LCD CRT for desktop mame

[mytymaus007]

As of now I have no plans of building a cab so with that in mind What would be the best monitor to put on my desktop, I mainly play the classics but like the new games I currently using 15 inch crt. I turn it on its side for vertical games. any suggestions? I was thinking 4:3 lcd 19 inch, arcade monitor i think would be hazardous unless i build a cover for it

[Ginsu Victim]

 

[mytymaus007]

there u go

[Ginsu Victim]

Just didn't want you gettin' in trouble.

[Ginsu Victim]

To answer your question, for desktop gaming, I'd just use an LCD that can rotate. Most non-widescreen 19" LCDs are 5:4, though, not 4:3 (so you won't get much out of rotating it).

[mytymaus007]

do you have any 19' wide screens in mind because everyone that I seen, when you turn it on its side  looks very narrow unlike turning a crt on it side

[Ginsu Victim]

I said non-widescreen, so I don't "have any 19" wide screens in mind"

(I definitely don't have any 19' (ft) wide screens in mind either...) 

[nox771]

For 4:3 I would go with 20-21" if you can find it.  The largest size you will find is 21", but those are getting hard to find now.  For tech info you will want to see Anandtech's LCD thread here.  Pay attention to the differences between VA/IPS/TN panels (described at the top).

Skip all the cheap <$200 panels if you want any kind of quality.  Those are all TN panels, and most times they are widescreen.  Rotated TN panels look like crap.

Things to check for quickly if you are looking at a particular model:
1) Vesa mount - panels that don't have a Vesa mount are TN.  They are not meant to be rotated.  A lot of cheap panels have come out recently that eliminate the Vesa mount, and instead use some POS built-in mount which provides at most tilt function (not even height adjustment).
2) DVI or HDMI connector - if all you see is RGB connectors then keep looking.  The days of bad convergence and linearity need to just end already.

I was in the market recently to get another 20"-21" 4:3 panel and the lowest cost decent 4:3 panel I could find was the Dell 2007FP here.  It is either PVA or IPS (there is no way to know which one you will get).  Personally I prefer PVA panels, but many like IPS better.

There used to be other good 4:3 panels - Samsung 213T, 214T (21") or the Viewsonic VP series (20").  I can't find sources for those anymore.  Perhaps someone else knows.

[Blanka]

I agree the Dell 2007 is one of the best options. The S-PVA version has the blackest black, but the IPS wins on input-lag. So if you wa'nt the prettiest picture, you're better of with the S-PVA version, if you're a die hard Donkey Kong player and critical on fast response, go for the IPS.
The HP 2065 is another 4:3 1600x1200 pixel IPS monitor
19 inch panels are all 5:4, not real 4:3, and they are always TN, which means horrible viewing angles when mounted vertical. The HP has either an IPS or an A-MVA screen. The latter seems to be better in response times as S-PVA, and similar regarding black values.

[Lilwolf]

If its mainly for classic games, I would still consider a 19" arcade monitor.  They aren't too bad (especially if you get one that takes standard power and a vga connector)...

Yes you need to be careful with the backside (very careful).  But if you are building a box for it, just do that first and mount it.  Your careful for like a day before its done and safe again.

if your playing ANY pc games on it though...  Either go for a video card that can 4x AA  (640x480 or 800x600 with 4x AA actually looks really good..  but not all games can do that).

But all in all... LCD's are easier...and if you don't have something to compare it too, it will look fine.  (like joysticks... some ARE better then others... but even the cheap ones are 1000x better then a keyboard... and are perfectly fine when you don't have a reference )

[u_rebelscum]

My biggest problem is IPS panels is the limmited side views, and the even  ore limited vertical views (which become the horizontal when you rotate it.)  Be aware that the image might fade, darken or even go negative in any of the techs, but much quicker on IPS.

(Note: some IPS scareens are far better than others, and somebad PVA screens are worse than the best IPS AFA side view goes, but as a general rule IPS are not as good as PVA in this area.)


I never want to buy an IPS panel.

[mytymaus007]

I found these 2 monitor on Ebay 4:3 Samsung 213T, 214T (21 inch lcd) Does anybody have these for there mame set up Seems to be the best all around solution!! How are these for classics in vertical view



Samsung 214t ----    http://cgi.ebay.com/214t-Samsung-21-inch-Lcd-Flat-Panel-Monitor-1600-x-1200_W0QQitemZ120471902188QQcmdZViewItemQQptZComputer_Monitors?hash=item1c0caf57ec&_trksid=p4999.c0.m14

or

Samsung 213t ----- http://cgi.ebay.com/Samsung-SyncMaster-213T-Silver-21-3-LCD-Monitor_W0QQitemZ120470450389QQcmdZViewItemQQptZComputer_Monitors?hash=item1c0c9930d5&_trksid=p4999.c0.m14

[Blanka]

I have used the Eizo 2431 in vertical position with Mame, and it is rougly the same panel (Its a 24 inch 16:10 from the same Samsung production line, the 214T panel is cut shorter 1600x1200 instead of 1920x1200). It is excellent, perfect blacks for Pac-Man and other mostly black classics. It delivers a pretty huge image though. A 19 inch CRT had a slightly smaller visible image, so this roughly looks 3 inches bigger. Also most LCD's are mounted closer to the player than the reclined classic tubes.

[mytymaus007]

any pics of the monitor in action with pacman

[Blanka]

The glow is a reflection from the ceiling, not backlight bleed.

[mytymaus007]

NIce cab is this the one you have how much did you pay?

http://www.monitoroutlet.com/product/eizo_foris_fx2431_bk_24_class_color_lcd,36602.html

[IG-88]

I cant even get to that 213 listing. Google is blocking it saying it contains malware 

[mytymaus007]

go to ebay and put in the item # for the 213 model

Item number: 120470450389

[solid12345]

That's a nice case Blanka, looks like it belongs in an IKEA catalogue! 

[mytymaus007]

Yeh thats case looks like you had it go through a powder coating cycle how did you get it like that what material is it made out of

[nox771]

My biggest problem is IPS panels is the limmited side views, and the even  ore limited vertical views (which become the horizontal when you rotate it.)  Be aware that the image might fade, darken or even go negative in any of the techs, but much quicker on IPS.

That sounds more like TN.  I've got two PVA panels and one IPS.  The viewing angle on the IPS isn't too bad and I don't get a negative image on it (nowhere near as bad as a TN panel from the top/bottom).  Viewed from the front the IPS has a better color range IMO. 

However that said, when using dark (black) backgrounds the IPS panel gets the "purple" haze effect when viewed from the side.  It drives me crazy (this is one reason I prefer PVA).  Light backgrounds don't do it, only dark or black ones (but then I almost always use dark ones).  I had never even heard about it until I experienced it, and then I found out looking for the purple haze on black is a quick way to determine if a panel is IPS.

I found these 2 monitor on Ebay 4:3 Samsung 213T, 214T (21 inch lcd) Does anybody have these for there mame set up

I'm staring at a 213T right now.  If I could swap out my other panels for more 213T's I would do it.  The 214T is a newer model than the 213T, but the one in that auction looks like it has some odd thing going on in the lower left (what they call "faint pressure mark").

[Blanka]

The display in the image was an SX2431W. This was the first display. It is one of the office displays and rather expensive/not the best for gaming (3 frames lag).
Today it houses an 26 inch IPS display (a little less bezel than on the image). Don't worry, the newer IPS's don't have the purple haze any longer. There's a slight haze, but it is neutral very dark grey.

[Blanka]

That's a nice case Blanka, looks like it belongs in an IKEA catalogue! 

IKEA    ??
I presume you were refering to a Muji, a Vitra or a Plus-Min-Zero shop. 
Ikea stinks except for cups, plates and garbage buckets. It can even be expensive.
Take this:

It looks crap and it is nowhere near the perfect sit as can be had on this:

Plastic chair by Eames, sold by Vitra or Herman Miller.
Even the frame is 10 times stronger than Ikea's one, although it might not look so.
The Ikea chair is 130 euros, the Eames (depending on your negotiation) around 160 euro. So the IKEA is not even worth considering price wise. Especially if you know that the Eames live for 50 years with ease, and keep their original value as second hand value.

[Blanka]

That's a nice case Blanka, looks like it belongs in an IKEA catalogue! 

Thank you, I got you wrong, you mean it would fit as the carrot for the horses. To lure you into buying crap.

[Valken]

wonderfull cab, Blanka. How much did you've paid for it? Just curious.

[Ond]

I don't know if this is any help BUT, I'm using a 21.1" NEC Model LCD2090Uxi SpectraView (4:3 Aspect) rotating monitor in my cab project (thread link is in my signature).  I bought it specifically for the fact that it has no perceptible change in image quality when rotated or viewed from various angles whatever.  It's also very ruggedly built and quite heavy.  Also expensive. The Samsung unit mentioned in this thread is similar in quality and perhaps a bit cheaper.

Some nice features of the NEC unit include room brightness compensation auto-adjust (can be turned off) and software control of the monitors calibration. Picture quality is excellent and needle sharp as you'd expect.