Is Street Fighter 2 for $400 a good deal?

[Gavica]

What do u think? the guy says it is in mint condition.

http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/for/1271590949.html

[MaximRecoil]

It appears to be in the right type of cabinet for a dedicated SFII CE (Dynamo HS-5), but it probably isn't dedicated, given that it has a generic Capcom CPO (rather than the real SFII CE CPO) and a generic bezel.

If it is really in mint condition (including the monitor), I would probably pay that much for it; mainly because I love Dynamo HS-5 cabinets, I love that game, and arcade machines of any type aren't all that easy to find in my neck of the woods.

[Ginsu Victim]

I've seen good shape ones as low as $150. I personally wouldn't pay more than $200 for a SF2, but I'm not a huge fan of it, just a moderate one.

[Beretta]

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i probably would not pay 400 either.

150-200 for a good shape one sound ok.

[Malenko]

there is no such thing as a dedicated SFII/SFIICE/SFIIT/etc, but the were very commonly kitted into the dynamo cabs. $300 in super fantastic excellent with a short drive but a normal cab, no more then $150 or so

[garnerb350]

I agree with Beretta & Ginsu....

Infact I have never seen a SF2 over 300....

Maybe I'm being over cautious here...but since when do you see offers for "mint" condition cabs now a days? If someone was offering that to me...i would ask to see receipts...Tread lightly

[Dr Zero]

This is one near me in Fl and its on the high side since it needs some cosmetics.
Street Fighter Champion Edition $250

[MaximRecoil]

there is no such thing as a dedicated SFII/SFIICE/SFIIT/etc, but the were very commonly kitted into the dynamo cabs. $300 in super fantastic excellent with a short drive but a normal cab, no more then $150 or so

Yes there is. Not only was SFII CE available as a dedicated cabinet (Dynamo HS-5), but it was originally only available dedicated (no conversion kit offered), much to the irritation of many operators at the time.

[Malenko]

Yes there is. Not only was SFII CE available as a dedicated cabinet (Dynamo HS-5), but it was originally only available dedicated (no conversion kit offered), much to the irritation of many operators at the time.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. When most people think dedicated cab, they think "made in house with side art,marquee and control panel overlay" not "3rd party cab company puts special label on generic cab" I know crapcom was trying to force ops to buy new cabs but that the effort was short lived and the real kit version was released within months of the original release.

I still dont consider the specially labeled generic cab dedicated.

[MaximRecoil]

Yes there is. Not only was SFII CE available as a dedicated cabinet (Dynamo HS-5), but it was originally only available dedicated (no conversion kit offered), much to the irritation of many operators at the time.

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this. When most people think dedicated cab, they think "made in house with side art,marquee and control panel overlay" not "3rd party cab company puts special label on generic cab" I know crapcom was trying to force ops to buy new cabs but that the effort was short lived and the real kit version was released within months of the original release.

I still dont consider the specially labeled generic cab dedicated.

So you must also not believe that there is any such thing as a dedicated Ikari Warriors, Victory Road, Ikari III, Guerrilla War, Double Dragon, or Double Dragon II.

Also, what about Namco's deal with Midway, or with Atari? What about Taito's deal with Midway? How is that any different than Capcom's deal with Dynamo, or Capcom's deal with Romstar for that matter? Are there no dedicated Pac-Man machines in the U.S. because they were all put together by Midway rather than Namco?

If an arcade machine is sold in completed form from the factory, or from anyone the factory has outsourced to, then it is a dedicated machine. To define it any other way raises all sorts of contradictions. 

[Gavica]

so about $200 is a good deal for a good working condition one?

[MaximRecoil]

so about $200 is a good deal for a good working condition one?

Sure, if you can find one for that. People on forums often mention all these lowball prices that they've seen (which I have no doubt they've seen), but that doesn't mean that anyone can just step outside and find a machine for that price; or find a machine that you want within driving distance at all, for that matter (that's pretty much the situation where I live).

Like I said, I'd pay $400 for it if it really was in mint condition and local. That's a lot less than I could build it for, and also less than it would cost to have a $200 one purchased online shipped to you.

[Ginsu Victim]

Around here, anyone asking $400 for a SF2 won't see anyone showing up to get it until they've halved the price.

You do bring up a good point about what the market will allow per area.

[Malenko]

I still dont consider the specially labeled generic cab dedicated.

So you must also not believe that there is any such thing as a dedicated Ikari Warriors, Victory Road, Ikari III, Guerrilla War, Double Dragon, or Double Dragon II.

Also, what about Namco's deal with Midway, or with Atari? What about Taito's deal with Midway? How is that any different than Capcom's deal with Dynamo, or Capcom's deal with Romstar for that matter? Are there no dedicated Pac-Man machines in the U.S. because they were all put together by Midway rather than Namco?

If an arcade machine is sold in completed form from the factory, or from anyone the factory has outsourced to, then it is a dedicated machine. To define it any other way raises all sorts of contradictions. 

Lets not get all uppity over nothing. I had a long drawn out reply, but I don't think it is worth posting. If you really think a generic cab that wasn't specially produced for just one game is dedicated, then so be it.

[MaximRecoil]

I still dont consider the specially labeled generic cab dedicated.

So you must also not believe that there is any such thing as a dedicated Ikari Warriors, Victory Road, Ikari III, Guerrilla War, Double Dragon, or Double Dragon II.

Also, what about Namco's deal with Midway, or with Atari? What about Taito's deal with Midway? How is that any different than Capcom's deal with Dynamo, or Capcom's deal with Romstar for that matter? Are there no dedicated Pac-Man machines in the U.S. because they were all put together by Midway rather than Namco?

If an arcade machine is sold in completed form from the factory, or from anyone the factory has outsourced to, then it is a dedicated machine. To define it any other way raises all sorts of contradictions. 

Lets not get all uppity over nothing. I had a long drawn out reply, but I don't think it is worth posting. If you really think a generic cab that wasn't specially produced for just one game is dedicated, then so be it.

The Pac-Man cabinet wasn't specially produced for Pac-Man either. It was reused from Galaxian. There are many examples of this with dedicated machines.

I've already defined "dedicated" in the only logical way that it can be defined. What's your definition? So far your objections to SFII CE being dedicated have been arbitrary. I'm looking for a sensible definition of "dedicated" that would include Pac-Man as a dedicated machine, yet at the same time, exclude SFII CE.

[Malenko]

The Pac-Man cabinet wasn't specially produced for Pac-Man either. It was reused from Galaxian. There are many examples of this with dedicated machines.

I've already defined "dedicated" in the only logical way that it can be defined. What's your definition? So far your objections to SFII CE being dedicated have been arbitrary. I'm looking for a sensible definition of "dedicated" that would include Pac-Man as a dedicated machine, yet at the same time, exclude SFII CE.

Lets not get all uppity over nothing.

dont be like PBJ or Chaddles, kk?

[MaximRecoil]

The Pac-Man cabinet wasn't specially produced for Pac-Man either. It was reused from Galaxian. There are many examples of this with dedicated machines.

I've already defined "dedicated" in the only logical way that it can be defined. What's your definition? So far your objections to SFII CE being dedicated have been arbitrary. I'm looking for a sensible definition of "dedicated" that would include Pac-Man as a dedicated machine, yet at the same time, exclude SFII CE.

Lets not get all uppity over nothing.

dont be like PBJ or Chaddles, kk?

You came in here and claimed I was wrong. If you're going to claim someone is wrong, be prepared to back up your claim with facts. If you can't do that, then the intellectually honest thing to do is, withdraw your claim; you know, rather than making laughable attempts at being condescending (laughable due to your erroneous position).

[Beretta]

just my 2 cents, although i suppose i'd have to agree with the logic that any cabinet rolling out of the factory for a specific game is dedicated..

i suppose my own rule of thumb is rather or not it has full side art.. if it's just a small square sticker, then it's a conversion imo.

dedicated cabs should have large full scale side art, and the older games preferably a decorated monitor plexi glass or bezel..

personally i'd rather have straight single colored side panels then some dinky little generic sticker.

for me the dedicated cabs was mostly about their decoration.

[MaximRecoil]

just my 2 cents, although i suppose i'd have to agree with the logic that any cabinet rolling out of the factory for a specific game is dedicated..

i suppose my own rule of thumb is rather or not it has full side art.. if it's just a small square sticker, then it's a conversion imo.

dedicated cabs should have large full scale side art, and the older games preferably a decorated monitor plexi glass or bezel..

personally i'd rather have straight single colored side panels then some dinky little generic sticker.

for me the dedicated cabs was mostly about their decoration.

The first thing that comes to mind is that Pong and Computer Space didn't have sideart at all. Also there were some dedicated machines from companies such as Gremlin that had woodgrain sides with no sideart.

There were plenty of dedicated machines that didn't have full sideart. Donkey Kong's sideart for example could have worked fine as conversion kit sideart, since it was just stuck in the upper center of the side panels and didn't conform to the shape of the cabinet. The same goes for all other classic Nintendo machines in fact.

[Malenko]

You came in here and claimed I was wrong. If you're going to claim someone is wrong, be prepared to back up your claim with facts. If you can't do that, then the intellectually honest thing to do is, withdraw your claim; you know, rather than making laughable attempts at being condescending (laughable due to your erroneous position).

I was at no point condescending. Heres my description of a dedicated cab:

A cab in which you can recognize what game was in it from the factory due to art and or shape.


There is no black and white answer, there almost never is in this world. I don't consider factory conversions dedicated cabs (like POW in double dragon cabs, others may, and theres nothign wrong with that. You say SFIICE had a dedicated cab, I say Capcom bought a buncha generic cabs and put SFIICE kits in them. With that being said, I dont like the way in which you reply to me in this thread so I'm withdrawing.  There is a fine line between discussion and conflict and I prefer to not get close to it. In a perfect world you could see that we are both right, but needless to say this isnt a perfect world.

[Turnarcades]

Wow, never thought a price query thread would swing so deep so quickly...   

It's an interesting point though about how to classfy a 'dedicated cab'. I personally would call it a 'dedicated' cab even if a third-party builder put out a certain run of a specific game for a company using a formerly generic design, as things like the CPO and artwork will have been designed or modified at a factory to make it suitable for that specific cab shape. Those with proper custom-built moulded shells or built to a specific standard to best play a game by their creator's factory I would classify seperately if I was being banal, but for the sake of arguement both of these types I would call 'dedicated cabs'.

Either way I don't like to letterbox them as to me an arcade machine was assessed on the sum of it's components, not the bloke who nailed it together. Just enjoy it as is.

Back on topic, I don't think such a common game should be worth $400, as I understand the US market and current economy. 'Dedicated' classics cabs go for between £200-£1000 usually in the UK and I believe only the true classics from the golden era should break the £500 mark. I'd put a good SF2 at around £300 if it is what I define a 'dedicated' cab. To you yanks, read that as $300. 

[Ginsu Victim]

Wow, never thought a price query thread would swing so deep so quickly...  

Then you must've thought you were on a different forum.

I don't think such a common game should be worth $400, as I understand the US market and current economy.

Yeah, there was a time when you couldn't walk into a place without finding a SF or MK machine.

[FrizzleFried]

This,  i've been told,  is a "dedicated" SF-II...

I've not even opened her up so I dunno.

EDIT: Don't think so.  I think that CPO is the conversion CPO...right?

[RayB]

Call it what you will. The point some are trying to make is that a kit put in a Dynamo, or a dynamo shipped from the factory with SFII will pretty much be the same.

Anyways... 400? Ask the guy what "mint" means. Is the monitor brand new?

[Beretta]

just my 2 cents, although i suppose i'd have to agree with the logic that any cabinet rolling out of the factory for a specific game is dedicated..

i suppose my own rule of thumb is rather or not it has full side art.. if it's just a small square sticker, then it's a conversion imo.

dedicated cabs should have large full scale side art, and the older games preferably a decorated monitor plexi glass or bezel..

personally i'd rather have straight single colored side panels then some dinky little generic sticker.

for me the dedicated cabs was mostly about their decoration.

The first thing that comes to mind is that Pong and Computer Space didn't have sideart at all. Also there were some dedicated machines from companies such as Gremlin that had woodgrain sides with no sideart.

There were plenty of dedicated machines that didn't have full sideart. Donkey Kong's sideart for example could have worked fine as conversion kit sideart, since it was just stuck in the upper center of the side panels and didn't conform to the shape of the cabinet. The same goes for all other classic Nintendo machines in fact.

i am aware not all dedicated cabinets have full side art.. a perfect example sit's before us, street fighter 2 CE in a plain jane dynamo.. you kinda skipped over my first statement in my post.. logically i'd agree.. however me personally if it does'nt have large side art, or is not a farly unique cabinet design to set it self a part.. i could care less if it's a dedicated cab.. i view it as generic.

[MaximRecoil]

This,  i've been told,  is a "dedicated" SF-II...

I've not even opened her up so I dunno.

EDIT: Don't think so.  I think that CPO is the conversion CPO...right?

There were no dedicated SFII WW machines. Those were all sold as a kit. There may have been some unofficial completed machines sold by distributors in which they pre-installed the conversion kit into a new Dynamo or whatever.

That cabinet is a Dynamo HS-5, which is a 25" monitor cabinet, and the SFII WW kit was designed for 19" cabinets. That's why you can see that the bottom parts of the portraits in the artwork have been cropped off, as well as the top parts of the instructions on the bottom of the bezel. On the uncut SFII WW bezel, there is an inch or two to spare below the portraits and above the instructions.

Edit: What I don't understand is how everything is wide enough to fit (the bezel, CPO, and marquee). Maybe a 25" version of the kit was made as well.

Edit 2: BTW, how much would you sell that machine for?

[CheffoJeffo]

Dedicated is the new indestructable! 

[Jack Burton]

So what cab is this?



I thought this was the "dedicated" SFIICE.

[TPB]

I purchased a Street Fighter Zero 2 cabinet.

I believe it's called Street Fighter Alpha 2 in the U.S.

It's nothing fancy ... the cab is quite generic looking :





It's is good condition for its age, although I suspect the monitor's on the way out.  When you power it up, it takes about 40 minutes before the picture appears.  That's a lot of heat to warm up.  But if it's then powered off & straight back on again, the picture instantly appears, as the tube's still warm.

The coin mech wasn't included.  However, it does have the solid steel cash box inside, plus the coin mech's "face plate".

I love the sound.  It's got great stereo sound that pumps out of the speakers.

I also love the sheer weight and size of the cab.  It's solid as a sock.

Those two factors I love the most (the sound and the size), are the same factors that drive my wife nuts !!

I paid $500 AUD, which is about $400 U.S.  I was probably ripped off.  I'm no expert on cabs.  But in my part of the world, there's not a lot of cabs to choose from, and even fewer within "driving distance" of home to go and pick it up.

[Malenko]

400 USD for that isnt bad. sounds like a dry solder joint in the monitor, very fixable. You've got a CPS2 system so you can swap "A" boards and put games like XmenvsSF, Marvel Super Heroes, Super SFII(turbo), etc relatively cheaply. Also, that looks like a midway cab but some of the dimensions look off, it might just be a clone cab