: (I included Direct3D preformance number aswell since MAME defaultly output via D3D)
Core 2 Duo E8500 (engineering sample) @ 4.4ghz Vista Ultimate 64bit SP1, MAMEUI 64bit v1.26u3
DDRaw command line:
mameui64.exe -noautoframeskip -frameskip 0 -seconds_to_run 240 -nothrottle -nosleep -video ddraw -skip_gameinfo -effect none -nowaitvsync -noreadconfig -mt [Rom Name]
Perhaps you're not using a version of Mame that has the SH-2 DRC in it.
http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm
So I finally got around to try and setup MAME.
But have yet to put together a PC for it.
I have some older attributes laying around what I am planning to use:
AMD X2 4800+
Nvidia 7900GT
2gig ram
250gig harddisk
I just wanted to know what can I expect from this setup, I really want to make it work with this processor. Maybe you guys can give me some help or better suggestions.
Well it's going to be my first setup for it so should be good with the classic 2D things. Mostly doing it for the King of Fighters serie.
Havent really gotten the change to work out on the 3D games :(
And did hear about windows 32 bit en 64bit differences but does it really matter?
So I finally got around to try and setup MAME.
But have yet to put together a PC for it.
I have some older attributes laying around what I am planning to use:
AMD X2 4800+
Nvidia 7900GT
2gig ram
250gig harddisk
Just about anything 3D requires a CORE2DUO processor. You're not going to be happy with ANYTHING AMD produces, period. If you want to play Blitz, the racers, 3d fighters, etc... you're looking at a CORE2DUO.
Are E7300's hitting 4GHZ easily these days?
Welp, we'll find out...cuz I just bought everything you recommended up there...
The plan is to upgrade the horizontal MAME with this computer, then take the AMD64 3200+ currently in the MAME and use it for the dedicated driver I will be working on shortly...
This was in the "Whats New" text document for MAME .0128
Source Changes
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Added new tool ldresample to assist in resynchronizing audio tracks in
a CHD with frames. Currently still WIP but useful if you know what
you're doing. [Aaron Giles]
Does anyone know how to use the new ldresample tool, or where I could find directions to?
Well I actually found a way to get the sound synced in sfrush, its kind of a flukey way. Thanks for responding though, I know this isn't the place to talk about this.
Alright....I have everything up and running...and my CPU overclocks to 3700mhz with a simply bump of the vcore to 1.3 and FSB to 370. Anything after that and I lose stability. What other settings should I be looking at to get it to 4,000mhz? This board has a bunch of voltage settings I am not used to. Do I need to mess with any of them? Should I mess with any of the memory settings?
On Nehalem - keep in mind MAME now supports a lot of multi-threading which is one of the reasons C2D outperforms AMD on it.
Keep in mind also that eventually most of the Dev Team will likely upgrade to C2D or Nehalem, so it is in their interest to capitalize on its enhancements.
So while 0.120 might not run much better on it, 0.150 certainly could.
This is quite the informative thread. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether the Nehalem architecture that Intel will be manufacturing next year will provide a substantial leap over the Core 2 in MAME? My initial thoughts are that it won't be substantial, but I am not really in the know... just speculating.
Any other opinions on all this?
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Just gave it a try and I got about a 5% increase on Blitz.
Sweet thanks for the tip it worked great. It's a whole new game playing it with the sounds right on cue. The cpu really struggles on track 3 because there's a lot more detail than track 1. If Mame came with netplay I wonder if Rush the Rock could see those settings and somehow work, I doubt it but I am just throwing out ideas.There is a misunderstanding here - Netplay enables you to play MAME head-to-head on separate computers over a connected network.
Anyone with a high end system tried Firefox yet? It works on my AMD Sempron, but stutters a bit.
(Might be time to finally come back into the Intel fold, after a four year hiatus...)
Anyone with a high end system tried Firefox yet? It works on my AMD Sempron, but stutters a bit.
(Might be time to finally come back into the Intel fold, after a four year hiatus...)
I've tried it on my P4 3.0 GHz and it runs fine, although I had read somewhere else that it would take a dual core for MAME to run the laserdisc games well.
Anyone with a high end system tried Firefox yet? It works on my AMD Sempron, but stutters a bit.
(Might be time to finally come back into the Intel fold, after a four year hiatus...)
I've tried it on my P4 3.0 GHz and it runs fine, although I had read somewhere else that it would take a dual core for MAME to run the laserdisc games well.
Did you hear dual core, or Core 2TM? Huge difference between the two.
Not that it really matters; that must have been incorrectly deduced from Cube Quest benchmarks. Cube Quest, the first laserdisk added to mame, is thought to be the most CPU intense laserdisk game, emulation-wise, and according to johnIV's benchmarks (http://mameui.classicgaming.gamespy.com/Bench.htm), a 3.0 GHz Core2TM emulates it easy, and that the harddrive speed is a major factor. Anyway, all other laserdisk games are thought to need less CPU power than Cube Quest, so trying to guess how much CPU they'll need from CQ numbers isn't well founded. I'm not surprised that a 3 Ghz P4 can run firefox.
FWIW, what harddrive are you using? 7200 rpm? (I'm checking if firefox is as HD limited as CQ.)
Anyone with a high end system tried Firefox yet? It works on my AMD Sempron, but stutters a bit.
I forget, does firefox runon .127 or does it require .128 or higher. May attempt this week.
Thanks for the reply. I need to cool it down some; what is the best cooler at the moment? It is stable but hot right now. I ran orthos for an hour but stopped it because I didn't want to run it that hot for too long. It was actually at 72c. I don't mind buying a new cooler, but I don't want to buy another mediocre one.
Has anyone tested the e7300 yet? Is there any chance it could outclock an e8400 since it has the 10x multiplier? I just put a PC together using one for my girlfriend which is not going to be overclocked, and I don't want the chip to go to waste if it is better. At the same time, I don't want her to complain about me tearing here computer apart if it won't do me any good. ;)
Has anyone done any testing with the Windows-7 64-bit beta? By every account I've been able to find, Windows-7 is less resource intensive and faster than vista, and it seems the fastest emulation so far is using 64-bit vista. So I'm wondering if the smaller OS footprint might translate to larger framerates in emulation? I'm running it now and it's definitely faster on my machine than vista, but my processor isn't fast enough to do anything high-end with emulation, so it's not really worth me testing.
--Just wondering.
Are there any plans for an Intel i-7 mame compile? Curious to see benchmarks with new chip.
Are there any plans for an Intel i-7 mame compile? Curious to see benchmarks with new chip.
I'm still working on the e8400 overclock. It looks stable at 3.9GHz right now. I am testing it with Intelburntest. Have any of you tried it? It jacks the temp up 10c higher than Orthos does. I am still having a cooling problem. It was maxing out at 60c with Orthos, but it hit 70c once using IBT. It is mostly at 66-67, I just saw the 70 for a few seconds. I put the Core Contact Freezer on and it helped a bit, about 8c I think. I had to use the mount from my Zalman, so that probably didn't help much. The clip was hanging up on the NB heatsink on the EP45-DS3L. This mount isn't as tight as I would like, even after I shoved a washer in there. Has anyone else tried to use this cooler on this board?
MAMEUI 64bit v0.129 on Windows 7 Beta 64bit benchmark results: Core 2 Duo E8500 @ 4ghz
Rom WIndows 7 (Beta) Vista SP1
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Can anyone run these tests with one of the new Atom 330 processors? I am more curious how they compare to a standard Core 2 Duo than a massively overclocked one, but any comparison would be great to see.
This might be a dumb question but when you buy a case aby itself, does it come with the screws needed to mount the MB or do you have to get that separately?
Also Taz is the case really important in the OC pursuits? I don't care what they look like since it will be put in the cab, but BECAUSE it is being put in the cab is there a preferred one to use in consideration of the air flow etc...?
1. A Core2Quad Q8300 and a Core2Duo E8500 are currently the same price. Which would be my best choice assuming I will be Over Clocking it to 4 ghz?
2. Will either of these processors give me nice playable speeds for most CHD games with WinXP32?
3. If not, is the Core2Quad/Duo compatible with WindowsXP 64? If I need to go to a 64bit OS I would strongly prefer XP but It does not list those processors as supported as far as I can see.
4. A bunch of CPU coolers are mentioned in this post, which one do you currently think would be my best choice?
1. A Core2Quad Q8300 and a Core2Duo E8500 are currently the same price. Which would be my best choice assuming I will be Over Clocking it to 4 ghz?
The E0 stepping E8500 is easy overclock to 4ghz and will hit 4.5ghz with the right setup, on the other hand the your pushing it to get Q8300 to 4ghz due to low 7.5x multiplier and it's low binning.2. Will either of these processors give me nice playable speeds for most CHD games with WinXP32?
You are lossing a lot of preformance running 32bit MAME in WinXP 32bit, on the order of 20% compaired with 64bit, I suggest trying a 64bit OS before you exclude the idea, compatiblity is not really an issue unless the software your running is only 16bit (in which case it will not work), lack of lightgun support is the only real drawback to 64bit OS.3. If not, is the Core2Quad/Duo compatible with WindowsXP 64? If I need to go to a 64bit OS I would strongly prefer XP but It does not list those processors as supported as far as I can see.
You will have no issue running WinXP 64bit on any of the Core2 family. XP 64bit pre-dates the Core2Duo release, thus they are not listed.
I will warn you though that Windows XP 64bit has atiny install base and thus it's well supported, Vista 64bit on the other hand is getting more and more popular, and is very well supported now.4. A bunch of CPU coolers are mentioned in this post, which one do you currently think would be my best choice?
The Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer offers great value for money, but if you want to go all out get a Thermalright True Black 120 and a couple of Scythe SFF21F 1600rpm fans.
Well, my cab is now finished with the exception of the PC. Anybody got any CPU/motherboard reccomendations? Like jombee above, I'm looking at the E8500 CPU. What's a good mother board to go with this processor? I'm planning on overclocking to 4Ghz or higher. I'm also going to need a good video card that will let me play modern PC games like the upcoming Street Fighter IV. The motherboard will be mounted inside the cabinet instead of a case. What about a beefy power supply? Any particular model?
I've been out of the PC building scene for a while since I started using Mac's. The last time I built a PC was during the Pentium 3 years. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Well, my cab is now finished with the exception of the PC. Anybody got any CPU/motherboard reccomendations? Like jombee above, I'm looking at the E8500 CPU. What's a good mother board to go with this processor? I'm planning on overclocking to 4Ghz or higher. I'm also going to need a good video card that will let me play modern PC games like the upcoming Street Fighter IV. The motherboard will be mounted inside the cabinet instead of a case. What about a beefy power supply? Any particular model?
I've been out of the PC building scene for a while since I started using Mac's. The last time I built a PC was during the Pentium 3 years. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Well, my cab is now finished with the exception of the PC. Anybody got any CPU/motherboard reccomendations? Like jombee above, I'm looking at the E8500 CPU. What's a good mother board to go with this processor? I'm planning on overclocking to 4Ghz or higher. I'm also going to need a good video card that will let me play modern PC games like the upcoming Street Fighter IV. The motherboard will be mounted inside the cabinet instead of a case. What about a beefy power supply? Any particular model?
I've been out of the PC building scene for a while since I started using Mac's. The last time I built a PC was during the Pentium 3 years. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
To get most out of your E8500 i suggest a Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3R (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128359), I'm not a fan of the dual memory type GA-EP45C-UD3R that jombee suggested, the single memory type boards tend to be more stable, my abvice is stick to DDR2 for a Core2 , leave DDR3 to the Core i7.
Graphics card wise it depends on what you want to spend, but currently for PC gaming I'd suggest either a ATI Radeon HD4870 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125256) or HD4870x2 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125233).
Power supply, it depends which graphics card you go with and what else you plan to have in the system, but a good brand name (Seasonic, Enermax or similar)600w for the HD4870 and at least a 750w for a system with a HD4870x2.
Well, my cab is now finished with the exception of the PC. Anybody got any CPU/motherboard reccomendations? Like jombee above, I'm looking at the E8500 CPU. What's a good mother board to go with this processor? I'm planning on overclocking to 4Ghz or higher. I'm also going to need a good video card that will let me play modern PC games like the upcoming Street Fighter IV. The motherboard will be mounted inside the cabinet instead of a case. What about a beefy power supply? Any particular model?
I've been out of the PC building scene for a while since I started using Mac's. The last time I built a PC was during the Pentium 3 years. So any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Any particular CPU cooler I should look at?
The Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer offers great value for money, but if you want to go all out get a Thermalright True Black 120 and a couple of Scythe SFF21F 1600rpm fans.
I got this emailed from Tiger Direct today:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=4492004&sku=B69-0029&SRCCODE=WEM1865CU&cm_mmc=Email-_-Main-_-WEM1865-_-barebone
I run my E8500 at 4250 MHz (8.5 x 500) with 1.38 vcore, I hear they are safe up to 1.45 vcore for everyday use. At this speed I've tested orthos, prime95, and memtest for over 2 hours each. I can even run at 4500 MHz but it starts to run hot in orthos. I'm using a Zalman 8700 NT heatsink, which is probably holding me back a little.
That auction on ebay, if you dont care about a fancy case or a bleeding edge video card, or a 1TB hard drive, you could probably put that same system together for like $700.
I'd love to be able to play Blitz and NBA Showtime on my machine. Has anyone test NBA Showtime? I assume it will run just fine though.
I recently upgraded my Motheboard, and I am really considering getting a new CPU and anything else I need so I can play Blitz and NBA Showtime. I am a noob when it comes to Overclocking, so below are my machine specs. I am hoping someone can tell me if this can be done and what I'll need.
My Motherboard: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=G31M3-F&class=mb (http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=G31M3-F&class=mb)
RAM: http://www.directron.com/kvr667d2n5k22g.html (http://www.directron.com/kvr667d2n5k22g.html)
PS: http://www.directron.com/w0070ruc.html (http://www.directron.com/w0070ruc.html)
I was looking to get the following CPU: http://www.directron.com/bx80570e8400a.html (http://www.directron.com/bx80570e8400a.html)
I only have the generic heatsink/fan, so I assume I would need something better? What do you suggest I get?
Will I be able to do this with my machine?
Mame doesnt use any 3d acceleration, so even base level cards will work fine.
The deal with the onboard video is that it creates problems when overclocking, not that it is insufficient for Mame.
Wrong, and has been wrong since 0.107. Mame does use 3d acceleration, just not for game emulation. Scaling res, scaling color depth, rotating screen image, overlay & artwork, scanlines, and other video stuff are all done in the 3d card now.
@uprightbass360
How far into the game were you able to get before it locked up? Did it lock up every time you played(in the same spot)?
Sounds like it might be an issue with the ROM itself........Has anyone else tried playing NBA Showtime?
Wrong, and has been wrong since 0.107. Mame does use 3d acceleration, just not for game emulation. Scaling res, scaling color depth, rotating screen image, overlay & artwork, scanlines, and other video stuff are all done in the 3d card now.
Well ok, but any direct3d/ddraw card should be able to to handle those, you dont need a beefy GPU for that, that was my point.
Its not like Dreamcast, N64, PSX or PS2 emulation, where your GPU is likely to be a bottleneck.
Would any of these bundles be good for overclocking and making a nice MAME macine?
Upgrade arrived!
Core voltage is 1.280v.
Hey peoples. I got myself a couple of goodies for my new MAME rig..
Core 2 Duo E8400
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R rev2.1
Gskill 2 Gig 800Mhz (might get 2 gig of 1066Mhz cuz I stole this from my main PC)
8500GT PCIe
My question is 1: will the 8500GT be ok? It should be right? I'll overclock the CPU to 4GHz so...? And 2: is 800Mhz ram ok cuz I'll just try and keep it at stock speed so as not to disrupt the overclock. My aim is to play all the MAME games that work at the moment..
Hey peoples. I got myself a couple of goodies for my new MAME rig..
Core 2 Duo E8400
Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R rev2.1
Gskill 2 Gig 800Mhz (might get 2 gig of 1066Mhz cuz I stole this from my main PC)
8500GT PCIe
My question is 1: will the 8500GT be ok? It should be right? I'll overclock the CPU to 4GHz so...? And 2: is 800Mhz ram ok cuz I'll just try and keep it at stock speed so as not to disrupt the overclock. My aim is to play all the MAME games that work at the moment..
Thanks very much for your help.. Yes, I was unsure about the overclocking of the RAM as this Asus MB that I have as my main PC ( Asus P5N32-e SLI) allows me to run the RAM and the CPU at independent speeds. I've got my Q6600 Quad running at 4Ghz and I can run the Gskill 800 at 800Mhz... So this Gigabyte board is different in that respect? I have tried this Gskill ram right up to 910 but it does have the occasional lockup with it that high.. 890 is still a little high so I just leave it at 800 and have the timings at 4,4,3,5... Anywho....I'll look at some 1066Mhz stuff then.. Any brand will do seeing as I wont be overclocking it yeah? I was thinking of running a Cooler Master Geminii S Universal CPU Cooler. What do you think? At the moment I have the stock intel cooler from my Quad core bolted on.. Its a little bigger than a stock intel Dual Core cooler and has a bigger copper footprint, but as yet I havn't fired anything up cuz I'm waiting on the 8500GT...
Again, cheers for the help. I've been pointing many newbies to this thread... I think it should be put up on a pedestal.
Mate, I have to say..Thank you for all your help with my questions and with this whole entire thread. As I've said before I don't think there is a place on the net with this much information dealing with the system specs required for a good MAME rig. You showed me the ingredients that I needed to make my MAME machine a winner and to put a huge smile on mine and my 7 year old sons face.
Thanks very much for your help.. Yes, I was unsure about the overclocking of the RAM as this Asus MB that I have as my main PC ( Asus P5N32-e SLI) allows me to run the RAM and the CPU at independent speeds. I've got my Q6600 Quad running at 4Ghz and I can run the Gskill 800 at 800Mhz... So this Gigabyte board is different in that respect? I have tried this Gskill ram right up to 910 but it does have the occasional lockup with it that high.. 890 is still a little high so I just leave it at 800 and have the timings at 4,4,3,5... Anywho....I'll look at some 1066Mhz stuff then.. Any brand will do seeing as I wont be overclocking it yeah? I was thinking of running a Cooler Master Geminii S Universal CPU Cooler. What do you think? At the moment I have the stock intel cooler from my Quad core bolted on.. Its a little bigger than a stock intel Dual Core cooler and has a bigger copper footprint, but as yet I havn't fired anything up cuz I'm waiting on the 8500GT...
Again, cheers for the help. I've been pointing many newbies to this thread... I think it should be put up on a pedestal.
The Intel 3 & 4 series chipsets have a minium FSB to RAM frequency RATIO of 1:1, so you can't run your RAM at a slower rate than you FSB. You may well find you can get more out of your memory on the Intel chipset, the Nvidia 680i SLI chipset has the single worst memory controller in the history of computing in my books, any motherboard with that chipset should have come bundled with memory that had been individually tested for compatibly with that board.
Any brand of DDR2-1066 will do, but I suggest sticking to a good brand name or memory modules on compatible list for the motherboard.
The Cooler Master Geminii series coolers are great for making quiet systems, but aren't that great for overclocking, a CPU will run about 5+ Deg C hotter with a Geminii S cooling it, than the same CPU cooled with a Sunbeam Core Contact Freezer for example.
Yeah, the old Pentium-D style copper cored coolers that came with the early Core 2 Duo's are much better, than the shortened all aluminum heasinks you get with the later Core 2 Duos, but I wouldn't recommend using one to cool a heavily overclocked CPU.
No Problem. Yeah this thread has taken on a like of it own, I remember posting it and thinking I'd be lucky if it got a couple of hundred views and a dozen replies at best before it dropped off the first page and was forgotten, but now some 36000+ views and 380 odd posts later it still going strong.
@Taz-nz. Whats your opinion of these two CPU coolers. I'm still in the market for one.
Cooler Master Eclipse
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Coolermaster_Eclipse/index.shtml
and
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2244
Very nice Volts, and great overclock too, probably has a more to give with a little more voltage. :applaud: :cheers:
I've really got to replace my old engineering sample C0 stepping E8500, it's likes the volts a little to much and I'd really want to be at 4.5ghz+ stable at sane voltage on a day to day basis.
@Taz-nz. Whats your opinion of these two CPU coolers. I'm still in the market for one.
Cooler Master Eclipse
http://www.virtual-hideout.net/reviews/Coolermaster_Eclipse/index.shtml
and
ThermalRight Ultra 120 eXtreme
http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2244
Forgot to list my parts.
Gigabyte GA-G33M-DS2R mATX motherboard
E0 E8500
Swiftech MCX159-CU Northbridge HSF
Alpha PRE9060T CPU HSF (It is one heavy sucker) http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1398/cpu-alp-05/Alpha_PRE9060T_-_Socket_775.html (http://www.frozencpu.com/products/1398/cpu-alp-05/Alpha_PRE9060T_-_Socket_775.html)
2 x 2GB Mushkin ascent ram
corsair HX620
I am using an old school case.. Inwin Q500 full tower, bought originally for a celeron 300A. :)
If your still running the intergrated graphics your doing well, from all accounts I've seen the intergrated graphics normally cries blood murder somewhere in the mid four hundred FSB range, and going my your clock speed your running a 450mhz FSB, so your probably almost at the point where you'll need a standalone graphics card to go any faster. Still a great overclock and really nice volts.
Hows your heatsink hold up under a burnin test like orthos ?, while MAME isn't as good at heating up your CPU as Orthos and alike, there are a number of ROM that will happily pin both cores to a 100%, so you need good cooling to make sure the system is stable in MAME and not just on the desktop. Your low volts are possibly your saving grace on this one, but I'd be interested to know what temps you are getting.
Welp, with a quick attempt at an overclock 4GHz seems to be out of the reach of the RAM as the only option is to run 800Mhz at 890Mhz and I kept getting blue screens on load up of windows.. The PC boots, but won't load windows.... Backing the FSB off a little 3.7Ghz is running quite easily.. 3.7Ghz over the stock 3Ghz makes a world of difference to games like Sanfran Rush and Guantlet.Soooo I ended up buying some Team Xtreem DDR2 PC-8500 1066 5-5-5-15 2x1Gb RAM and the 1066Mhz speed did the trick.. Even on the stock quad core intel cooler I acheived 4Ghz first pop. It seems that because of the limits of the multplier for the RAM with this Motherboard, running 800Mhz at the lowest speed of 890Mhz (with 2x multiplied FSB ) was just to much for the ram... But the CPU runs fine at 4Ghz and probably will go higher... Now.. Just for a cooler... What do you think of this one IceAge 90 CPU Cooler ?
Soooo I ended up buying some Team Xtreem DDR2 PC-8500 1066 5-5-5-15 2x1Gb RAM and the 1066Mhz speed did the trick.. Even on the stock quad core intel cooler I acheived 4Ghz first pop. It seems that because of the limits of the multplier for the RAM with this Motherboard, running 800Mhz at the lowest speed of 890Mhz (with 2x multiplied FSB ) was just to much for the ram... But the CPU runs fine at 4Ghz and probably will go higher... Now.. Just for a cooler... What do you think of this one IceAge 90 CPU Cooler ?
Nice RAM, I find overclocking RAM is far more hit and miss than overclocking CPUs, I've seen cheap DDR2-800 hit DDR2-1200 with only a little extra voltage, but I've also seen expensive DDR2-1066 kits that called it quits at DDR2-1100, it's why I prefer to avoid overclocking memory if I can, and with current memory prices there is little reason not to buy the fast stuff and keep life simple.
Welcome to the 4ghz club, just watch your temps until you replace the stock heatsink, hate to see you cook your CPU.
As for what I think of the Iceage 90 cooler, if have a space restriction that limits you to a 92mm FAN heatsink then it's probably ok, otherwise I'd say it's so so, the larger Iceage 120 result are 3 deg hotter than a Sunbeam Core contact freezer, so if you scale the cooling preformance down to the 92mm fan and heatsink and allow foronly 3 heatpipes vs the larger versions 4, your going to see a noticable drop in cooling preformance compared to a larger solution like the core contact freezer. It will still be better than the stock item your using now, but I prefer to keep CPU tempatures as low as possible when overclocking, it gives you a larger safety margin for loss of heatsink preformance due to dust, hot days, etc.
Which would be better...Vista 64 or XP 64? I have Vista 64 already installed but I can get a copy of XP 64 for free (one of the perks of being a MCT). I have yet to install MAME and the other game software as I haven't yet mounted my monitor. Would there be a speed difference between the two?
Which would be better...Vista 64 or XP 64? I have Vista 64 already installed but I can get a copy of XP 64 for free (one of the perks of being a MCT). I have yet to install MAME and the other game software as I haven't yet mounted my monitor. Would there be a speed difference between the two?
Ok, as I see, there are no AVGA 64bit drivers so what can I do if I'm running xp64? Can I run XP32 and just run MAME64? Please clarify...if ne1 has the xp64 AVGA drivers please contact me...thnx!
Man, I have been trying for ever to get win 7. I really wanna see what my 4ghz monster can do with it. I really don't wanna go for an old torrent. I do have a serial for the x64 ultimate thought that microsoft sent me, but they just do not host the files any longer.
ah ok thanks ill ditch this one and get a core 2 duo
Does anyone have recent numbers with i7's?
Yeah I just built an i7 machine with 12 gb ram and 4 tb hdd space. The payment will be to let me bench out mame. I wish there was a batch util I could run.
...
If you can't get 64bit drivers you have three options:
- Stick to 32bit windows and MAME32. (not really a solution, more like putting ones head in the sand)
- Sell your old Arcade VGA to someone here that's happy to stick to the older MAME versions and replace it with a newer Arcade VGA2 (and run Vista 64bit if needed)
- Buy a cheap entry level ATI graphics card that is atleast a radeon 9500 or newer which has 64bit driver support, and run Soft-15Khz (http://files.arianchen.de/soft15khz/soft15khz.zip) to get the required screen resolutions & refresh rates for your arcade monitor.
| COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115) | $40 |
| ENERMAX Tomahawk ETK405AST 405W ATX12V V2.2 AirGuard, Speed Guard and Safe Guard Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194037) | $45 |
| GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372) | $95 |
| Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7500 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056) | $120 |
| CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590) | $50 |
| GIGABYTE GV-R435OC-512I Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Low Profile ... - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251) | $35 |
| LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276) | $20 |
| Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004) | $40 |
| Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488) | $100 |
| Total | $545 |
Can someone benchmark naomi games. Are they playable at 4.0 Ghz??
I'm looking for some tips on the following system (I have been pouring over the recommended setups here on the forums - thanks taz-nz and everyone!). I have never overclocked before, so my goal is to hit something as fast as I can but I don't need 4+ GHz. I also want to keep the costs down as much as possible, preferably under $400 if possible (although I don't see how that is possible considering Vista 64 is $100). I already have an HD.
COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115) $40 ENERMAX Tomahawk ETK405AST 405W ATX12V V2.2 AirGuard, Speed Guard and Safe Guard Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194037) $45 GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372) $95 Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7500 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056) $120 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590) $50 GIGABYTE GV-R435OC-512I Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Low Profile ... - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251) $35 LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276) $20 Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004) $40 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488) $100 Total $545
Any tips for reducing costs?Can I just mount all the components on the inside of the arcade cabinet and forget the case, or will this adversely affect cooling?Yes, no.
Edit: Oh, and this will be for MAME only - no PC games or other emus. Kthanksbye.
Edit again: Just reread this previous post (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72776.msg939961#msg939961) answering my question about the case (not necessary). Coolio.
PSU is a bit weak, I cant underestimate how important a good one is. I must admit you are working with a failry bare system (as in not a big video card sucking power) But I hate to say it. I just wouldnt go with anything less then a 500. Your system should use about 300watts (most OC's will take some voltage tweaking, and yess 300 watts is a bit high, but I would rather guess high then to low) so at 80% efficency thats 320 watts... you are right on the edge, so your PSU will be working at its 100% load (almost). I know most will do that just fine, and Enermax is a good enough PSU brand. I would guess my figures are worst case and that PSU would probebly last forever, but a few more watts would really give you a much more overhead. I work and build systems (how I make my money) and PSU are one of the worst headaches to find, fix on unstable systems. Again, it looks like a nice build to me, looks like you are going rebate crazy (so price will be even better then your list when you get um all back). I have a E7500 but have yet to play with it, I do know the 8400 are wonderfull to OC and mine have been rocks. I build more "gameing" systems with 8400's then anything else and almost always get an OC of 4Ghz out of them with close to stock voltage (personal machine for gaming is runing 4.2 at stock (but its the excpetion, not the rule)).
Again, I think you are fine, but I would bump the PSU for peace of mind (but you may just be fine). Really looks like you ahve done your research to me. Great Bang for Buck!!!!
Tomorrow, this thread will officially be 2 years old. Am I to believe that getting a core 2 duo and overclocking it to 4Ghz is still the only way to get max performance in MAME? Has there been no advance in processor technology in the last 2 years for running a nearly single threaded application like MAME?
For MAME, the next best thing after the Core 2 Duo is the Core i7. While these are faster, they are MUCH more expensive. The chips are $500, the motherboards start at $250, they use triple channel RAM... Intel is just now coming out with the lower end i5 & i3 chips which will eventually phase out the Core 2 line by the end of 2010.
the Core i7 ... use triple channel RAM...
Sorry, didn't mean to imply that the i5 was also triple channel.
Tomorrow, this thread will officially be 2 years old. Am I to believe that getting a core 2 duo and overclocking it to 4Ghz is still the only way to get max performance in MAME? Has there been no advance in processor technology in the last 2 years for running a nearly single threaded application like MAME?
@Neverending Project: I'm debating dropping the coin on an e7500 for my cab this xmas. How does your cab handle the gauntlets, and how much ram do you have in your machine?
I'm looking for some tips on the following system (I have been pouring over the recommended setups here on the forums - thanks taz-nz and everyone!). I have never overclocked before, so my goal is to hit something as fast as I can but I don't need 4+ GHz. I also want to keep the costs down as much as possible, preferably under $400 if possible (although I don't see how that is possible considering Vista 64 is $100). I already have an HD.
COOLER MASTER Elite 330 RC-330-KKN1-GP Black SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119115) $40 ENERMAX Tomahawk ETK405AST 405W ATX12V V2.2 AirGuard, Speed Guard and Safe Guard Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817194037) $45 GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128372) $95 Intel Core2 Duo E7500 Wolfdale 2.93GHz LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Processor Model BX80571E7500 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115056) $120 CORSAIR XMS2 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TWIN2X2048-6400 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590) $50 GIGABYTE GV-R435OC-512I Radeon HD 4350 512MB 64-bit GDDR2 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Low Profile ... - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125251) $35 LITE-ON Black SATA DVD-ROM Drive Model iHDS118-04 - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276) $20 Sunbeam CR-CCTF 120 mm Core-Contact Freezer CPU Cooler W/TX-2 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835207004) $40 Microsoft Windows Vista Home Premium SP1 64-bit for System Builders - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116488) $100 Total $545
Any tips for reducing costs?Can I just mount all the components on the inside of the arcade cabinet and forget the case, or will this adversely affect cooling?Yes, no.
Edit: Oh, and this will be for MAME only - no PC games or other emus. Kthanksbye.
Edit again: Just reread this previous post (http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=72776.msg939961#msg939961) answering my question about the case (not necessary). Coolio.
| Processor | Core | Un-core | GPU | Max Mem Clock | Cores / Threads | L3 Cache | Max Turbo |
| Intel Core i5-670 | 3.46GHz | 2.40GHz | 733MHz | 1333MHz | 2 / 4 | 4MB | 3.76GHz |
| Intel Core i5-660 | 3.33GHz | 2.40GHz | 733MHz | 1333MHz | 2 / 4 | 4MB | 3.60GHz |
| Intel Core i5-650 | 3.20GHz | 2.40GHz | 733MHz | 1333MHz | 2 / 4 | 4MB | 3.46GHz |
So the question is now people what do you want benchmarked?
| ROM | i5 @ 4.6ghz | i5 @ 4.8ghz | i7 @4.0ghz |
| 1942 | 5294.06% | 5656.39% | 5049.09% |
| Blitz | 211.76% | 219.89% | 247.23% |
| Dolphin | 33.44% | 35.91% | 29.27% |
| Gauntleg | 295.30% | 300.43% | 322.49% |
| Gradius4 | 163.59% | 169.82% | 182.35% |
| Propcycl | 159.75% | 159.93% | 203.97% |
| Radikalb | 199.64% | 209.44% | 159.87% |
| Scud | 119.33% | 124.38% | 115.24% |
| Starsldr | 139.56% | 144.96% | 120.40% |
| ROM | Result |
| 1942 | 5300.81% |
| Airco22b | 165.88% |
| Alpinerd | 106.31% |
| Blitz | 201.74% |
| Blitz99 | 210.60% |
| Cybrcycc | 222.12% |
| Dolphin | 34.44% |
| Gauntleg | 330.59% |
| Gradius4 | 156.53% |
| Hyperdriv | 240.46% |
| Propcycl | 162.43% |
| Radikalb | 193.13% |
| Raveracw | 153.87% |
| Ridgerac | 184.33% |
| Scud | 115.35% |
| Sidebs2 | 219.05% |
| Starblad | 168.09% |
| Starsldr | 137.76% |
| Stunrun | 886.06% |
| Surfplnt | 177.45% |
Would be neat to see how these scale every 100mhz compared to your original set of benchmarks which you said at the time were pretty linear with each additional 100mhz.
Also, was there still sound stuttering on Gauntlet Legends or was that finally smooth?
Thanks for posting these! :cheers:
As for ram, ddr2 or ddr3 won't make a huge impact on arcade gaming. None of the games are doing things that require heavy ram processing. (actually, most things on Pcs don't need that, but let's not go there.) 64bit is one of the best and easiest choices for a significant speed boost!
As for ram, ddr2 or ddr3 won't make a huge impact on arcade gaming. None of the games are doing things that require heavy ram processing. (actually, most things on Pcs don't need that, but let's not go there.) 64bit is one of the best and easiest choices for a significant speed boost!
Has this ever been proven/disproven with actual benchmarks? If you're running the program, you're in ram, and as I understand it, for CPU intensive things like emulation, I would imagine that waiting for the ram could cause wasted cycles.
Edit: Ran a benchmark on 1942 with the above procedures on a P4 3.0Ghz machine with the same capacities of DDR226 and DDR400 with identical results. Perhaps I'm wrong, after all.
Time to dig up this thread, I just upgraded to the new Intel Sandy Bridge processor and did some very preliminary testing last night.
Here is what I have:
Core i5-2500 (3.3 Ghz stock)
Intel DH67CF Mini ITX board
4 GB Ram
MSI HD 5670 video card
Windows XP 32 bit SP3
I only tested a couple games, but everything ran really good.
I fired up Mace: the Dark Age and played it through to the end. The framerates never dropped below 100% and game ran perfectly.
Next up, Gauntlet Legends. The game played very well with only a couple frame rate drop to 90ish% on the first stage of the mountain world. For some reason I didn't have sound effects (the music worked fine), but that may have been due to the older version of MAME I was using or mismatched CHD/ROM files. I will get a newer version of MAME tonight and do some more testing.
I would have done more benchmarking, but I was having too much fun playing Mace the Dark Age. ;D So my very early thoughts are that the new Sandy Bridge CPUs are going to finally make almost all of those CHD games playable without overclocking. With an unlocked Sandy Bridge CPU, overclocking is as easy as just changing the CPU multiplier in the BIOS. So far the tech sites are saying 4.0 Ghz OC can be achieved very easily on air with the stock Intel cooler. These are the perfect CPUs for MAME and with 64-bit Windows MAME performance would be even better.
Nest up, I need to find a PCI-e vid card that is compatible with Soft 15Khz so I can test games running at their native resolutions with my NEC XM29. :cheers:
Ah, to hell with it. I went ahead and sprung for the i7 2600K. After I get the system up and running, I'll report back with results.
Ah, to hell with it. I went ahead and sprung for the i7 2600K. After I get the system up and running, I'll report back with results.
I tried to go with Windows XP 64, but it was super unstable. Freezing up. I went to Windows 7 64 and haven't had any trouble. I just don't know if the 64 bit architecture was fully implemented into Windows XP, or just tacked on.
Alright, finally some results. My core i7 gets pretty flaky after 4.8ghz, so I chose to keep it there for now.
5346.38% - 1942
735.65% - Area 51
327.25% - gauntleg
272.67% - Blitz
387.44% - Gradius4
177.67% - Propcycl
142.97% - radikalb
121.86% - starsldr
Not too shabby :)
My system setup: ASUS P8P67M-Pro, 8 Gigs Ripjaw 12800 RAM, 64GB SATA III SSD, I7 2600k clocked to 4.8 on air, NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 256mb PCIe, running XP 64bit.
Gauntlet legends crashes randomly after I start gameplay. My cpu is nowhere near maxed out - the game is running in 4 out of 8 cores, and each of them is at best 60% utilized.
Gauntlet legends crashes randomly after I start gameplay. My cpu is nowhere near maxed out - the game is running in 4 out of 8 cores, and each of them is at best 60% utilized.
Have you tried disabling hyperthreading? My i3-560 runs mame better without HT -- I would bet that your benchmarks (and perhaps GL gameplay) would be better with HT disabled.
Considering I can see MAME64 running in two of my eight threads @ 4.8ghz each, I can see where a single core CPU would need to run close that speed in order to keep up.
Considering I can see MAME64 running in two of my eight threads @ 4.8ghz each, I can see where a single core CPU would need to run close that speed in order to keep up.
I am curious -- while your benchmark is running how many of your threads are at 100% -- 2 or 4? If only 2 of 8 are at 100% then shouldn't you be able to disable HT to get a higher benchmark (mame would then use 2 of 4)? I'm going to try this out on my Clarkdale when I get home...for some reason I can't shake the notion that HT negatively affects mame performance.
gauntleg and it ran just fine until it crashed while I was on the stairs (known issue)
I could push my Clarkdale further but I see no need when GL and blitz runs smooth @4.2ghz (cruise control) with room to spare. I am guessing that a sandy bridge i5@4.2ghz would eat my clarkdale for breakfast.
Can someone please remind me why C2Ds are so highly regarded for running mame?
If I'm not mistaken...
gauntleg = 1.6
gauntleg12 = 1.2
You can also confirm the version on the title screen (or is it the credits?). It's listed in the bottom left corner of the screen.
Nicely done. I am going to dig for that rom and try to run it tonight at my current settings. Did you figure out a way to permanently solve the sound issue or are you still having to do your work-around?
;D
I couldn't resist.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+gauntdl+on+mame%3F (http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+is+gauntdl+on+mame%3F)
Fair enough. So besides locating version 1.2 and taking a look at sfrush, is there any other game out there that folks would like to see me try to run on my Clarkdale?
So...reading in the Main Forum CPU FAQ led me to here (apparently way outdated, started in '03), and I'm curious about my proposed equipment for my upcoming cabinet:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
Kingston DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM, 4x1GB sticks for a total of 4GB RAM
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
DVD-ROM drive
Hard drive - use either spare SATA 250GB or purchase new 60GB SSD w/SATA II
I'm planning on using my MAME version 0.103u2 (Jan 11 '06) and also putting DAPHNE on to run Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, Space Ace, and Cliff Hanger. Now I'm hearing about Gauntlet Legends -- will the above setup be able to play it or will I have some serious issues and not worry about it? Thanks in advance for the advice.
So...reading in the Main Forum CPU FAQ led me to here (apparently way outdated, started in '03), and I'm curious about my proposed equipment for my upcoming cabinet:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
Kingston DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM, 4x1GB sticks for a total of 4GB RAM
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
DVD-ROM drive
Hard drive - use either spare SATA 250GB or purchase new 60GB SSD w/SATA II
I'm planning on using my MAME version 0.103u2 (Jan 11 '06) and also putting DAPHNE on to run Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, Space Ace, and Cliff Hanger. Now I'm hearing about Gauntlet Legends -- will the above setup be able to play it or will I have some serious issues and not worry about it? Thanks in advance for the advice.
So...reading in the Main Forum CPU FAQ led me to here (apparently way outdated, started in '03), and I'm curious about my proposed equipment for my upcoming cabinet:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
Kingston DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM, 4x1GB sticks for a total of 4GB RAM
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
DVD-ROM drive
Hard drive - use either spare SATA 250GB or purchase new 60GB SSD w/SATA II
I'm planning on using my MAME version 0.103u2 (Jan 11 '06) and also putting DAPHNE on to run Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, Space Ace, and Cliff Hanger. Now I'm hearing about Gauntlet Legends -- will the above setup be able to play it or will I have some serious issues and not worry about it? Thanks in advance for the advice.
From what I remember reading, you'd need to be somewhere in the 5-8 Ghz range for Gauntlet legends/NFL Blitz 99. So I don't think you'll get smooth Gauntlet Legends play on your current rig.
Alright, finally some results. My core i7 gets pretty flaky after 4.8ghz, so I chose to keep it there for now.
5346.38% - 1942
735.65% - Area 51
352.60% - gauntleg12
272.67% - Blitz
387.44% - Gradius4
177.67% - Propcycl
142.97% - radikalb
121.86% - starsldr
Not too shabby :)
My system setup: ASUS P8P67M-Pro, 8 Gigs Ripjaw 12800 RAM, 64GB SATA III SSD, I7 2600k clocked to 4.8 on air, NVIDIA GeForce 8500 GT 256mb PCIe, running XP 64bit.
So...reading in the Main Forum CPU FAQ led me to here (apparently way outdated, started in '03), and I'm curious about my proposed equipment for my upcoming cabinet:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
Kingston DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM, 4x1GB sticks for a total of 4GB RAM
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
DVD-ROM drive
Hard drive - use either spare SATA 250GB or purchase new 60GB SSD w/SATA II
I'm planning on using my MAME version 0.103u2 (Jan 11 '06) and also putting DAPHNE on to run Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, Space Ace, and Cliff Hanger. Now I'm hearing about Gauntlet Legends -- will the above setup be able to play it or will I have some serious issues and not worry about it? Thanks in advance for the advice.
I just bought an i5 3570k Ivy Bridge today - I'll be swapping this into my rig to run more tests. Once I get the overclock stable on it, I'll benchmark a few more games again.
So...reading in the Main Forum CPU FAQ led me to here (apparently way outdated, started in '03), and I'm curious about my proposed equipment for my upcoming cabinet:
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DS3L motherboard
Intel® Core™2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB)
Kingston DDR2 800 MHz SDRAM, 4x1GB sticks for a total of 4GB RAM
CORSAIR Builder Series CX500 V2 500W ATX12V v2.3 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply
EVGA 01G-P3-N988-TR GeForce 9800 GT HDMI 1GB 256-bit DDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
DVD-ROM drive
Hard drive - use either spare SATA 250GB or purchase new 60GB SSD w/SATA II
I'm planning on using my MAME version 0.103u2 (Jan 11 '06) and also putting DAPHNE on to run Dragon's Lair, Dragon's Lair II, Space Ace, and Cliff Hanger. Now I'm hearing about Gauntlet Legends -- will the above setup be able to play it or will I have some serious issues and not worry about it? Thanks in advance for the advice.
Out of curiosity are you pretty much set on the above specs? If you already have the machine you might as well start running tests to see what you can do (and how much you are able to overclock). If you don't already have the components there are probably better options out there in terms of CPU's (for mame) -- one example earlier on this page has a Core 2 Duo overclocked to 4ghz, and I was running an i3-560 overclocked to 4.2 and was able to run all of these games (nfl blitz, gauntdl).
If you are set on a socket 775 motherboard, Core 2 duos tend to overclock better than the core 2 quads because the extra cores and cache of the quads generate more heat.
If you go Sandy Bridge you don't need 4.8ghz to run these games. I have a 2500k @ 4.2 and it runs these games with room to spare. I just happen to be assembling a new system based on an i5-2400 (Sandy bridge @3.1 ghz) and can try to run these games when I get home tonight if you want.
I agree that there appears to be emulation issues in gauntleg, so you will want to try to run either gauntleg12 or gauntdl.
Right now my main concern is being able to play most of the arcade games -- I can always upgrade the PC later after the cab is built. ;D