Threat of Emulation as Intimidation

[SirPeale]

Link to MameWorld

[CheffoJeffo]

 

In this age of declining interest in the arcade scene, can't people come up with something better to do than ---smurfette--- at the people who actually do good things (do you hear this, Harry?). If people like Jeff are harassed like this, how long will it be before they stop doing cool coin-op projects ?

One can only hope that folks like adamsapple3041 run into folks like Frizz in a closed room.

 

EDIT: interesting that a quick GoogleStalk(tm) of the loser in question reveals his requests for a pirated Kapersky key ...

Default  Would you be so kind as to email me the key
Would you be so kind as to email me the activation key as well.

Thanks

adamsapple3041@yahoo.com

[Malenko]

I'm pissed off by just reading that. What a ---smurfing--- ---uvula---.

Chad, go redeem yourself, go punch that guy in his ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---.

[TheShanMan]

As much as I've wished to be able to play it, that's just wrong. What a jerk!

[RayB]

I must say, it's quite refreshing to read a forum with expletives uncensored. 

[CheffoJeffo]

I must say, it's quite refreshing to read a forum with expletives uncensored. 

You should try it here !

 

[FrizzleFried]

Bottom line is that D2K was going to be emulated eventually.  That said,  it takes a REAL --cream-filled twinkie-- to email Jeff the way he has with threats, etc... then to email him after it's emulated with a "hahaha" was just downright ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow---.

Haze,  in yet another stellar example of being a cock... agrees to some extent.  At least he disagreed with the whole email thing,  but he then goes on to ADMIT that he reported Jeff to Nintendo.  The funny thing is that the asshat didn't even know Jeff had already been in contact with Nintendo. 

Bottom line is this kind of ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- is what kills innovative products geared just toward our hobby.  Nothing like spitting in the face of people trying to do things for us,  eh?   

Adam is an asshat...pure and simple... but for Haze to pull the ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- move of attempting to "narc" on Jeff,  that just tells me what kind of character that punk-ass has.  It's no wonder the vast majority of folks at MAMEWORLD think he's an ---uvula---.

[CheffoJeffo]

Bottom line is this kind of ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- is what kills innovative products geared just toward our hobby.  Nothing like spitting in the face of people trying to do things for us,  eh?   

Exactly right ... 

[ChadTower]

I'm pissed off by just reading that. What a ---smurfing--- ---uvula---.

Chad, go redeem yourself, go punch that guy in his ---Bad words, bad words, whatcha gonna do? Whatcha gonna do when saint censors you?---.

If I knew the guy it would be hard not to remove a few of his teeth. 

[Level42]

We have a word for this kind of people: Nazi's.

It actually hurts my brain how someone can actually think up a sceme like that and then has the brutality to follow the route to the last step.

Then again, the world is full of dirtbags like this. I guess we'll have to live with them.


I'm still interested what will become of Jeff<>Mark.......

[FrizzleFried]

I'm still interested what will become of Jeff<>Mark.......

Regarding Mark...

I actually think it was unfortunate to have included Mark in this... from all appearances he had no involvement with this issue.  While he did tweak a D2K ROM for someone,  he didn't release the tweaked ROM or even the dumped ROM.

[ChadTower]

I don't see Mark doing that either.  Not his style.

[Level42]

+1 Jeff should have contacted Mark about it first before posting that.

[Ummon]

Mark was a tad retaliatory, though. Bad blood between them? Points on all sides over there, though not all of them mix.

[ChadTower]

I'd be pretty ticked too if my name were dragged into something like that without justification.  Personal conflicts are one thing but even around here no one ever unjustly attacks someone's integrity.

[Level42]

My initial response was in the line of Ummon's, but right after that I had the same thoughts as Chad writes them here.

[CheffoJeffo]

Of everybody, I think Haze comes off worst.

Just once, I would like some of the ---That which is odiferous and causeth plants to grow--- MAME politics to go away and for somebody to realize that, while they're busy playing keyboard commando, they are hurting the hobby as a whole. MAME isn't the be-all and end-all of things coin-op and hurting people like Jeff hurts us all.

I have total respect for what the MAME team has done and would actually welcome a donation link where I could kick in some cash whenever I want to buy an unlicensed MAME-derived work, like a 48-in-1 or 60-in-1 board.

Having said that, I would greatly prefer to have more people like Jeff K breathing new life into classic coin-op than yet another emulated Japanese game that I have never heard of.

My $.02.

[SavannahLion]

Having said that, I would greatly prefer to have more people like Jeff K breathing new life into classic coin-op than yet another emulated Japanese game that I have never heard of.

Don't know about anyone else, but I'm not really big on the whole [insert name here] revisited idea. If anything, I would like to see a whole new game created, if not for anything other than to see what could be done. Take the guys at the AtariAge, some of those games are looking pretty good within the limitations of the 2600 hardware.

Granted, I haven't played D2K (nor do I know anyone that owns one) so I might be missing the appeal this game has. 

[ChadTower]

Nintendo has been producing Donkey Kong derivative characters and games all along.  They still exist on the Wii platform.  That should be enough.

[CheffoJeffo]

As has been mentioned too many times -- the IP issue is between Jeff and Nintendo and Jeff has been in contact with Nintendo over this for a long time.

That is more than can be said for anybody else involved.

[RayB]

2 - I don't understand how Donkey Kong isn't public domain by now.  Nintendo has done absolutely nothing to protect the IP.

Go do some reading on copyright and thank the American government for continually bending over to corporate pressure *cough*Disney*cough* and extending copyright durations again and again. (it's now something like 70 or 90 years after author's death).

...and to say they've done nothing... Are you in touch with their legal dept? How do you know? And would you rather they crack down left and right on every little hobbiest project, fan art and fan games???

[SavannahLion]

...and to say they've done nothing... Are you in touch with their legal dept? How do you know? And would you rather they crack down left and right on every little hobbiest project, fan art and fan games???

IIRC & LTIC, Nintendo is a member of the ESA and DK is listed as one of the ESA protected games. Now why ESA hasn't gone after Jeff is a question probably better left to Nintendo, Jeff, and ESA, not to someone like PBJ who isn't seeing (and likely doesn't care for) the whole picture. I suppose we could spend the next few pages armchair sleuthing, but in the end, does it matter? Let Nintendo and Jeff work it out between themselves.

[Level42]

I think Nintendo is a lot more interested in the DS and Wii hack hardware. That's where the money is, not in a hobby that a handful of people have (compared to the millions of DS and Wii machines sold world-wide.

It's a case of economics: it's not worth the money for Nintendo to chase private projects like Jeff's.

Thank god.

Now if you excuse me, I'll go and order a D2K kit...

[ChadTower]

Not worth the money?  It would cost them about $15 to have an intern send him a canned C+D.  Few hobbyists will ever fight one of those because a hobby just isn't worth a lawsuit with a major corporation.

[CheffoJeffo]

As many have said throughout this discussion across many boards -- Jeff has actually talked to folks at Nintendo, which puts him several steps ahead of those who would play arcade-chair-quarterback like Haze is doing.

[ChadTower]

As many have said throughout this discussion across many boards -- Jeff has actually talked to folks at Nintendo, which puts him several steps ahead of those who would play arcade-chair-quarterback like Haze is doing.

Personally I don't care if he did or did not have an arrangement with Nintendo.  We're just discussing the concept.   

[ChadTower]

Copyrights are regional.  If you reported it to Nintendo of America then odds are it would never get through to the parent company in order to enforce in China.  Plus we have no way of knowing they didn't send a C+D out to those people.  We all know the Chinese pirates don't care who knows what they are doing.

[CheffoJeffo]

If you reported it to Nintendo of America then odds are it would never get through to the parent company in order to enforce in China. 

Let me guess, you did a stint in the legal profession as an IP lawyer, right ?

 

[ChadTower]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

[(+_+)]

I'm pissed off by just reading that. What a ---smurfing--- ---uvula---.

Chad, go redeem yourself, go punch that guy in his ---auto-censored---.

If I knew the guy it would be hard not to remove a few of his teeth. 

Your a dentist I presume? 

[ChadTower]

Stay focused.  This thread is about a d-bag that isn't me.

[JackTucky]

If you reported it to Nintendo of America then odds are it would never get through to the parent company in order to enforce in China. 

Let me guess, you did a stint in the legal profession as an IP lawyer, right ?

 

We have to add that to the list.

[Matthew Fisher]

Well, I'm not an IP lawyer, but I am a lawyer, at least.  At least in the US, material subject to copyright does not have to be used to be protected, and the terms of protection are indeed long, thanks, primarily, to the untiring efforts of Disney and heirs of George Gershwin.   Abandonment is no defense to a copyright violation, as it can be in a trademark situation, and Nintendo is free to go after (or not go after) anyone infringing its CR as it sees fit, at any time.  It may seem unfair, but, if the current owners of the IP of long-bankrupt company like, say, Cinematronics wanted to go after a BYOAC'er who had "Armor Attack" on his PC, the BYOAC'er would lose.  Lets all be thankful that none of the biggies has really pursued this as with the MP3 deal.   

Copyright protects original works and trademarks denote the source of something.  I am certain that Nintendo has secured CRs and TMs to the fullest extent that it possibly could on Donkey Kong, Mario, etc.  Perhaps they have not gone after Jeff because he's relatively small potatoes, he's not damaging the image of the characters, doing so would piss off a lot of gamers who buy Nintendo products, it's not worth the legal fees, bad publicity, or some other reason.  I suspect it would be a different story if he represented DKII as a Nintendo (or Nintendo-approved) product.   

I agree that Chinese pirates couldn't give a flying -smurf- about some C/D from Nintendo or anyone else, and I doubt the government cares too much either.  That's why Nintendo had to start putting in security chips instead of just taking them to court.  Only when China starts generating enough of its own IP will its attitude start to change.   

[CheffoJeffo]

I find your lack of faith disturbing.

Is this confirmation that you really are apprentice to the Supreme Chancellor ?

For some reason, I can't find the right smiley for that over here!

[(+_+)]

Stay focused.  This thread is about a d-bag that isn't me.

Kidding CT, I'm on your side with this. Furthermore, I already have an implant and really can't afford another one. It would only set back my hobby. 

[FrizzleFried]

As many have said throughout this discussion across many boards -- Jeff has actually talked to folks at Nintendo, which puts him several steps ahead of those who would play arcade-chair-quarterback like Haze is doing.

Personally I don't care if he did or did not have an arrangement with Nintendo.  We're just discussing the concept.   

No,  we're discussing the fact that Haze and "Adam" are --bags of cream-filled twinkies--.  If you want to discuss the "concept" of Nintendo licensing,  perhaps you'd want to start another thread rather than derail this one?

[FrizzleFried]

I've probably reported 20 or so of those XX in 1 boards to Nintendo that had Donkey Kong on them.  They've never done anything.

More douchebaggery...  Much like Haze, I am sure we all appreciate your self-appointed IP Policing PBD...

[ChadTower]

No,  we're discussing the fact that Haze and "Adam" are --bags of cream-filled twinkies--. 

That makes this whole thread dead, then.  We don't have to discuss something we all agree on.

[Necro]

After reading through the thread, something seems fishy - esp. after the latest response by Ada.  If a guy is willing to - essentially - pay $85 for a hacked ROM just so he can play it and you take his money for the board but then just ignore him or have an attitude...I dunno.  Something seems really weird with everything and the fact that the guy actually bought a board just makes it weirder.

I do agree the entire narcing thing is ridiculous.

[Level42]

After reading through the thread, something seems fishy - esp. after the latest response by Ada.  If a guy is willing to - essentially - pay $85 for a hacked ROM just so he can play it and you take his money for the board but then just ignore him or have an attitude...I dunno.  Something seems really weird with everything and the fact that the guy actually bought a board just makes it weirder.

I do agree the entire narcing thing is ridiculous.

Come'on , it's clear he planned this hole thing from the start. His intention was to get this game "released" not (only) to play it himself. He could have bought a Supergun and an original DK board-set if he was SO determined to be able to play it.  He bought the board to get an excuse (not reason) to harass Jeff to hand over the files. And he thought he had a way how to get it done (threatening to report to Nintendo). I'm sorry, but this guy is a major ---uvula--- IMHO.

[Ummon]

Yep. It doesn't matter what this was about. He was, I think, one of the worst (and strangest) of the pokerom-type kiddies.