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Author Topic: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - (update - Subzero Cooling Phase change -50 c)  (Read 32394 times)

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Hi there back again.

This project is sponsored by www.Ultimarc.com
 and www.Gameex.net.




Since the making of C-Macc's i got a little board and well i have been working on plans for c-macc's 2 - the revenge :) ...

This time around ive set my goals a little higher. Now instead of Buy a arcade system im going to build one from scratch. Now i think i did post about this before but since ive lost the post ill start a new one.

The whole systems is going to be loosely based around a jab namoi cab (might be spelt incorrect).

Again like c-macc's this system will be able to play every thing and i mean every thing. Ill let the Pics of the proto Type below speed for them selfs in the form of a Vid and Pics i made in Google Sketch up.











The Video is over here on Youtube ->

[youtube]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=L6-9kRb7JEU#[/youtube]
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #1 on: January 14, 2009, 02:23:25 am »
Now the metal frame is now on its 3rd revision and this was taken yesterday of the final version im happy with. Will be adding the mounts for the LCD with in the next few days.

The stand will be able to hold any thing from a 32" LCD / OLD to a 50" easily. Allso the LCD can be angled as well from 25 degrees to 90 degrees.

Im next to it just to show the frame size.



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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #2 on: January 14, 2009, 05:16:57 am »
This.........Is going to be good.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2009, 08:20:33 am »
Time fly's when you having fun. Here is a 32" Samsung LCD Fitted. Ive taken photos at different angles on the frame. It will house up to a 50" Screen which might be just a little to big for most but when i get the chance ill show it with a larger screen later on. Time to crack on learning wood work now lol. if next time i come on and i cannot type its because ive never in my life used a new tool called a Circular saw that ive just bought hahaha ... finger liking good stuff .....


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2009, 09:38:44 am »
 :o OHHHHHHHHHHH AHHHHHHHHHHHH NICE!!!
GAME OVER

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2009, 01:30:46 pm »
I let my son help with some of the wood work at first he was doing well .....





But then he got a little fed up with it not fitting correctly so he got some thing a little larger to use to cut the wood.


















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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2009, 02:06:04 pm »
*sigh* am I the only one in the world not allowed to do woodworking in the kitchen?

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 04:14:04 pm »
No, my wife would kick my arse if I sanded something in the kitchen. Heck I can barely walk through it without getting that "look" :angry:
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2009, 04:37:20 pm »
well i have to be honest, i haven't got a garden shed, Sooooo if i bugger up her kitchen she might eventually say " I have had enough" and go by me a garden shed !!!!!!!!

hehehe i live in hope any way ....

any way a few more pic updates just to finish off the night.



Its starting to take its shape all though ive had to change some sizes its still coming along.

All so any one reading this if any one fancy some metal frames done , most any thing can be fabricated just gis a shout .....
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 07:01:13 pm »

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2009, 06:16:39 pm »
A few small updates. the back box is being redone as it just was not right.

Mounting points now welded to the frame work.

CP Parts have been ordered will some of them any way and you can see my shopping list below -

2 x UltraStik 360 Ball Top with USB cable
2 x Blue Ball top for U360
2 x UltraStik Button / Encoder Harness
1 x PacDrive USB driver board. With USB Cable ID #2
1 x Extra cables for Opti-PAC (ps2 version not usb)
26 x Ultralux Chrome Illuminated Pushbuttons (blue)
26 x Ultralux 5 Volt LEDs (Blue)
2 x Joystick Mounting Kits (for Ultrastick 360)
1 x SpinTrak Rotary Control (opti Pack Version)
1 x Knobs for SpinTrak (Blue w Flange)
1 x Flyweight for SpinTrak (Large)
1 x U-TRAK Revolutionary new arcade trackball (U-Trak Pearl white for optipac)
1 x Optional Trim Bezel for U-Trak
1 x U-Trak RGB LED Illumination Kit
1 x Trackball Adaptor Harness for Opti-PAC
1 x Crimp Connectors (100 pack)
1 x Daisy-Chain Harness
1 x I-PAC 2 Interface (Ps2 cable)
3 x PCB Mounting Feet

Still got to get some more bits but bank account is now empty for another month after buying that lot above .....

You might think some things are missing but i already have some spares from a previous build.


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2009, 06:42:26 pm »
Well some good news for me is Im now sponsored by http://www.ultimarc.com . This is good news as i love there products hence the whole control panel is being designed around there latest and best controllers.



So for all the BEST arcade controls in the UK goto http://www.ultimarc.com. all so if you do get some and see this let them know its from me ;) ....

Ill be taking close up photos of all there gear as it arrives.

All so im Sponsored by Gameex one of the best FE for arcades out there !!! I should know i love it hehe.



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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2009, 12:49:33 pm »
Well some of the new parts arrived this morning. from http://www.ultimarc.com

Ill go through wg=hat they are and what they do at a later stage.

Here are some pics of some of the cp items.










Below id pics of the Digital Ultrastick 360 being configured.




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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 05:03:09 pm »
Working on the CP











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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 05:54:42 pm »
How'd you get sponsored?!?   :hissy:

Everyone hates you now....you know that, right?  >:D

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 05:57:56 pm »
Hey, wait a sec....
I thought Andy said he was switching to Cherry switches. Those appear to still be Sanwas.  :blowup:


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 06:54:16 pm »
I don't think your CP is big enough. How you gonna be able to park both your cars under it?
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 07:04:09 pm »
Yeh the CP is quite large but since its going to have a large screen with it when its finished you'll see the reason why.

Having four players toe to toe is a pain in the ass when playing games this way all players have plenty of room. All so don't forget that there is going to be either a dvd rom or Bd rom fitted into the CP as well as draw for Xbox 360 , ps3 , dreamcast , wii controllers. The whole Cp is going to be swappable for a 2 player only control system.

As for cherry i wouldn't know these are what andy sent me.

for got to add this CP is my test bed for the hardware it might not be the final CP.
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2009, 07:09:12 am »
here you can see www.ultimarc.com , U-Trak track ball with RGB Leds running off the Pac-drive. All so the Light buttons. This is a demo Cp to test every thing out but as you can see its all coming along Nicely.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7urMokvJOZU[/youtube]
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2009, 03:59:43 pm »
Looks cool so far, but I just can't get to liking those buttons. Have you used Happs buttons before? I am wondering how they compare. I think the main thing I don't like about them is the chrome bezel. It just seems to me to cheapen the look. Otherwise, I'm liking the design. Any plans for cold cathode tubes in the computer portion? Or maybe blacklight with UV reactive dye in the liquid cooling system?

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2009, 05:06:56 pm »
I Love the buttons to be honest they have a nice strong feel to them and they feel rigid with a good strong click when depressed. They feel like many of the arcade systems of days gone by, i felt a few years back when i was a kid. I know and fully understand these are not to every ones taste but ill back them up all the way. I have 14 of these buttons , 6 for each player and 2 x player buttons on my C-Macc's 1 and they have been in there nearly 9 months plus now and they have been hammered and work perfectly.

I have had the happ buttons but again i think its each to there own and i feel as thous are to soft and don't give the rigid feel that i would like on my buttons.

Yes i might be using Cold Cathode in the base of the system with die in the water cooling loops if and when i get round to fitting it all. Im not going to go to over board though as i think to much lighting kills the system looks. There are to many systems that are over lighted and its like "the only gay in the village" shouting out in the street atop his voice making sure every ones know that HE IS the only gay in the village while wearing a Velcro florescent tank top in pink and yellow just to prove it !!!!!!!.  :o hehe.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 08:16:54 pm »
Some more shots of the Cp Being made . As you can see its changed lol ...





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« Reply #22 on: February 18, 2009, 07:56:15 am »
Is that GPS so you can get from one side of it to another?  :laugh2:

Seriously, awesome work, cant wait to see how it ends up :)

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« Reply #23 on: February 18, 2009, 08:09:28 am »
yeh the Gps is there for Till i get the touchscreen. Its the same size i need for the Cp hence im using it to give me a idea of were ill be putting the touch screen. If there was a way of interfacing it i would use the GPS but sadly there isnt lol ...

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #24 on: February 19, 2009, 05:46:50 am »
well last night i had a big cock up. I accedentley pulled off the wires to a £60 spintrak. Oh my did i cause some damage. This wasn't in any way the fault of the Spintrack but move over my fault for messing around with the CP and getting it caught of the frame work and while pulling it away ....



Lucky i figured out the pin outs and after a small amount of doing some retrace work and track repair and some soldering its now working again.



Next time ill be a little more careful ...
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« Reply #25 on: February 19, 2009, 08:52:13 am »
Why do you have what I'm assuming is a dedicated 4 way when you have 2 u360s?
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« Reply #26 on: February 19, 2009, 10:16:03 am »
Why do you have what I'm assuming is a dedicated 4 way when you have 2 u360s?

I have 2 U360s and I'd still like a dedicated 4-way. No matter how good a job the U360 does, I still want the feeling of true 4-way physical restriction.

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« Reply #27 on: February 19, 2009, 10:30:29 am »
Why do you have what I'm assuming is a dedicated 4 way when you have 2 u360s?

I have 2 U360s and I'd still like a dedicated 4-way. No matter how good a job the U360 does, I still want the feeling of true 4-way physical restriction.

/\ Exactly what I was going to say  :cheers:

Looking good mayhem, I look forward to the finished article  :)

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« Reply #28 on: February 19, 2009, 10:59:36 am »
Total agree with what is bring said above yes 4 way feels better, Much better and help scores as well as my lass will tell you.

Any way a few more pics. Still working on the CP just added the base (not permanently though) Did some more work sanding down as you can see from the wood work my skills are real poor but at least im giving it ago. I still need to some how tail the back end off as i relay am not happy at the way it looks at the back end when fitted.

I wont be able to have the draw for the Joy pads but thats fine as i can add one in the main body. Still loads of work to do but pics below any way for you all to lol at my bad wood working stills but good wood filling skills .... lol

Last pic you can see i played with my new router hehehe .. i love its lol .. ill be routing every thing round the home now.

Need to go tidy the kitchen before the lass gets home else shell kill me ...






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« Reply #29 on: February 22, 2009, 11:40:40 pm »
Been working a little more.

The CP has been Shrunk by 2.5" and the Frame arms have been cut by 2".

The Back peace has now got a False wall of 1.5" to allows cables to be hidden behind it. 1 Shelf inside has been added will do the second and third Hidden shelf for the electrics another time and loads of wood filler has been used again lol ...

Still loads of work to do but shes starting to take shape now.



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« Reply #30 on: February 23, 2009, 05:19:33 am »
Looking good.

Which button layout did you go for? The buttons seem a little far apart to me.

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« Reply #31 on: February 23, 2009, 10:24:25 am »
I did the 7 buttons for 1 and 2 player and 3 buttons for the 4 ways and 3 buttons for the spinner / roller ball all so going to add 2 pinball buttons on each side of the cab. To be real honist the buttons feel quite natural compared to a normal 6 button lay out.

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« Reply #32 on: February 23, 2009, 11:25:56 am »
I meant your the dimensions of your curved layout. The spacing seems a little far apart, maybe you have big hands  ;D

Oh well, if it works for you...

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« Reply #33 on: February 23, 2009, 01:59:45 pm »
Well how i did the lay out was to take a standard template and then place my fingers over it and then i tested it on a separate board and all so tested it out with my kids and asked how it felt and they said it was good as the normal 6 button lay out was a little fiddly (there words not mine).

We then tested it out with buttons linked up to mame on the spare board i made and it played well. So yeh it feels different to a normal standard layout but much better.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #34 on: March 06, 2009, 10:05:54 pm »
A bit more work done. The keyboard tray has been made and installed. Cannot fit a side draw for the console pas as there is just not enough room which is just a shame.  Started to smooth off the wood for the CP and spray painted the cp with a under count just to protect it for now. Pics below of the work on the cp so far.





Still more work to do but until I get the rest of the parts I need for the CP this is the limit of work I can do for now….. Its now all down to when others can either deliver my parts or finish off the work that ive requested to be done ….

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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2009, 01:11:38 pm »



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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2009, 04:14:50 pm »
I notice your pinball buttons are aligned horizontally.  I think this is the first time I have not seen that done.  Any particular reason for not doing it?  Or for doing it the way you did?


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« Reply #37 on: March 10, 2009, 04:38:01 am »
I have been planning to do that with my new cp. It is just comfy. Then you can play Vpinball and your flipper and nudge buttons are easier to rest your fingers on. Still figuring out center nudge. Maybe a 3rd button on one side, or a button in the middle I could just bump with my belly? Also where is the plunger / plunger button?

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2009, 09:58:55 am »
plunger Button is the "enter Key" so Im going to map it to another button using my Ipac. It nice having a plunger button (or even a plunger) but kids tend to lean on the CP and while playing mame if the enter key is hit it causes problems (The plunger button works well for single player CPS  but multi player is not a good idea with kids). So No plunger buttons on the front of the system.

Yes you are correct as well with the Buttons at a angle it plays and feels much smoother for the nudge. Again did the set up my spending 10 min trying out different methods and found having them angled works best. Im not following any ones CP design except my own So you see a few differences from mine to normal Cps but there all personal taste and feel and nothing to do with a nostalgic look.

I was going to do a center Nug as well but haven't found a convent place to put it lol must admit :) ... It just feel correct when you put it on the side and feels fiddly and again cannot put it on the front as again it can easily be caught. Im not going For a tilt trigger on the inside of the system as my kids tend to get carried away and "Hit" the system for get the tilt to work so ill just do with out. Call it leaning from past mistakes.
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2009, 11:35:02 am »
So are the buttons just where they felt best or are they on a 45 degree angle.  Do you use the lower button and your middle finger for the flippers, leaving the higher buttons and index finger for the nudge?

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #40 on: March 10, 2009, 01:44:25 pm »
They are at a 45 degree angle and the lower button will be the flipper and the higher button will be the Nudge. When you stand at a Arcade system you find that you leaning forward a little to play games and your arms are at a angle so even though you middle finger is longer than you second finger because your angled your fingers are naturally allied to the buttons.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #41 on: March 14, 2009, 03:55:42 pm »
Well i Primed the CP (gray) and sanded it down with grade 200 wet and dry and it now has a near perfect smooth finish ready for the first black coat. all so got some Plastic for the top. Ive routed it into shape and it's ready to be fitted. I used a very low setting for the router and it made prefect shape of the Cp. Problem is while routing i knocked and smashed my camera on the floor. So no pics atm. Need to sort out my camera.

All so been doing some other work but its mainly little fiddle bits that are not worth chatting about lol ....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #42 on: March 19, 2009, 02:16:15 pm »
Some Guides i made for installing PCB's

J-Pac Guide



2 Player I-Pac



Pac Drive



Opti Pac Guide


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #43 on: March 24, 2009, 02:09:19 pm »
Time for a small Update.

Well i have put in the shelfs and allso been working on the Doors for the front.

Here you can see the work done on the front.





I then did the door with White plastic Spay can undercoat as per OMDs build logs and then the surrounding frame with black plastic under coat. Once that had dried i used Grit 2000 wet and dry and sanded down . I then did a fine mist of white on the black and black on the white and again rubbed it down with 2000 Grit wet and dry. This revealed a fair few dimples and large deep air lines marks on the wood so i filled them and sanded it down again. I then re undercoated it all.

Iafter 24 hours in the airing cupboard and a pre warning to every one in the house to stay out i then pulled them out to find a grate big dent across one of the door (was i annoyed i think so) My kids had thrown in some plastic toys and damaged them ...

So again after filling and redoing the under coat and another 24 hours i then used Gloss white car spay paint on the doors and Matt black on the frame work. And again after sanding down with 2000 Grit wet and dry and re doing it all again a few times i then left them 24 hours to harden ad dry but this time i fitted a lock on the airing cupboard to stop any mishaps lol ....
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Once the 24 hours was up i then re sanded them down with 2000 grit wet and dry and applied several coats of clear Lacquer and left them for 8 hours and then wet and dried and re lacquered them. Once that was done and dryed after 24 hours i then fitted the locks.

I still need to polish them but ill do that laster on. Pics below ...




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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #44 on: March 24, 2009, 02:15:41 pm »
Wow dude - nice job on those doors.  Any chance you could provide links to the paint you used?  Was it just spray from a can or do you have a paint gun?  Looks factory fresh!   :cheers:

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #45 on: March 24, 2009, 02:23:08 pm »
Spay can from a normal car shop. The Paint was the following

hycote -

Plastic Coat black Filler / primer
Plastic Coat white Filler / primer
Matt Black Acrylic
Gloss White Acrylic
Clear Lacquer Acrylic



There still not perfect as from a distance you can still see if you look carefully some small signs off wood grain all though ive tried my best to remove the signs its made of wood.  There is mainly quite allot of painting and sanding hence why my updates haven't been in a while.
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #46 on: March 24, 2009, 03:28:23 pm »
I know your pain, believe me.  I'll have to check that stuff out on something small like a fight stick.  I love the look when it is finished but it's debatable whether it is worth the effort...  well, of course it is worth it looking back but man when you are in the middle of it...   :cheers:

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« Reply #47 on: March 24, 2009, 07:15:13 pm »
Very clean!  That final polish will bring them up looking a treat.  I love the black and white, it really suits the style of the cab.  It is exhausting getting the nice finish but definitely worth it.   :cheers:

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« Reply #48 on: March 24, 2009, 08:05:06 pm »
hehe Ond mate i because of you they look so nice.. Im dreading doing the back box .. lol . Im only going to do the out side though and ill just use normal paint on the inside as  consoles are going inside and it would scratch to hell lol ... Ive t cutted them now and polished them down and the white is a lovely deep white and the black is a Moodish  less shiny dark black. I didn't what to make the black to shiny as it would just look to shiny if you know what i mean.

The back of both doors are just triple painted black with normal wood pain to keep them free from bad stuff. No point going onver bord on the back its just a waste of time and money lol .

The door them selfs and 2 cans of white pain and 2 cans of varnish and 3 cans of Plastic coat on them now lol ...

tryed to take photos now of the door and well my camera will not focus on them lol ,,,,,

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #49 on: March 25, 2009, 11:46:06 am »
Just placed a order for this.




Looking forward to implementing this into the CP.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #50 on: March 30, 2009, 11:10:28 am »
I had to change the moniter to a VGA connection version.

So i have orderd this from http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/

Lilliput EBY701-NP/C/T



Now for the specs

Specifications:

MODEL:EBY701-NP/C/T
COLOR SYSTEM:PAL-4.43 / NTSC-3.58
DISPLAY SCREEN: Diagonal 7 inches/ 178mm (15:9)
DOTS PIXELS:1152000 pixels(800*480)
AUDIO OUTPUT: ≥100mW
CONTRAST RATIO:200:1
BRIGHTNESS: 400cd/m2
VIEWING ANGLE: 45/60(U/D),65/65(L/R)
INPUT VOLTAGE: DC 11-13V
POWER CONSUMPATION: ≤10W
DIMENSION (mm): 192×115×30


Now after much research i found that the 800*480 is just the moniters Res. Ill be running it at 800*600 giving me full scope to run it with GameEX.

Ill post more info and pics of this excelent peace of eqipment once it arrives.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2009, 05:32:37 am »
Working on another panel, this time its the base panel.

Again we start buy getting a send belt sander and then using 100 Git run it over the whole board. This rips up the rubbish revealing all the pits and tears and holes. Then using filler i fill what i can see and trust me what i can see is only half of what is there.

Pic's of the wood before i start -





First set of filler layerd down






Then i sand it down with set and dry 180 Grit and then take another look. Again there is still loads of pits and holes so off i go again filling and sanding. I had to do this 5 times and it took about 3 hours to do.

1st coat of filler / primer and again more filler.





3rd primer filler and sanding.



Once i was fairly happy i then used Prim filler and undercoat from a spay can and then give it a good spay over. I do this 4 times at 15 min intervals. Once its dried i look again and fill all the holes and pit with filler and then again sand down with 180 grit wet and dry. Once the ready i then layer over 3 more coats of filler / primer. This takes about 40 min to do. And again I look for more bits and holes and marks and again i do the same as before. All in all its takes about 12 hours to do to get its close as possible to what i would call near flat.
5th sander filler and priming....




Getting there ....
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2009, 09:22:06 am »
Added 1 coat of plastic primer after sanding down with 1200 Grit wet and dry.




then a second coat again sanded with wet and dry 1200 grit after 1/2 hour





and then stuck in the airing cubord for 24 hours .....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #53 on: April 01, 2009, 12:49:40 pm »
Lilliput EBY701-NP/C/T

Well My little Lilliput arrived from http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/ today. I must admit I'm very happy with it. there are a couple of niggles but these can easily be overcome. Any way on with a small review of the item in question the Lilliput EBY701-NP/C/T.

Delviery.
The screen came well packed in a over sized box. First it had Bubble warp around it then polasyrene Peanuts. This was excellent and only took 2 days to arrive. Thank you to  http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/ , some places like to make you wait so that a big plus point.
The Box on the outside doesn't really contain that much info and is a pretty normal boxed LCD. There is a Photo on the front that has a picture but this is not of the actual tft screen its of another screen the HR 701-NP which got me a little confused at first as i did not order that version. Photos below of the box.



Whats inside the box
on opening the box you  get a small flap with "Car Entertainment world" Written across it. On opening this flap you get to see it all neatly in place and well sealed up and a nice piece of paper warning you to check everything  before you remove the seals. If you remove the seals and something is missing you will get a restock Charge of 25% which would equate to Approx a £40 charge this  is quite a stark realty check. It all so Warns that if the seal is broken then the screen the warranty is Void (Consider it Void before i even opened the box) .... Taking note of these pre warnings i then put it to the side.
Below you can see a nice selection of cables and the wrapped TFT Touch screen. You get the following Items with the screen.
•   VGA extension lead with USB adapter
•   AVI  / Sound / VGA Brake out lead
•   Docking station for the screen with a Sticker on it for mounting on dashboards if you so require.
•   Small remote control
•   UK power adapter rated at 12V * 200 Milliamps
•   A cigarette Lighter Power Supply with Suppressor (nice to see)
•   Black and white Manuel
•   Driver CD for touch screen interface.






Once all the packing was removed  and checked for damaged i took a look at the screen it self. Now the screen feels quite heavy which is a good sign and feels quite robust. The buttons have a nice solid click to them when depressed and are raised about 1 mm from the surface. You can see the IR receiver is  Just above the buttons on the right which doesn't look out of place and is in a good position. I hate receivers at the bottom of the screen as sometimes you have to lower the remote for it to work correctly.  One thing i was suppressed not to find was a protective plastic layer over the screen itself.




On the back side there isn't that much to see. You get the Sticker with the model no but there is no serial number which was different. On the left hand side you can see the Brake out cable input as well as the power supply plug point. You can all so see the speaker holes to the left on the back plate. and the mounting point for the dash board mount. One thing i noticed straight away was there are plenty of air vents dotted around the back and again this is good to see. All so there is a Styles' holder on the back left with a styles inside.




Will update after my tea ....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #54 on: April 02, 2009, 09:05:04 am »
Oky more info on the Lilliput EBY701-NP/C/T from http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/.
The brake out cable for the touch screen is very well made it has 2 Wings that you depress to fit the lead to the monitor. It is very good as once it is fitted it is going no ware fast. The powe cable is standard and has none of these features.
Photo of the lead.....

The pen
Once thing im not to impressed with is the Pen that comes with the system. after a little play i found the pen feels like it is scratching the surface of the screen and feels real cheap in dead. After 2 times of pulling it out of it recess of the back of the screen it then became lose. The pen now doesn't seem to hold its place very well. So my advice would be to go out and buy some nice pens for the Nintendo ds instead as these feel much smoother but will not fit in the back which is a shame.

The remote control.
To my surprise it also came with a remote which i didn't see till it fell out of the box from its hidden recess. Now the remove is a very cheaply made remote. It can turn off and on the monitor and flick between the  av / Tv settings quite easily. At distance its to say the least a bit dodgy mind you saying that its not a bad thing as these were made for a car not a living room so its not a big problem. One thing ill say which may sound a little wired is that it did not change over my 42" Samsung TV in my living Room. Why did i say that .... well its because i have several MP3 player's that have these cheap controls and when playing with them in the past they have turned over East Enders (which does not impress my lass) this one didn't do that thank god ...
Pictures of the remote... (ill take some after as ive just found it lol)

Installation of the Lilliput EBY701-NP/C/T.
One thing that was missing from the box is the fact it doesn't come with a DVI to VGA converter but to be honest at the price its cost it is defiantly not a deal breaker. You can get you off line for as little as £1.50 if you look round or by asking at your local computer supplier. Now the Brake out cable comes in two sections. There is a din style plug on the end that connects the VGA brake out section. All you do is screw this together. Again nice idea as this stops it from being pulled apart. The total length of the cable is approx 4 foot which is a good length. This can be extended with a monitor extension cable.  There is also Audio in built into the cable(mono only) but these are only a few cm long so you'll need to get a extension cable for them if you like to use the sound on the screen. I won't be testing the sound as i have no need to use it. There is all so 2 yes 2 RCA jacks for video. I presume these are for extra systems on a car for the likes of reversing and the like. But that is handy to know for maybe a hidden 3rd screen for system setting and such things ;) ...






USB - 4 wire retentive Touch screen system and software.
On the brake out able there is a USB 2 cable that attaches to the PC for the Touch screen system. Do not install this until you have used the driver cd and installed your drivers . Now for a list of supported systems that the software supports ...
•   Windows 98 SE, ME, NT, 2000, Xp , Xp 64, Vista 32, Vista 64, Dos (in fact all MS OS's)
•   Linux
•   Mac
•   Windows CE
•   Embedded XP 
•   HP Digitizer 32 and 64
•   QNX Neutrino RTOS v6.3
(now come on this is excellent i think some Hardware makers need to take note of this company)
The CD also contains OLD drivers and PD Documents for the system and even teaches you how to build your own modules for Linux (My lass had to revive me after i saw that).....
Now the software is created by eGalax - http://210.64.17.162/web20/eg/drivers.htm (Driver there) Just in case you need them. Latest Version is 5.0.1.5310.
Ill not go into the software to much but it contains every you need to get the system up and running and works well. I have tested on Xp , Xp 64, Vista and Vista 64 without any problems what so ever.

More to come on the screen

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #55 on: April 02, 2009, 09:08:47 am »
Sorry if I missed it but what is the screen for?

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« Reply #56 on: April 02, 2009, 09:53:01 am »
!) Juke Box mode. Touch the screen and play that tune
2) Extra info during mame - Screen shots , Marquee, Cabs, ect ect
3) Extra info for games
4) System Info
5) Touch screen games
6) Nitendo DS ;) ..........

The list is endless. Oh to have some thing not many other have ... lol


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61QsSA5t7D8[/youtube]

P.s This is why game ex rocks ............
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« Reply #57 on: April 02, 2009, 11:20:36 am »
pretty slick!

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« Reply #58 on: April 02, 2009, 11:15:55 pm »
On with some painting .

The base bord was then smoothed down with wet and dry 1200 grit and then painted with Black spray paint.



after 4 coats of black paint and then sanded down with 2000 grit wet and dry.



Then i layerd 6 coats of Varnish on the wood and wet and dryed each coat with 2000 Grit wet and dry and then once it all had dryed after 24 hours added the rails.




As you can see the rails extend right out and this is how the pc will be fully accessable from the front of the cab. To add to that the Rail allso unclip off allowing the Pc tray to be un hooked and worked on with out the need to be near the cab :) ...

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« Reply #59 on: April 03, 2009, 11:59:22 am »
thats gonna be sweet man.

I'm gonna have to steal that idea for my cab. Put the rails on the base of the case, add a top board that the PCB's are all mounted to, and have the front of the case open and hang from support chains.


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« Reply #60 on: April 05, 2009, 09:45:59 am »
Thks Gatsu any one can steal my idears lol .....

Bad wood working skills test fiiting the TS to a CP. Its a little tight but it goes lol ..

Had to lose the warrenty though :) .... Speaker has been remove and the back pannel has gone to boot as well. Ive sticky taped the back PCB to the back of the screen to hold it into place. that babys is going no ware fast i can tell you.

This is not the final (could be though) but more over giveing me idears how to fit it.






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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #61 on: April 07, 2009, 01:03:30 pm »
Well a few more updates.

I've been working in the crazy British weather. One min it dry and lovely next is pissing down with rain and boy does that annoy some one whose just spent a few hours spay painting. Any way on with the show as such ...

To start off with I Painted the top Sliding draw for the PC to fit on and then after a few days of it hardening in the airing cupboard i proceed to use T-Cut and polish on the wood to get a smooth deep shine.






After a few about 20 min of letting the polish filtrate i then give it a good rub down with a cloth.





As you would expect it has a nice deep fish to it.
Next I proceed with the Touch screen Cp and sanded it down and then undercoated it a few times. Pics of it in different stages below.











The low and behold it started to rain ... arrrrrr...




After drying it down and waiting for the rain to stop i then did a quick sand down with 1200 grit wet and dry and then spayed plastic coating over the top.



The once that is dry you supposed to wait 24 hours lol ... did i hell. I then started to paint it.

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« Reply #62 on: April 07, 2009, 01:09:55 pm »
This is the vairous stages of layering paint on the lcd CP ...











Then off to dry in the airing cuboard

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« Reply #63 on: April 09, 2009, 12:39:58 pm »
Another load of build pics for you to looks at. First we have the LCD mock yp set up and then its been layered with varnish. There is how ever still some damage to the system due to the lovely British weather but that's just life. im sure once my kids get their hands on it it would be worse ...









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« Reply #64 on: April 09, 2009, 12:47:22 pm »
Then i fixed the LCD section to the base CP and then re sprayed it a few more times ..





Once that was all dry i then polished it down. you'll notice some damaged due to the weather but that is just life and since there i need to put a graphics and also a plastic over the top its not to much of a problem.








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« Reply #65 on: April 09, 2009, 02:14:13 pm »
and to complete this round. here are some photos of hopefully what its starting to look like....







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« Reply #66 on: April 10, 2009, 12:43:37 am »
Is the Screen friction fit or is there some mount point?

Im loosely considering using that unit. Do you think taking the back plate off, routing a pocket and drilling screw holes to match. Then you could use longer matching bolts to hold it in place.

Otherwise I am thinking of an aluminum bracket and plastic standoffs to screw to.

How thick is it with the back cover off?

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« Reply #67 on: April 10, 2009, 03:34:36 am »
I just used it as a push fit (friction) be careful though with the back off the frame of the ts becomes very unsteady and to much pressure will brake the screen.. the wood braces it in and it will go no further back. I removed the back as the mounting point for the Stand that normally fit the car stand come into contact with the cp. Meaning its to thick so by removing the back and then hot glueing the PCB to the back of the screen it mounts in perfectly giving me just 4 mm of room left. U save off approx 4 to 6mm from the size of the screen by taking off the back. Mind you you all so lose the warranty as well. So my advice is not to do it unless you like throwing £135 down the drain.

The screen is mounted at a 45 deg angle so you get a optimum view to the screen when you look down at it. and all so is perfect for using as a touch screen system. Ive seen people put screen in computers all the time but they don't do it properly and the screen is fine if your a midget looking on your knees at it lol but other wise just a useless show off peace. the idea for this is to be of some real use and complement the system as a whole and make it more user friendly.

Im still working out the bugs atm with it and i am having to use and create a lot of macros to move things about to set screen sizes and spit screens for proms as they don't do it automatic. The biggest problem is if you change res for any reason then the TS loses sync and has to be redone again.

What ever you do though DO NOT get a software based TS else when you come to play moves or any thing open GL / Direct x biased it will not work. I had to do quite a of of research before i got this particular screen. The software based ones are fine for maybe a bit of msn or yahoo apps but any thing past the basics there no good.

this is the model i went for

http://www.carcomputer.co.uk/component/page,shop.product_details/flypage,shop.flypage/product_id,154/category_id,46/manufacturer_id,0/option,com_virtuemart/Itemid,26/

its quite a impressive peace of kit for what you pay compared to some of the higher priced models and works very well. There are full metal frame version but your looking in the access of £200 + vat + delivery. All so they hare hard wired 12 volts systems. This inst and can be used via a 12 volt DC adapter that comes with it or a cigarette lighter socket which you then can splice into and tap into your 12V supply on you pc providing you have enough duce left over to run it.

I all so advise toy to run it direct from a USB 2 port or though a powered hub to get the best from the 4 wire touch screen. All so make sure you update the drivers (don't use the ones that come with it there a tad dodgy)...
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #68 on: April 11, 2009, 07:04:53 pm »
Just got my 1/2 bugged camera back so here some photos of the cp so far. Hopefully there a little better.

If fitted some more stuff but there is still a lot more work to do.






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« Reply #69 on: April 11, 2009, 07:44:01 pm »
Hmm, when you disassembled the display do you think it is possible to remove the front plastic case as well and mount the screen using its normal mount points?

I am considering a screen for my panel, but I think the front bezel and buttons are not necessary, Are the buttons on their own pcb?

Also I'm trying to locate a native 800x600 of roughly the same size.
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« Reply #70 on: April 11, 2009, 08:38:31 pm »
800x600 wide screen not possible native at 7" ...

You can discount but your going to need to at least have access to the remote side. You can remove from it cover and hard wire a on/off switch to the system. i Didn't go that was as i think its looks fine the way it is.

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« Reply #71 on: April 11, 2009, 10:40:32 pm »
If you apply 12V power to it will it come on by itself, or do you also have to press its power button? I am kind of assuming you could leave the buttons under the Panel for adjustments, but not normally need them.

I haven't found one yet, but I assume that someone has a stranded aspect ratio in 7 to 8 inch screens.

I dont want to run non native. Do you get a large loss of crispness pushing a non native res?
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« Reply #72 on: April 12, 2009, 06:24:30 am »
Ah now i would be the worst person to answer that.  I need to wear glasses and i don't have any atm.

As far as i know and can tell with my screen its perfect up to 1024 res. any higher its looks oky but i cannot read a thing.

Running it at 1600 looks impressive but is a waste of time.

If you apply 12 V it just goes into standby mode like most LCD's that are build. you need to bring it out of standby mode.
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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #73 on: April 14, 2009, 09:52:54 am »
The Frame is back and i very  happy with it.  I can now start to crack on with the other bits that need doing. Here is a few PIcs in the state of play its in now any way.














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« Reply #74 on: April 14, 2009, 11:07:11 am »
This is the PC shelf installed and ready to go. as you can see it comes out quite far giving enough room to work on it. It can all so detach and allow the pc to be moved else ware to be worked on. All so close up pics of some of the controls with in the cp. There is still the wiring to do yet but that will be done later on ....







That's all for today. I need to know work on the back box and its going to take some time.

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« Reply #75 on: April 14, 2009, 10:46:54 pm »
Half way through build Video

[youtube]pK8VaJ6lR5Q[/youtube]

Enjoy .....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #76 on: April 19, 2009, 03:30:02 pm »
Learning the basics of etching and working on some plastic just to test out my bad skills. ive never done anything like this before so i just jumped in with both feet and made my own dremmel holder and spent 20min testing out my skills .. My god does your arm feel like it's just gone 10 round with some woman's (some men's in today's climate as well) favourite toy ......

p.s  I feel my tennis elbow come back very soon !!!!!

Pics below of my rubbish attempts lol ....









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« Reply #77 on: April 19, 2009, 05:44:19 pm »
thats pretty interesting. I like the alien designs. Where are those gonna go on the cab?

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« Reply #78 on: April 19, 2009, 07:17:34 pm »
thks Gatsu. there not the final aliens. im just learning how to do it for the moment. I have a design in mind but need to get this down with out making mistakes first and practice before i do the rest of the arcade.

The scene will be going on the Cp and the side window for the pc ..

last one for the night ..




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« Reply #79 on: April 19, 2009, 11:19:34 pm »
you must have a steady hand and alot of patience..those look really good.
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« Reply #80 on: April 20, 2009, 04:29:21 pm »
you must have a steady hand and alot of patience..those look really good.

Thks and not really hehe. Its quite calming ..

a bit more test etching. I don't think the Bumps on the egg worked out very well but hay ho its all about learning. Im now going to attempt to do the aliens allot smaller now as the sizes i have done are quite large and my Cp doest require them to be that big. So ill now have a go at doing them 1/2 the size while seeing if i can still retain the detail. If that works we can see how things go from there.
Pics below of the face hugger coming out of a egg. This took about 25 min to make. Not to happy with it though. I think the best design so far is the second alien.





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« Reply #81 on: April 20, 2009, 08:03:02 pm »
dude...that face huggers vagina/penis thing is lookin at me.  :o

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« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2009, 09:50:33 pm »
lol Giger's Alien's do have the Phallic symbols written all over them ... Might be why they were so popular to people they just didn't know what they were looking at lol ...

To be real honest i think most art work esp horror wise is quite Phallic in one way or another very much like most things in this world but i all so believe it to be what some don't see others do .

All so saying that it might explain why my lass said to me "You cannot stick that on it" and me being clueless couldn't understand what she was going on about ... All the more reason to stick it in now hahaha ...

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #83 on: April 21, 2009, 11:26:49 am »
Hello bud, great build so far. Can't wait until it's done. I couldn't help but notice that you have plans for an Xbox 360 in the cabinet. Is there any way to interface the Ultrastik 360s to the Xbox's analog sticks... and have it actually behave in analog more? Or I imagine you are simply going to use wireless controllers for Xbox 360 control?

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« Reply #84 on: April 21, 2009, 12:07:07 pm »
Thank you.

Ive only tested them on the ps3 and they worked. I have extra pads for the 360 so haven't really tested them out on that yet. I might work on that later on once i get to that point. The sticks are programmable so i presume they should be able work all though i could be wrong.

You could fire a email off to andy at ultimarc.com and ask him if it works. he would be the best person to ask ;) .
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« Reply #85 on: April 24, 2009, 06:54:01 am »
This is a very fast dirty test to check out lighting on the alien designs. Just to see what it would look like. I can see the 3mm led's really are not enough to light up a full panel so ill have to try out some 5mm led's next to see what effect they will have.

The 3mm btw have been drilled into the plastic but like all things that come from Hong Kong only 1/2 of them work lol ....





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« Reply #86 on: April 24, 2009, 08:55:18 am »
The 3mm btw have been drilled into the plastic but like all things that come from Hong Kong only 1/2 of them work lol ....

I've picked up a lot of leds from Hong Kong and they usually work out pretty well, although I've a couple that  blow out as soon as I've powered them up.
I really like where you're going with the etched cp.  :applaud:

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« Reply #87 on: April 24, 2009, 11:38:01 am »
The 3mm btw have been drilled into the plastic but like all things that come from Hong Kong only 1/2 of them work lol ....

I've picked up a lot of leds from Hong Kong and they usually work out pretty well, although I've a couple that  blow out as soon as I've powered them up.
I really like where you're going with the etched cp.  :applaud:

It might be my suppler being so totally Wrapp (replace the w with a c) lol ......

Im going to order some strip lighting (blue) for it. There is 30 Bright Led's on a strip that is bendable so it will show up the effect better. I've just trashed every thing else for now and im awaiting my dammed printer ink (god some suppliers of stuff are just lazy) so i can do some more designs and see how they look.

I might do what i did with my old xbox and give the CP a little more umph to it.

to show what i mean here is a old vid of my old xbox ...

[youtube]SWbj_ixZ_5M[/youtube]

I might do this around the CP. Its been a while since i did it but im sure i can do it again.

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« Reply #88 on: April 25, 2009, 09:43:12 am »
Must admit its not easy this time I'm trying to learn to feather touch and see how it comes out. When doing it lightly you hardly see the work your doing (or it could be because i have bad light) any way i tried doing this with the lowest dremmel points ...




After a second look i then re did the head with a larger point to make it stick out more. I think its a fine line between what looks good and what doesn't lol ...


<img src="http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/mlwood2008/etching/010-1.jpg">

Then added a CCFL tube just to test it out for idea's ... Its so dammed hard taking good photos of this stuff lol ...




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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - "Come play with me" !!!!!
« Reply #89 on: April 27, 2009, 08:35:03 pm »
Working on cab etchings now as i type this (just having a rest)







These are quite close up as the image is only approx 2" in hight and about 3.5" in width. So it looks a little wobbly but then again i haven't cleaned it up yet neither.

Oky first alien finished on the CP ...

Need to do more work but you'll get the jist of what im up to ...


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Alien Etching On the CP
« Reply #90 on: April 27, 2009, 10:47:54 pm »
Nearly finished second one. Hands aces so ive stopped but here's the pics any way ....







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« Reply #91 on: April 27, 2009, 10:49:33 pm »
These are turning out fantastic.  Really looking forward to seeing everything put together and lit up!

So once again, we find that evil of the past seeps into the present like salad dressing through cheap wax paper, mixing memory and desire.

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« Reply #92 on: April 28, 2009, 12:02:01 am »
These are turning out fantastic.  Really looking forward to seeing everything put together and lit up!

My lighting is rubbish atm , but to give you a idea with some bad red cold cathode tubes here you. they don't relay give it enough effect and it took 50 pics before i got a few to look oky ...

Ill be getting some much strong Leds later on to test it out better.








this shot came out really wired but looks unreal ...


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Alien Etching On the CP
« Reply #93 on: April 29, 2009, 05:11:11 pm »
Here are a few pics inc back of my head caught in the act lol ...

What im doing is.

1) wiring
2) Setting up led lights on the buttons
3) setting up joysticks and digital out puts
4) wiring up the second LCD and touch screen
5) wiring up / leds and roller ball
6) sequencing the lights
7) testing it all works

The Cp is not lighted on the perspex just yet ill do that later on i think ive had enough of leds over the last few days.








last but not least this Cp weighs a tonne lol ...

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Light show !!! Video just standard rubbish .....
« Reply #94 on: April 29, 2009, 09:47:43 pm »
here you go ...

[youtube]InIPew47nGg[/youtube]

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« Reply #95 on: April 30, 2009, 07:27:58 am »
 8)
Awesome

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Holy cow ive been nominated on Bi Tech for mod of the moth. Wow that is truly a awesome achievement for me.

Please vote if you think it deserves a win ..

View here ->

http://www.bit-tech.net/modding/mod-of-the-month/2009/04/30/mod-of-the-month-april-2009/1

Vote here ->

http://forums.bit-tech.net/showthread.php?t=167580

Thank you

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Bi Tech Mod of the month nominee
« Reply #97 on: May 01, 2009, 08:51:46 pm »
Oky last 48 hours i been hammering away at this thing to get the Cp in a near finished state. Tomorrow ill start work on the back box. Here are some more pics and Vid of the Cp working. some one posted saying the music to the Vid (not on this forum) was set up and it wasn't in sync thinking that the Leds are all pre programmed and not to music sooo ... ive posted a new vid to to null and void that point.

All so updated some pics of the Cp showing the lighting on the cp with the perspex now lit up. that all so goes to music but i forget to turn it on in the vid. You can see the lighting much better in life than what a cheap £50 camera can record but hay that's life i cannot afford to do this and by a camera at the same time.

Some of us are currently out of work hehe ...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQDHs-wy6cI[/youtube]






p.s thks for the heads up tom on linking vids.

i will now start working on the back box for the system so there wont be many updates now as that is going to take all my time up....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Bi Tech Mod of the month nominee
« Reply #98 on: May 05, 2009, 12:17:33 pm »
Small update's as such.

First off you can see the Cp is being tested and the best way to test give it to the family and let them lose .... lol. mrs pac man getting tested on the 4 way.

My lass's score has increased so it defiantly working with the dedicated 4 way joy stick she could never get onto more than level 6. she managed level 15 ... so she's happy (she wont be if she see's these pics though lol)





Some pics of the back box being worked on. Ive drilled 3 holes for the 120mm fans to cool the Consoles down there will be another 3 on the other side to. one thing i learnt with c-macc's 1 was that consoles just create if not more heat than a pc and enclosing them forces the temperature to abnormal levels if not ventilated correctly so we have sold that problem before it even arises.





The reason why the holes look more forward is there is a 1" false wall to hide the cabling to the system and i need the holes to give good air flow hence they are in the middle of the shelf now the back box.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Bi Tech Mod of the month nominee
« Reply #99 on: May 07, 2009, 02:54:31 pm »
This is called rushing to meet demands !!!!!!!

No back box fitted just yet nothing i can do to get that ready in time ...

32" Samsung TV fitted 1/2 complete assembly ...

Blew Up PC while rushing around and dropped screw driver on a live mother board haha. Not a problem though stolen one of the kids for the moment.

Cables from TV to System hidden for now with twist ties later on this will be done with plastic square tubing.




At least you get the idea were its heading ....

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Bi Tech Mod of the month nominee
« Reply #100 on: May 08, 2009, 02:53:15 pm »
First we start with karaoke .. Sun fly disks playing ->




Then we have Album Player with Mini Lyric's running on main screen and Album Player o the touch screen.




Then we have Mame running ...




And then kids testing out the system ...





I've still not finished the back box due to money limitations and having to get new hardware. I will do that later on when i can afford to buy the electronics that i need to fit. Im all so going to work up a 2 player none Touch screen CP without the keyboard just to show how you can change the system to your own needs of the system. This will be 2 x thinner than the current cp. All so i can show how it only takes 1 min to swap out the control panels.

The possibilities are endless to what i can do to this frame work.. But the question would be "Would you have one of these in your home ?"

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #101 on: May 15, 2009, 11:17:29 pm »
Well getting back up to speed my leds arrived this morning.

hehe i knew they were small but forgot how small they were.

I have ordered 500 SMD leds and here is the pic's and yes these are for C-Macc's.



The pic is just show show you how small my Smd's really are





All so Get various other leds 5mm / 3mm  to try out some idea's that ill be attempting for the control panel. If what i have in mind works Then Its going to be a rite beauty.




All so some other pics of some of the items i have now.



If any one knows about xbox modding they will know what this is. Oh and no its not going into a xbox its going into my cp for some thing really nice.

Im still awaiting more of my orders to come before i proceed.

Dont you just hate it when ppl just plant photos online and then don't tell you what they are up to lol ...

Been having a Good think about the way im going to be setting up my leds and chaser set up.

Any way i have been thinking after looking around every one seems to use simple  1 colour set up were as i can go a bit mental and throw in a RGB led and make it look totally different. The only problem would be, it could possible look to much like Christmas has come early.

This would be the way i would be doing each string of RGB leds as a diagram but dont know if i should proceed this way.



There would be 10 of these strings set up ... Hmm should i stick to maybe just red or should i go mental and do a full RGB spread ?

What do you people think ......

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #102 on: May 16, 2009, 07:41:43 am »
Soldering Tools

To do a good job and not bodge it to much there are some very cheap and inexpensive tools you can use in the aid of soldering. Many people just use their hands which is quite fine but there are some serious repercussions with this method in the least the ability to burn yourself very seriously.

So here is a list of just some of the tools that we can use in out arsenal.

Picks , brushes and Pointers.

These are excellent for removing and cleaning up joints and help in the movement of small SMD's. some people use their fingers as well but to be honest is not a good idea. when you use you fingers you end up transfusing grease form you hands to the electrical components which in turn can cause many problems. These cost about £3 for a set at the cheap end like mine or you can go for the more expensive set for about £10.



Tweezers
 
If you didn't know there are many varieties of tweezers out there and the most common is the version you pick up from you local store or chemist that are used to pull eyebrows or spelks out of people skin these are no good at all for soldering there just to clumsy. What you need is a decent pair with nice pointed tips or even the type that doctors use with a bend in them. The ones pictured below are clock makers tweezers and they have very very fine tips on them which is perfect for moving and handling SMD's and LED's. These Clock Makers tweezers cost about £4.50 for a set but you can pay anything up to £10 for a small set or even just one.



Clock makers , Jewellers eye glass

These come in various forms from x5 right up to x25 times. I personally have a x10 one which is excellent for checking soldering on SMD's and legs on chips. You can easily pick out bridges and mistakes with these. Not everyone uses them but since it only costs about £2.50 for cheap one it is a worthwhile investment in the long term.



Soldering Braid

Now when you make mistakes this stuff is unbelievably handy stuff to have around. Braid is used to Mop up excess solder and can help in the cleaning of mistakes and bridges that you may have created. It comes in various widths and lengths. However a little warning the really cheap stuff is rubbish and makes more of a mess than anything else. It only costs a few pence more for decent stuff. It should cost no more than that £1 to £5 depending on the length you buy.



Helping Hands

One of the best tools ever created for doing soldering. These little babies can hold you PCB steady for you while you work. Not only do they hold them they all have a nice medium magnify glass to help and aid in the LED's and SMD's onto you PCB or Bread board. I cannot stress how useful they are. If you only going to buy one tool then get one of these you'll never regret it. They cost  from £4.50 to £10 and come in various forms.



Hobby Knife , Scalpel

Again another handy tool to have as these can be used for slicing and for many things such as cutting PCB lines or bread board. Again they do not cost much from £1 to £10 depending on what type you get.



Soldering station or Soldering iron.

There are many different types of soldering irons from gas driven ones to cold ones that only heat up once it makes contact with the Solder. I will only be concentrating on the normal electric soldering iron's as the other two are useless for what we need.

Now i own 2 different types. The first one is a plain old 18 Watt standard off the shelf simple soldering iron. It has been in  use for many years and is what i used to mod and fix consoles and various other things. It has been a very handy tool and was perfect for my normal soldering needs. The only problem with it is that 18 watt is just some times to much or to little. These cost about £10 to £18
Pic below and yes it needs cleaning.




Next we have my best friend my soldering station. Now this little beast has a variable heat source for controlling the amount of wattage that the soldering iron gets as well as a Heat pen for flow soldering and all so adjustable voltage so i can test out my project's without using other equipment. It may look expansive but only cost £75.00





Now if your going to get into soldering components a lot i suggest getting a work station as its benefits far outweigh any soldering iron and they needn't be expensive. the one above all so came with leads to connect many different mobile phones so that you could power them up and all so crocodile clips and more.

Solder

There are many different types of solder so you need to chose one that suits your needs. If working with SMD's hand doing by a soldering iron get the thinnest you can or solder paste. If anything else you can use any standard stuff. Like normal though the more you pay the better the solder.



De soldering Pump.

I prefer Solder wick to this method but it you make a big blob this can help the start of the cleanup operation. So again its one of those thing's that is just good to have just in case you need it.



Flux

Now flux is quite important when working with SMD's as it help the solder to stick to the SMD quite well. I user a Flux pen on all my work and it has a shelf life of around 2 years. I think i may have passed that now so i need to order some more.



Fibre Pen

Fibre pens are really handy to have esp when working in modding and needing to get access to a track that is under a thin layer of protective coating. I have gone through about 20+ refill with this thing so it gets hammered allot.  Its all so excellent for cleaning certain areas. Just don't over do it as this tuff can rip though protective layers like mad.



Thin nosed pliers and wire cutters.

Needless to say what there are for.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #103 on: May 16, 2009, 03:14:06 pm »
Oky here is how to solder (This is not perfect but will do for now)
The parts in the pic below are what im am going to solder to a bread board. The reason for these parts is i need to see how bright the leds are as i need to use the correct Leds before i start making my string of leds for my project. On my work top there is all so a SMD (see if you can find it lol) ...
Parts ->



Now First you put each LED into where you would like them to go. normally people don't bend them but since it's the only way i can hold them into place i do bend them. The longer leg By the way is the positive and the shorter leg is  the negative.

Led  on the bread board ->




Next you need to solder it in. To do this depending on if you are left handed or right handed approach your leg with the solder coming from the left side and the soldering iron from the right side Like the Diagram below. Heat up the leg with the soldering iron on the right and then apply the solder on the left. If done correctly the solder will flow around the base of the leg and nip the leg into place as it cools.




Now the solder did not flow all the way around the leg so i quickly touched it up again just to make sure




Do this all the way along. The black bits on the solder is because i never bothered cleaning my soldering tip (cos im a lazy bugger). Then fit the rest of the components and solder in again.





Here you can see the top side nearly complete. The underside you'll notice some scoring this is were i cut the strip board to allow the resistors to work correctly.




A quick test to check out the LED's to my surprise the top two 5mm leds are supposed be different MCD's (how much light they produce) and after looking carefully they are the same. So when on ebay don't believe everything you read ...





Next ill show you how i do my SMD's once i can find it lol.. All so a note to my self get Practising .... I could clean up the solder with the Solder mod but im not going to as it is a waste and this is just me testing out my led's.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #104 on: May 16, 2009, 05:08:08 pm »
wel last but not least and trust me we took over 50 pics and 1 turned out lol. To solder the SMD the best way is to put a dab of solder down and then using a set of tweezers move the SMD into place and then heat up the solder. Then once it is in place Put a dab of solder on the other side still holding it down with tweezers.

here is a Drawing of how to do it because my camera is just not good enough to show the smd being soldered into place sorry.

Pic of the SMD to be soldered !!!!



Trying my hardest to get a pic in progress



So here is a diagram instead ->



Then here is a pic of it being tested ...



When doing this type of soldering its best to use a Eye magnify glass with a min of x10 so you can see what you are doing.

Hope this helps people.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #105 on: May 20, 2009, 02:17:56 pm »
this is the plan of attack for my 5 Led spectrum analyser / strobe / chaser ...



I think how ever the spectrum analyser  section may not work ...

This would need to be repeated 2x on each string that i create ...

Im going with 5mm Leds for the RGB set up and have 50x of them. What ill try and do is create a Star sign around the roller ball.

For any one interested in the roller ball that was going to be Laser etched in 3d . It melted in the centre lol ..... we though that might happen and as far as we knew has never been tried before .. now we know why !!!! We still have two left to play with though so attempts are going to be made on them.

Been having a long hard think about lighting on this mod and this is a second PCB possible design that i have come up with ....



Why hasn't any one come up with these ideas before for custom lighting PCB's ....

Ive adapted my design to general purpose so that basic you can custom light with strobe, chaser, sequence, VU meter and so many more and it can all be easily done. You can buy boring old single lighting but with this you can do what ever the hell you like easily ....

Now were the hell can i get these prototype cheaply !!!! If we could get them down to say £1.50 to £2.50 per PCB i think it would sell quite well. Imagine how much time this would save...

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - sponsored by ultimarc + Gameex
« Reply #106 on: June 04, 2009, 10:28:18 pm »
I had purchased a similar lilliput (an 8" version).  I got it connected up.  I also purchased game ex and got that working but can't seem to get any info on the touch screen when playing the game.  Also,  Is there a seperate juke box software?

Did you build an app?  is there something special you have to do?  Could you give me some hints or advice or an app that would help.


!) Juke Box mode. Touch the screen and play that tune
2) Extra info during mame - Screen shots , Marquee, Cabs, ect ect
3) Extra info for games
4) System Info
5) Touch screen games
6) Nitendo DS ;) ..........

The list is endless. Oh to have some thing not many other have ... lol


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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #107 on: June 17, 2009, 10:37:05 pm »
been a while since ive posted so here a few updates.

The reason its been a while is all about money but ive slowly been putting together my water cooling kit. as most may know a decent water cooling kit is quite expensive  here are a few pics of just some of the kit.






then here is a pic of the test loop to check for any water leakage ect ect ..

http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo244/mlwood2008/009-6.jpg

Allso been making some LED lights for the cp here are the build pics.

I managed to get a couple of New boards there not as good as what i wanted but they will do the tick.

First we have the basic components layed out





The we solder them in and here are a few pics along the way ->










That's 1 UV meter ready. Both have been built but ill be fitting them another time as im out of cash for the moment lol and need to get some other parts.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #108 on: June 18, 2009, 11:45:54 am »
While im still awaiting to be able to afford more parts ive been working on some thing else ...

early concept designs just for you to look at ...





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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #109 on: June 22, 2009, 05:56:52 am »
I have still been playing slowly .. getting stable only settings and so far im up to a 57.9% over clock stable. That's  3.789 ghz Over clock Testing over 4 hours.



My max temps are 45c on 95% load wich i may consider quite good witch such a large over clock only on a duel rad and there is no NB/SB water cooling just on air with only the CPU being water cooled.

It would be interesting to see the results on a 3 x 120mm rad but since i don't have one it isn't going to happen any time soon.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dvxdFINsLA[/youtube]

Ive done a video and will upload now of it running Street Fighter IV @ the rated over clock of 3.81 Ghz.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #110 on: July 07, 2009, 05:24:02 pm »
been working on the arcade pc a bit more still more water loops to add in but its getting there.






going to have to re do the back box though lol to fit it all in.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #111 on: July 31, 2009, 03:08:34 am »
well some news for you guys. I been humming and haring over the last few months on some thing ive been wanting to do for a long time. (8 years)

I ve taken the plunge and am picking up a Phase unit in 2 weeks time. C-Macc's 2 is going SUB zero cooling.

Im fitting out c-macc's 2 with a -50c Phase system. So the PC can be over clocked to chronic speeds. I never seen any one build one of these units into a arcade system and i think it may be the first how ever i could be wrong.

So if things go right you going to see a first.

Ill post up more details and pics once i have it in my hands so you can keep an eye out for some thing different.

How ever this will take time so don't expect to much info to fast.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #112 on: July 31, 2009, 03:48:10 am »

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« Reply #113 on: July 31, 2009, 03:31:31 pm »
this is what im getting ->


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« Reply #114 on: July 31, 2009, 05:07:25 pm »

Wow, now that is some ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---.

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - Complete Muti Arcade Computer Console System
« Reply #115 on: July 31, 2009, 05:56:55 pm »
With the risk of sounding rude, what is the point of this?  Does it somehow improve computer performance?  Is there a reason you are going through all of this trouble (and expense)?  It looks way cool though...   

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« Reply #116 on: July 31, 2009, 06:44:01 pm »
well atm i can over clock my E5200 from 2.6ghz to 4.66 Ghz stable.

Using this i should in they be able to hit between 5 to 5.2 Ghz stable. (this being more than a 100% over clock on a cheap £48 cpu) meaning im more than doubling the speed of the pc CPU.

Don't forget MAME is CPU dependant and this will give me a larger ratio of games being able to run at full speed on a 32" tft screen.

Throw this together with my 4 x F1's in raid the boot up times and loading times will be to say the least fast.

Not only that ... It will be a first ... (hold's big heavy brass balls in hand) ;).

Im taking my skill's and implementing my knowledge of over clocking, arcade building, design and what ever else i can to build some thing that literally is just a pure beast.

All in all the pc will have water cooled GPU's (graphics cards) - Sub zero CPU cooling and a few other bits and bobs to make this system just rocket.

and this is what happens when a phase unit is turned on with out protective layer ...



All that is then connected onto the CPU alone brining the temp of the cpu from around 34c to about - 30c / -40c

My only real problem will be getting every thing to fit.

Ive got to be able to fit all this inside c-macc's 2

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« Reply #117 on: July 31, 2009, 07:04:47 pm »
this is the temps running a quad core


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« Reply #118 on: July 31, 2009, 11:23:11 pm »
 :notworthy:
My project: The Royal Flush

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« Reply #119 on: August 01, 2009, 01:14:26 am »
So how much are you spending so you can use a 'cheap' £48 cpu?

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« Reply #120 on: August 01, 2009, 04:43:03 am »
Lol. i can use a expensive cpu if i like and push it as well. But i welcome you go out and by any CPU running at 5 GHZ + ..

This is normal in benching and over clocking. How ever i haven't payed that much to be honest.

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« Reply #121 on: August 01, 2009, 05:00:11 am »
I love it!  :applaud:

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« Reply #122 on: August 01, 2009, 11:30:30 am »
the fastest chip you can buy is 4.? GHz and its over £250 + .. yet combine my phase unit and my £48 chip and im still less than £200. hmm

And ill be whopping its ass like im spanking a monkey night and day till its blue in the face screaming for more.

So is it worth it ...

YEH BABY !!!!  :whap :whap

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - (update - Subzero Cooling Phase change -50 c)
« Reply #123 on: August 04, 2009, 11:55:14 pm »
a few more pics. this is back at my place ive pre painted the MB so that is can be frozen to -50c.

Been tesitng the rubber works with my water cooling system first will turn on the ice later on.








 ive all so made my own dyes for the water cooling sections of the MB.

Here are my test samples i made ...





and under UV light







All home made by my self for water cooling loops :) ....

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« Reply #124 on: August 11, 2009, 12:16:56 am »
holy crap! you are crazy mate! love it.

I can't believe I haven't seen this yet. Have you thought about lighting up the joysticks as well?

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - (update - Subzero Cooling Phase change -50 c)
« Reply #125 on: August 11, 2009, 12:41:44 pm »
LOL, you can definitely tell the difference between the woodworkers and the computer modders on this forum : )  Looks great so far!

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - (update - Subzero Cooling Phase change -50 c)
« Reply #126 on: August 22, 2009, 02:25:23 am »
due to other commitments

Sorry to say

C-Macc's is being sold off

Look on ebay under the user name lwood2009 or in arcade section in the UK if you would like the frame work.

Have fun ..

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Re: Project : C-MACC'S 2 - (update - Subzero Cooling Phase change -50 c)
« Reply #127 on: August 22, 2009, 09:18:03 pm »
 :cry: sorry to hear you won't be able to continue this awesome project. Wish you the best on the auctions

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