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Raitsa

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Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« on: August 03, 2009, 05:27:09 pm »
Installed Windows Tiny7 on my main PC today and MameXT does run fine with it, great!  :applaud:


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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #1 on: August 03, 2009, 05:50:40 pm »
Awesome!! I didn't even know there was a tiny 7 yet! This is good news for my new cab I'm working on :)

Thanks for taking the time to try this out!!

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #2 on: August 03, 2009, 07:09:59 pm »
Wow! Was looking in the usual place, but couldn't find it.
thanks

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2009, 12:55:35 pm »
Are you running the 32-bit or 64-bit version of Windows 7? Any idea how the Mame speeds compare to running on Vista?

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2009, 03:20:19 am »
zmartin34:
Only 32bit version of Tiny7 available now, but a new updated version for both 32-bit and 64-bit is already made, not yet released though.
I personally never bothered to install Visva on any of my computers :)

"This is probably the final list of what components are removed in Rev01 (which is a 2.44GB x86 and x64 DVD):

Accessories
Games-Inbox Games
Games-Premium Inbox Games
Speech Support

Languages
Japanese
Korean
Simplified Chinese
Traditional Chinese

Multimedia
Media Center
Music and Video samples

System
BitLocker Drive Encryption
Natural Language
Security Center
Tablet PC"

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2009, 03:52:52 pm »
Sounds nice! In terms of compatibility, I've been under a rock a bit with this, but how will it act compared to vista? What I'm asking is does it make sense if I'm going to run most emulators currently available to use this OS or does it need time?

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2009, 04:10:34 pm »
Windows 7 was made to be completely backwards compatible with windows vista, in a way you could call it a service pack. But one with many new features obviously :)

As such all applications and drivers should be full compatible with windows 7, I've not found any trouble yet personally even drivers that vista had issues with have worked flawlessly. Overall much better performance as well (x64 version I'm talking about). It gets a thumbs up from me! :D

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2009, 04:13:18 pm »
Nothing to add to Nipedley´s reply  :applaud:

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #8 on: August 15, 2009, 09:57:43 am »
Thanks for the insight  ;D

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #9 on: August 15, 2009, 10:44:58 am »
I just put this OS on my netbook and from a shutdown it starts up super fast. Holy crap!

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #10 on: August 27, 2009, 10:11:01 am »
Any updates on Tiny7 64 bit?

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2009, 11:37:41 am »
Looks like no 64bit Tiny7, quoted info from the author of Tiny7:


"Tiny7 Rev01 Will Not Have x64!
15 Aug 2009 06:00 am

The short answer - it doesn't even work.

I was going to put a slimmed x86 and slimmed x64 of Windows 7 all on one DVD.

Its already done (although on first login there's a few small problems with the Taskbar, but the concept of it works).

The reality is x64 is a massive massive OS that never could be classed as "Tiny" and calling it tiny is just silly.

Thats not the reason though, nope, its not even the colossal size of it that bothers me its:

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1 - Games do not work! Call of Duty 4 does not run, Battlefield 2 crashes as soon as you click to join a server. I only tried three games in the space of 4 hours and two of them do not work! Yes I fooled around with the compatibility modes, nothing worked. Also it might be important to note that every time I see anyone complaining about a game exe not working (say on Demonoid, TL, TPB or anywhere there can be a comment about a cracked game) its always, without fail, Vista x64 that it does not work on. Windows 7 x64 seems to be a continuation of that. I ran this OS for literally 4 hours and already found 2/3 games do not even WORK on it. I am not sitting here pissing about making these exe's run (if thats even possible without a whole new exe) when it already works perfectly fine on x86.

2 - It killed my router when I had uTorrent on. x86 didn't do that. I down;loaded far more on x86 (run it for 2 weeks almost) whereas I used x64 not even for one day and it killed the router (had to be unplugged and plugged back in) with uTorrent going arguably PAST its full speed somehow and crapping out because of it, going right down to 0Kbps and making a yellow exclamation mark appear on the network adapter icon in the system tray.

3 - The operating system uses double the RAM of x86.

4 - The operating system is massive, the full one is 11.2Gb when installed. Even the slimmed one is 7Gb almost. Hardly "Tiny" is it? Considering I got the x86 down to 2.5Gb installed.

5 - x64 did not get any more points in 3DMark06 than the x86 one did. In fact x64 got slightly less, but it was only slight: x86 got 9980 and x64 got 9965. So there's no advantage in games, unless you have a 64-Bit version of a game like Crysis or... or... well this is it, there are really a handful of truly 64-Bit games whereas all games, including all those x64 ones, are also x86.

6 - Its not a problem with this OS but all x64 OS's have that "Program Files (x86)" folder on the root of the drive. Where are my apps ummm "Program Files" or "Program Files (x86)" eenie meenie miney mo.... WTF. I hate that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

So the main reason is - compatibility.

Between an OS that is compatible with everything I ran for 12 days without any issues, compared to the x64 version I tried for about 4 hours and had several problems straight away, its obvious which one to use.

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I am going to carry on with the single x86 and having it CD sized.

BTW I have only 2Gb of RAM and have never once used all of it, so why use x64? Yes thats running 2 VM's with 512Mb each at times. I still never go over 2Gb, never have.

x64 has compatibility problems. x86 does not. Its a simple decision for me after actually trying to use x64 myself and finding for myself what its really like.

I know its not the popular opinion but I don't care, or need to care.

If you want to use x64 just install the full one and... good luck.

Yes I know "but I have 4Gb of RAM and x86 only sees 3.2Gb of it" well, that makes no sense if you're running an OS that doesn't run half your games, its all very well if the game actually can use that RAM and runs, it would be a start.

You can't use all 4Gb of RAM if the game you plan to run does not even run at all.

I don't know why its still so bad but XP x64 and Vista x64 had exactly the same crap, programs don't work and you have to get a x64 version, why bother I mean seriously, why bother?

It has many disadvantages and only one advantage: it uses all 4Gb or all 8Gb RAM. :roll:

SO WHAT.

If it does not work it does not work. The scales are tipped, its not worth all that hassle just to have an OS that sees all 4Gb RAM... so you install x64 and it sees all your RAM, nice, then you have a shitload of problems that are not even present in x86.

A few years ago they said "x64 will be good in a few years" and now its a few years later they still say "x64 will be good in a few years" so, see the pattern? I do - x64 never will be good! Perhaps in another ten years, seriously, not five years but about ten years, then maybe it will work and games will only be available as 64-Bit or whatever.

I'd rather use the friggin Vista x86 than the 7 x64 and thats saying something coming from a guy thats avoided Vista like the plague.

Its pissed me off that I spent all that time refining it, to find out its incompatible with games, when I could have probably fixed the original Tiny7 by now."


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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2009, 03:21:27 am »
Updated version released 31.8.2009: Tiny7 Rev01 : release infos at http://pastebin.com/f470db8c7
« Last Edit: December 08, 2009, 04:31:47 am by Raitsa »

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2009, 03:37:18 pm »
me dont like these w7 tiny or full versions, they got too much errors, plus, how im i goin to shell w7, thats just my opinion

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #14 on: September 01, 2009, 12:30:04 pm »
Updated version released 31.8.2009: Tiny7 Rev01 : release infos at http://pastebin.com/f7b4bb6d6


Cool, I'm going to download it so I can hold on to it.

thanks

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2009, 06:08:48 pm »
Tiny7 rev01 sidebar/gadgets fix, they were missing from rev01, this 5 sec fix makes sidebar & gadgets work again.

Just doubleclick the extracted file to import it to registry.

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Re: Windows Tiny7 & Mame
« Reply #16 on: December 08, 2009, 04:32:55 am »
The original infofile at pastebin retired, new url for the infofile is at http://pastebin.com/f470db8c7