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One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« on: December 16, 2010, 12:04:16 pm »
Ok, so I recently updated to the latest Mala, 1.73.   I was very happy to find that I was able to copy over all my config files to the new version and that I didn't have to start from scratch.   Everything seems to be working fine with the new version, from what I can tell so far, except one thing.   I am using a Mala Tree.  It goes something like this:

MY MAIN MENU
    MAME
           -All Games
           -Favorites
           -Sports
           -Platformers
           -Etc
           -Etc
           -Etc
    NINTENDO - All Games List
    SUPER NINTENDO - All Games List


Now everything is fine except for when I have to choose a category for MAME (that third level in my tree).  From my main menu, I select MAME.  It brings me to a category selection list.  The only problem is that when I go to scroll through the list of categories, the game list selection control get SUPER sensitive, and it flies through like halfway down the list, by just pressing down once.    So its even hard to select a specific item that you want.   If I tap down once, as fast as humanly possible, it still will jump a few at once.

With all the other game menus, and main menu, the up and down simply move the one item at a time they are supposed to.   It's just the Mame category screen that gets like this.   I'm not really sure what to do about this?  Do you think this is a problem with that particular layout?   But I'm confused what a layout would have to do with the scrolling speed.

I know this sounds super weird, but hopefully it makes sense what I'm trying to explain that it's doing.   Any ideas on what I should try here?
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Re: Updated to Mala 1.73 and now one of my game lists is acting weird...
« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2010, 12:18:02 pm »
I created a new layout for the MAME Categories screen, but it still acts this way.  So I guess it's not the layout file that is the problem.  Seems to be more related to how Mala I guess.  I didn't see any settings that I thought might affect this.   Any ideas?

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Re: Updated to Mala 1.73 and now one of my game lists is acting weird...
« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2010, 04:36:16 pm »
I will ponder

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Re: Updated to Mala 1.73 and now one of my game lists is acting weird...
« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2010, 05:22:35 pm »
OK, thanks!   Oh, and I have been playing with it, if you are VERY careful, you can get it to go down the list one at a time.   But it's nothing like the one at a one on the other lists.  Just wants to keep sliding on...

Let me know if you come up with anything!  It's really messing with the consistency of my menus.  :)

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Re: Updated to Mala 1.73 and now one of my game lists is acting weird...
« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2010, 05:39:01 pm »
OK, thanks!   Oh, and I have been playing with it, if you are VERY careful, you can get it to go down the list one at a time.   But it's nothing like the one at a one on the other lists.  Just wants to keep sliding on...

Let me know if you come up with anything!  It's really messing with the consistency of my menus.  :)

What version of MaLa where you using when you say it worked ok for you?

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Looks like I was using 1.0.5.8.  So it was from a ways back.

I still have the old Mala in a separate folder, just in case.   I tested it out and with the old version, it still works.  The new one does not.  I simply copied over the contents of my old Mala folder, into the new Mala folder, and did NOT overwrite any files.


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Looks like I was using 1.0.5.8.  So it was from a ways back.

I still have the old Mala in a separate folder, just in case.   I tested it out and with the old version, it still works.  The new one does not.  I simply copied over the contents of my old Mala folder, into the new Mala folder, and did NOT overwrite any files.



Cool, Thanks for that info.

Looks like I have 2 or 3 simple bugs to look at  ;D

I don't anticipate the fix's taking very long to release

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Excellent, I will keep my eye out.  If you need any more information, please let me know.   I upgraded because my old version, when I hit the Add Game to List button, it would show you a blank screen, instead of the list of game lists.   So that was pretty crucial if you want to make a Favorites list.  But the new version of Mala did correct that problem!   So once we get this scrolling issue sorted out, I will be very happy!

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FYI:

I am working on this this week

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Excellent!  Thanks for the update!   I have a busy work week this week, but I should still be available most nights this week.   So if you have questions along the way or need any more information, just let me know and I will get back to you at night!  Thanks!

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Hmmm

I recreated a MaLa tree in the same arrangement you described.

I can't recreate the problem  ???

Perhaps you can post me you mala.ini and mala.mlt files ?

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Shoot!   I hate it when you can't recreate a problem!  Makes the chances its going to get resolved plummet.      :-\

Attached are my files.  Let me know if there's anything else you need!

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Hi,

It's not a bug with the tree at all!   ;D

In fact in some ways it's good news.

The new code works faster so you need to adjust you config accordingly.

The mala.ini file you posted showed me that you settings need to change to do what you want.

Try changing options -controller- keyboard - options (Key Polling 200 and Enable Scrolling acceleration with value 10)

You also might consider changing some chosen exceptions in gui-options - display delay if you find that the above settings mean that scrolling in game lists (that have snaps and videos) scrolls to slow for you now.

Let me know how you go, probably best to wait for the new beta as I have made some minor tweaks

In any case I am changing some default settings and making some notes on the config window to make this more clear to users for the  next beta.

Cheers    :cheers:

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Download the latest beta here (link under the release version) :  http://www.malafe.net/index.php?page=download

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hey loadman, just tested it out, and sadly the category menu still zooms thru the list quickly.  So it does not appear to have fixed the issue.   Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help you troubleshoot this.  Or let me know if you think a clean install might work.   I would be willing to re-set up everything, if I knew there was a chance it'd fix this issue.

Also, while we are on the topic of bugs, the whole reason why I upgraded to the new version was because I was having an issue with the Add to Gamelist function.  Sadly it seems as though that bug still exists in the new version as well.  I have this 'Add' function assigned to it's own button on my control panel.   When the user presses this button, it leads to very inconsistent results.  Let me see if I can explain.

There appears to be a bug when pressing the 'Add to Gamelist' button which causes the 'Add to Gamelist' menu to have the wrong emulators gamelists in it, OR that no gamelists at all will appear in it.    For instance, from my tree, if I go into MAME and play around in there a little.  Not even starting a game necessarily.   Then I go back up my tree and go into Nintendo.   If I press the 'add' button on a game, sometimes all the MAME gamelists will appear in the list.  Other times when switching from system to system like this, I will press 'Add' and there will be no game lists at all in the list.  Not sure why this occurs.   I have found that if I right click and go into the options menu, change nothing, and then press OK, that this "refreshes" something, and when I press the 'Add' game button again, the correct set of gamelists do appear.    So it seems like whatever is being refreshed by going in and out of the options menu, needs to occur when switching emulators via a tree.   Hopefully that made sense.   

Along with that, I have another suggestion. It seems weird to me that there's no "Cancel" in the Add to gamelist window.   If I accidentally push the 'Add' button, there is no way I could figure out to Cancel adding the game to a gamelist.   It seems like it would make sense for a CANCEL option to appear either at the top or bottom of the list of gamelists.   What I did to circumvent this was to create an additional gamelist for each emulator that is named "<-CANCEL->"   The carrot symbol (<) at the beginning ensure that alphabetically, it will appear at the top of the list.   I did NOT add the Cancel gamelist to my tree.  That way the only way the user will know it exists, is if they press the 'Add to Gamelist' button.   So in the case of an accidental 'add' key press, they can select my Cancel gamelist, and the 'Add' screen will go away, and no one will be the wiser.   There is a shortcoming with using Cancel in this method.   For one, if you've already added the selected game to the "cancel" list in the past, and you attempt to do it again it will give you a "already in the list" sort of message.   This can be confusing to the user, if you are trying to trick them into thinking that it's just a normal Cancel option.   BUT the 'Add to gamelist' screen DOES go away after that anyway.  So, aside from the confusing message, it still works.    So anyway, that's my way I worked around getting out of the 'Add to Gamelist' screen when pressed on accident.  But it still doesn't seem right to me that there's no way to Cancel out of the 'Add' screen.   So this, in the scheme of things, is pretty minor as my workaround does work.  However, with my bug I introduced above, even my workaround doesn't do much, if the incorrect list of game lists is shown to the user.

Let me know if that all makes sense.  And if you need any more information from me regarding the fast scrolling issue, or anything else.

Thanks!

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hey loadman, just tested it out, and sadly the category menu still zooms thru the list quickly.  So it does not appear to have fixed the issue.   Let me know if there's anything else I can do to help you troubleshoot this.  Or let me know if you think a clean install might work.   I would be willing to re-set up everything, if I knew there was a chance it'd fix this issue.

Did you read my earlier post  ???

You need to change your config of keyboard poll rate.

Try changing options -controller- keyboard - options (Key Polling 200 or even higher and Enable Scrolling acceleration with value 10)

I don't think there is any way the list can scroll too fast if you make the gap between MaLa checking keyboard polls bigger

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There appears to be a bug when pressing the 'Add to Gamelist' button which causes the 'Add to Gamelist' menu to have the wrong emulators gamelists in it, OR that no gamelists at all will appear in it.

I will look at this  ;)  It appears to be a bit busted using MaLa Tree. It seems to be confused about what emulator to get the list from. I don't personally use MaLa tree and nobody has ever reported that bug before.   Thanks  :)

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Along with that, I have another suggestion. It seems weird to me that there's no "Cancel" in the Add to gamelist window.   If I accidentally push the 'Add' button, there is no way I could figure out to Cancel adding the game to a gamelist.  

 ???  You can get out of this list by hitting the assigned 'Menu Open' button.  Maybe Menu Open is not the most intuitive label   ;D





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Oh my gosh dude!  Can't believe I didn't see that.  I'm so sorry!   I just got one email notifying me of a new post and when I clicked on the link, it just brought me to the beta download link post!

Ok, so now I tried changing the poll rate and it works great!   So thank you very much for point that out!   Also noted about the display delay settings, I will have to play with those.

And I see what you mean now with the cancel button.   I guess that explains why I've never noticed that, because I don't put a Cancel button on my control panel.   In an effort to prevent clutter, I only put an Exit/Back button.   I figured I don't need to let the user ever get to any sort of mala menu.  My cabs have their own volume controls, and I made up some game lists for them, so they wouldn't use the filtering option often.   I guess for my own needs, it would seem that having the Exit button also exit out of open dialogs would better suit my needs.  Doesn't seem like that's too unreasonable.   Exit is sort of similar to cancel in that aspect, exit out of the menu, or cancel out of the menu.  But of course, I have no idea how complex it would be to change the way the Exit code functions in Mala.  Just something to think about.  Not sure if there would be any down sides to changing the Exit key so that it exits open menus/dialogs on the screen, doesn't seem like it.  But that's just my two cents.   I am find with my work around with the Cancel game list, if that's how it has to be...as long as the gamelist button works :)

About that Add to Gamelist bug.   I know it must be tiring to have everyone think that THEIR  problems are always top priority!  But I only ask because I just want to know if I should be on the look out for a new version.   But I was just wondering if you were planning to look into that bug in the near future, or the more distant future?   I am making this arcade for a (non computer literate) friend of mine, and its getting close to be ready to deliver.  I just wanted to know if I should maybe wait to deliver it until the fix is released.  Or if it will be a while, I will deliver it, and just patch it later for him.

Thank you SO MUCH for all your help on this!   I LOVE Mala and I truly appreciate all of your hard work on it!
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In an effort to prevent clutter, I only put an Exit/Back button. 

I might look into changing that if it is easy

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But I only ask because I just want to know if I should be on the look out for a new version.

Yup,  I will fix that....

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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2010, 08:22:09 pm »
Thanks again!!
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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 08:29:56 pm »
OK , I had a look and it was easy  ;D

I just changed the code so allocated 'Menu' button will take you back a menu layer (as always) , BUT the allocated Exit key will bail out of the menu no matter what level you are in.   :applaud:  I like this

So in your case this should be perfect.

I will look at the other bug (the game list appearing in MaLa tree add/remove game) later as that will take time I think

Anyway, I will wait until that is done before releasing another beta  ;D  :cheers:
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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2010, 01:29:51 am »
Great to hear!  Keep up the good work my friend.

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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2010, 01:30:31 am »
OK I think I fixed the GameList bug too.   :cheers:

I am not happy with the code change I made (inefficient) but it works  ;D

Download the latest beta here (link under the release version) : http://www.malafe.net/index.php?page=download

Let me know how you go!   :P

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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2010, 06:51:45 pm »
I made a few more minor changes: 

Download the latest beta here (link under the release version) :  http://www.malafe.net/index.php?page=download

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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #23 on: December 28, 2010, 12:53:41 am »
I made a few more minor changes: 

Download the latest beta here (link under the release version) :  http://www.malafe.net/index.php?page=download


Hmmm. I'm getting about 10-20kb/s download on that. Maybe change your file hosting?
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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #24 on: December 28, 2010, 09:11:59 am »
Hmmm. I'm getting about 10-20kb/s download on that. Maybe change your file hosting?
Mine downloaded in a flash the other day.  Just tried again now and it finished in half a second again.   So maybe it was just a temporary hiccup when you tried or something?

Also loadman, I played around with this last night for about an hour.  So far so good!  The 'Add to Gamelist' button, the Exit button bailing, and the scrolling issues appeared to all work great!  Thanks so much for this!  I will be working on this a bit more over the next coming weeks, so I will let you know if I come across any bugs!!   :cheers:

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Re: One of my 'MaLa Tree' game lists is acting weird. (Resolved)
« Reply #25 on: December 29, 2010, 02:29:52 am »
Hmmm. I'm getting about 10-20kb/s download on that. Maybe change your file hosting?
Mine downloaded in a flash the other day.  Just tried again now and it finished in half a second again.   So maybe it was just a temporary hiccup when you tried or something?

I guess, seems ok to me.