Subwoofer, Bass and the affect on components in my cab.

[Visitor Q]

Do I have to worry about bass affecting any computer components, marquee lighting or the monitor in my cab? I plan on installing a Logitech Z2300 system (http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm/speakers_audio/home_pc_speakers/devices/231&cl=us,en#)and it seems to pack some serious bass from what I am reading...

Would I better off installing the NovaMatrix (http://groovygamegear.com/webstore/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=83&products_id=307) rather than regular florescent bulbs?

[Blanka]

Best is to fix the logitech to the bottom and the cab itself solid to the ground. When you use wheels, put them in lock. The better the sub is fastened to the floor, the better it will sound and the lesser it will affect other components. And in non-pc-speaker terms, it is not a subwoofer anyway. More a normal low-range driver.

[Visitor Q]

Best is to fix the logitech to the bottom and the cab itself solid to the ground. When you use wheels, put them in lock. The better the sub is fastened to the floor, the better it will sound and the lesser it will affect other components. And in non-pc-speaker terms, it is not a subwoofer anyway. More a normal low-range driver.

I plan on having the sub fasten to the bottom of the cab. L-Brackets with a buggy cord overtop of it or something to that effect. I was mainly worry about the components inside the cab more so than the cabinet moving as it will sit directly on the floor.

Whether the sub is a sub or indeed a driver I am sure it will make plenty of bass.

[pinballwizard79]

You will be fine, I too have a pretty hefty system in place for sound: http://www.klipsch.com/products/details/promedia-2-1.aspx

Man I tell you, hearing the token sound on Mrs Pacman for the first time made me smile.

[Visitor Q]

Man I tell you, hearing the token sound on Mrs Pacman for the first time made me smile.

NICE!

Hey let me ask you and I touch on this in another thread, do I have vent both the speaker and port when installing this?

Thanks.

ps.  Klipsch is a nice setup, I would get them if I could find them new.

[Donkey_Kong]

Man I tell you, hearing the token sound on Mrs Pacman for the first time made me smile.

NICE!

Hey let me ask you and I touch on this in another thread, do I have vent both the speaker and port when installing this?

Thanks.

ps.  Klipsch is a nice setup, I would get them if I could find them new.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZProMediaQ202Q2e1QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Qty. 14 new here...$130 shipped

[Visitor Q]

Man I tell you, hearing the token sound on Mrs Pacman for the first time made me smile.

NICE!

Hey let me ask you and I touch on this in another thread, do I have vent both the speaker and port when installing this?

Thanks.

ps.  Klipsch is a nice setup, I would get them if I could find them new.

http://shop.ebay.com/items/_W0QQ_nkwZProMediaQ202Q2e1QQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ

Qty. 14 new here...$130 shipped

Thanks.

Just fired off a msg to see if they are refurbished.

[Ginsu Victim]

Man I tell you, hearing the token sound on Ms Pacman for the first time made me smile.

It is an awesome sound. You seriously don't have it loud enough unless you feel like you got punched in the chest. I love it.

[Visitor Q]

Think these are ok to buy?

"All of our systems come from large retailers as Clearance, OpenBox or High Quality Customer returns. The main reason these items cannot be sold in stores because of scuffed packaging (excess tape, small scrapes with product inside unaffected) Each and every item is thoroughly inspected and tested prior to being sold on ebay. Our main goal is to deliver highest quality products to our customers at a significant discount. We stand by our products and if for any reason you are not completely blown away by the performance of this system, please return it to us in the identical condition as it arrived within the time provided for a hassle-free refund. We have 100% Feedback, because we aim to please so Bid with confidence."

They have 99.9% feedback (717).

I contacted them and they already got back to me saying they where from Best Buy, opened and checked for problems.

Here is the only negative feedback he has, figured it would be just the item I am looking to purcahse.

Seller sent defective Klipsch speakers & expects me to pay $30 return ship fee. gardensbywendy ( 353)  May-20-08 04:20
 Reply by bluelightbargains (May-20-08 12:48):
I tried my best to keep her happy.Won't return 7oz ctrl module for new ($2 USPS)
Follow-up by gardensbywendy (May-21-08 07:04):
Seller demanded $40, then $23, for new module! He refused to replace otherwise.
 
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[Ginsu Victim]

One negative out of 717? I wouldn't be worried about that at all. That's pretty much perfect.

[Blanka]

And wasn't the 2200 better than the 2300?

[Martijn]

lol @ blanka, will you ever quit on this set 

i know ! ill get you one for xmas 

[Xiaou2]

 PC subs usually use more of a 'ported bass' than actual vibrational
power.   

 (Ported bass = A specially tuned tube that creates a bass sound
when air moves through it)

 The only component you would have to worry about with vibrational
forces... would be the hard disks.

 If you have a sub that puts out quite a bit of vibration...  you would have
to suspend the drive using some sort of rubber harness or something
like that... so that the vibrations wouldnt be able to damage it.

 That of course would probably only be needed if you used something
like a high power car sub, or similar.


 An FYI:   If the Sub is ported,  it may be highly directional... and you
may not hear it very well when its enclosed in a cab.   Might need to
cut a hole in the cab for the port to fire out of.   Try a test run to see
how it sounds when enclosed.

[mountain]

PC subs usually use more of a 'ported bass' than actual vibrational
power.   

Ummm...bass frequencies are the same in a ported set up or sealed. The port just makes the sub extremely efficient at the tuned frequency.

You are going to get vibrations no matter what. I have several buddies who do the whole carputer thing and they have never had an issue with their hard drives failing. I wouldn't worry about it in you cab.

[orion]

Think these are ok to buy?

"All of our systems come from large retailers as Clearance, OpenBox or High Quality Customer returns. The main reason these items cannot be sold in stores because of scuffed packaging (excess tape, small scrapes with product inside unaffected)

I buy stuff from ebay in that condition all the time and have yet to run into any problems.

[Flake]

Yea dude the set of Klipsch promedia's I have are from E-bay.  They stated they were "new" and they looked it except for the slight corner tear of the speaker cover mesh.  But since these are for my cab I'm not using the speaker covers anyway.  Couldnt beat it for $90 w/shipping.  I wouldnt get all worried about one negative feedback.  Especially to save a couple hundred bucks.  I really would consider purchasing these, I dont know much about these Logitech speakers but I would imagine the Klipsch sound better.

[Xiaou2]

Ummm...bass frequencies are the same in a ported set up or sealed. The port just makes the sub extremely efficient at the tuned frequency.

You are going to get vibrations no matter what. I have several buddies who do the whole carputer thing and they have never had an issue with their hard drives failing. I wouldn't worry about it in you cab.

 Forgive me for using logic... but if the frequencies are the exact same... then the port wouldnt need to be Tuned.   Tune = a set frequency range.    If you made the port hole
larger... the sounds would be different.


 And yes.. you are going to get vibrations no matter what.   However,  there is a
HUGE difference in vibrational levels between a pc subwoofer and a powerful
car sub.   (or powerful home sub)     

 A pc sub might only be rated at 15 watts max (though it will be listed
at like 80 watts rms... which means, it will take 80 watts for a short time without
blowing up,  but it will sound like crap doing so)

 A typical car sub starts around 100 watts,  and can be over 800 watts+.   The magnetic
driving power is much greater & the air movement is much greater...
thus the vibrational forces are much greater.

 
 I pretty much guarantee that if you mounted a pcs hard drive on top of a car sub box,
and ran windows as normal while it was pounding away... the HD wouldnt last a year.

 The HD heads are small as or smaller than a human hair (I believe).  Its very susceptible to vibrations... and as gets vibrated enough to scrape the surface of the discs.. it will eventually destroy itself.

 As said... a pc sub probably cant do enough damage to be a problem.   And again,
may need a port drilled out on the cabinet to actually be able to hear them well
enough.

[Visitor Q]

I have the Klipsch 5.1 here at my PC, more or less I think it is the same thing just 5.1. I have to admit, it does sound really good and other than the touchy volume control, it has been great. hehehe The good news is the 2.1 does not have the same volume control! 

Ok, so I guess I will bit. I'll let you know for sure but I will more than likely buy a set tonight.

Reading over the posts here and listen to my setup here at home it is hard for me to tell if the bass is coming out of the port or the speakers on the side of the box. I mean I can feel the air pushing out the port but it sounds like the bass is coming out the speakers. With that said, in a cab would it be more important to vent the speakers or the port to the outside of the cab?

Thanks.

[SavannahLion]

I pretty much guarantee that if you mounted a pcs hard drive on top of a car sub box,
and ran windows as normal while it was pounding away... the HD wouldnt last a year.

 The HD heads are small as or smaller than a human hair (I believe).  Its very susceptible to vibrations... and as gets vibrated enough to scrape the surface of the discs.. it will eventually destroy itself.

Pretty much mounting a hard drive in a car, irregardless of speaker choice, is going to be hard on the drive. Given that I've seen people install full blown servers in their SUV's, it's not as big a problem as one might think. Just be prudent with the backups.

[DeLuSioNal29]

If you use the "cabvol" program you don't have to worry about the touchy control.  You simply use the spinner to adjust the volume.  (you can assign any button to be held down and that activates the volume.)  i.e.  hold player 2 start and then turn the spinner to adjust.

[Visitor Q]

If you use the "cabvol" program you don't have to worry about the touchy control.  You simply use the spinner to adjust the volume.  (you can assign any button to be held down and that activates the volume.)  i.e.  hold player 2 start and then turn the spinner to adjust.

WOW! That sounds cool. Can you use that with any front end?

[DeLuSioNal29]

Yep!  I have it start up when Windows starts so it will work independently inside of Windows itself.

[Visitor Q]

Oh man, that sounds awesome!

You'll have to tell me about it later when I call.

Thanks for the heads up, tty soon.

[cmoses]

If you use the "cabvol" program you don't have to worry about the touchy control.  You simply use the spinner to adjust the volume.  (you can assign any button to be held down and that activates the volume.)  i.e.  hold player 2 start and then turn the spinner to adjust.

Does it have to be used with a spinner or can you use it with a joystick or buttons?  i.e. hold down player 2 start and push up or down on a joystick or a button for volume up and one for volume down?

[Visitor Q]

If you use the "cabvol" program you don't have to worry about the touchy control.  You simply use the spinner to adjust the volume.  (you can assign any button to be held down and that activates the volume.)  i.e.  hold player 2 start and then turn the spinner to adjust.

Does it have to be used with a spinner or can you use it with a joystick or buttons?  i.e. hold down player 2 start and push up or down on a joystick or a button for volume up and one for volume down?

Not 100% sure but here is the link to try it.

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=69901.0

I don't have a spinner yet.

ps. Can anyone address this please?

---Reading over the posts here and listen to my setup here at home it is hard for me to tell if the bass is coming out of the port or the speakers on the side of the box. I mean I can feel the air pushing out the port but it sounds like the bass is coming out the speakers. With that said, in a cab would it be more important to vent the speakers or the port to the outside of the cab?

[Martijn]

just do this

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=85671.msg898854#msg898854

its mountains idea, and i am building this setup.

its almost done.

the subwoofer in in its own 1,8cm box, flush with the outside speaker grill.

haven't closed the back up, i don't know if this is necessary because the bass reflex pipe and woofer both put out its audio to the back

[Visitor Q]

just do this

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=85671.msg898854#msg898854

its mountains idea, and i am building this setup.

its almost done.

the subwoofer in in its own 1,8cm box, flush with the outside speaker grill.

haven't closed the back up, i don't know if this is necessary because the bass reflex pipe and woofer both put out its audio to the back

Yeah I already read over all that, even asked some questions there.

From what I have read there, that guy is saying to vent both the port and the sub. I guess that is what you are doing then?

[Martijn]

yes, just like that

ill post an update this weekend about it.

i like posting when a part is  completed

[Visitor Q]

yes, just like that

ill post an update this weekend about it.

i like posting when a part is  completed

Ok, I will keep an eye out for it.

Seem like mixed reviews then on what needs to be ported here. Maybe it is a matter of if you want the sound to come from inside the cab or not on how it is vented? I think this is going to have to be one of those things that I will need to hear when I get it and then make adjustments... Just trying to plan ahead here a little.

[DeLuSioNal29]

If you use the "cabvol" program you don't have to worry about the touchy control.  You simply use the spinner to adjust the volume.  (you can assign any button to be held down and that activates the volume.)  i.e.  hold player 2 start and then turn the spinner to adjust.

Does it have to be used with a spinner or can you use it with a joystick or buttons?  i.e. hold down player 2 start and push up or down on a joystick or a button for volume up and one for volume down?

Yes, it can be used with a joystick or buttons.

[(+_+)]

Don't know if someone already mentioned it but you can use carpet undermatting. Wherever the sub makes contact to your case throw in a slice of undermat.

The sub in my box touched the floor and front of the cab. After slapping in a couple of pieces, the vibration was gone.

BTW. IMHO, Logitech Z3's are very good cab speakers.

[Visitor Q]

I went with the Klipsch 2.1.

[(+_+)]

Klipsch are nice also. Try the rubber mat. Is you sub heavy. If so, you won't need to even anchor the sub in place. I checked mine after months of use and it didn't move an inch.

I used to have the Klipsch Fortes as my main speakers for my stereo system. Man could those things rock.

[DeLuSioNal29]

I would say, install it and if it vibrates too much, then take measures to insulate it with rubber, carpet or what have you.  But if it works great, why bother?

[Visitor Q]

Should the speakers be left in their casings, I am not talking the sub but the left and right channel speakers.

[northerngames]

They need to be sheilded if they are going anywhere around your monitor.

I  use a real surround sound reciever with a sound blater auidigy 2 ZS gold card.

 After I went to it from stock onboard I could hear so many new things that were not heard or noticed in games before plus the power is there for the bass where alot of pc deals lack the raw power of a real reciever.

 I put mine on a shelf and used the pictured speakers along with a sub and the same 2 stock arcade speakers above the monitor for my highs medium and low's.

 I put it behind the coin door above my dreamcast shelf so I can open the door and adjust the volume or change the input signals to swap to different game console's so I dont have to fart with wire's or opening the cab all up to change stuff.



 

[pinballwizard79]

I left mine in the case, just keep it simple & safe if you want my advice.

Wait till you hear the pacman token sound I am telling you man its all like "BAA-WOOOOP".

Sorta reminds me of the first time I heard the THX intro on my surround sound.....goosebumps I tell you, goosebumps.

[Blanka]

Wait till you hear the pacman token sound I am telling you man its all like "BAA-WOOOOP".

Sorta reminds me of the first time I heard the THX intro on my surround sound.....goosebumps I tell you, goosebumps.

LOL
Its more Baa then Whoooop. If its to much Whoooop, than the system is very creative in making more bass than the sound holds. Here no goosepimples but more like a "WTF" kind of scare.

[Visitor Q]

I can't wait!!!!

[pinballwizard79]

Baawoooop!

[Martijn]

WTaaawooooooop!