A new Galaga!

[AtomSmasher]

Like I said, just nod your head politely and back away.  Xiaou2 has some strange hatred for modern games and there is no convincing him otherwise, no matter how absurd his arguments may be.

[Xiaou2]

My argument was hardly absurd.   It has real substance... unlike the
Stay away comment.   However..   to each his own.

 Personally, Id rather play a good game of Playtpus  than most
of that commercial FPS crud.


 http://www.squashysoftware.com/platypus.php

[AtomSmasher]

My argument was hardly absurd. 

I know you believe that, which is why I'm not going to debate you on the topic and am telling others not to bother.  No matter what anyone says you will not be changing your mind on the subject.

And even though I know I shouldn't since it's pretty much exactly what I just said I won't do, but I'll also add that your not wrong for disliking modern games, you don't find them fun and that's perfectly understandable, the problem is that you seem to feel everyone else is wrong for liking them because you feel modern games are just bad games.  I'm not a fan of defender, but I'm not going to tell everyone it's a bad game.

[pinballwizard79]

Xiaou2, you sound like the 700 club.... bah bah bah

Here are a few facts:

Forza & vodka is fun.
MLB2K8 tourneys & a BBQ cookout with pals is a good time.
TigerWoods08 on a Sunday morning is relaxing.

&..........Most of all..........In rebuttle to your anti FPS remarks..................Call Of Duty 4 online via my xbox360 on a 1080p LcOs screen with pounding 5.1 surround sound & cans of redbull all around me with a headset of smack talking buddies in my ear is always exciting.

Know what else is fun?

Playing Donkey Kong on a Wells Gardner.

So go play old Galaga, new Galaga, MotoGP07, get a girlfriend & relax a bit.

Oh yeah, wasnt this thread about Galaga......my bad.

[erictrumpet]

Never heard of Platypus -- the screenshots look awesome. On the web site, the programmer whines about some boo hoo woe is me I can't profit from this wah wah b.s. and says he can't offer it for sale anymore. So where can we get it?

Eric.

EDIT: Found it. Man, I hate these free trial then pay games. I know people work hard on these things and deserve compensation but I have a hard time paying for software of any kind. (Perhaps I should start another thread about this, it's an interesting --though surely volatile -- topic. Let's face it, MAME is all about playing games for free that we used to pay $.25 per play for!) Anyway here's the Platypus link:
http://www.download-free-games.com/arcade_game_download/platypus.htm
(I'm sure you can find it elsewhere too, this was just the first google hit)

[RetroGreg]

  As for the New pacman... it looks trippy..  but not really anything special.
Namco had already done a Remake version long ago in their collection series
that beats Microcraps version.   

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pac_Man_Championship_Edition

It was made by the original creator of Pac Man. I suggest you actually play it before judging it. 

[erictrumpet]

Well, Indy4 was made by the original creators Spielberg, Luc-ass, and Ford and that movie was an unholy steaming pile of donkey barf. So just because Pac: Championship was made by Toru Iwatani doesn't mean it can't suck. (For the record, I kinda liked it -- but I'd rather play original Pac on my cab. But mostly people in the world don't have the awesome luxury of true arcade gaming like us byoac'ers!)

Eric.

[Loafmeister]

Ugh, that chess example was so far off....  Any game of chess, whether a marble board, wooden pieces, etc., feels the same because the rules don't change; it's purely aesthetics.  Portal uses a 3d engine and you get the FPS point of view but it's a thinking game as opposed to shooting so the ruleset is totally different.  The way you explain it, I'm surprised you like any 2d games since all they require for the last 30 years is to point up/down/left/right and press a fire button.

I'm not going to argue with you, I don't care if you like it or not, but your portraying yourself poorly with your pov.  No problem with you not liking it, there's lots of games I don't like that others do but it seems to me you limit yourself without trying to see the potential in a game.  Too each is own.

Loaf

[Xiaou2]

 Not much time to argue yet.

 About Platypus...   I personally dont buy too much software.   Im fairly
poor... but also,  Im a very tough critic.     But this game was so fricken amazing... that I opened up my wallet with a smile.

 Its old skool shooter with solid gamplay from start to finish.  Jaw
dropping graphics.  Great c64 remade music playing in the background.
Unlike many commercial games..  this game even tops many solid arcade
titles that had entire teams that constructed them.


 Its too bad that the guy who created it, (Anthony Flack) sold it to a company for
such little money.   He created a game that has probably sold
thousands of copies... and made only a few bucks off of it.   So sad 

 At least his game has gotten great exposure.. and his name will
be remembered for such a great new classic masterpiece.

[Spaced Ace]

OMG, talking about overkill....  Sheesh.  Call me old fasion but the new Galaga looks a little beyond my skill. 

I'll take the original anyday.  Its kind of like Tempest 2000.  Man, I thought I was going to love that game, but it sucked too.

"There's no school, like old school!"

[RayB]

Xiau, if you think FPS aren't fast action enough, you've obviously never played Serious Sam. It's the only FPS that actually tired me out, the action is so relentless.

[Xiaou2]

 Speed means very little without balance of control and challenge.

 FPS perspective reduces your control immediately because you can
not see behind you.   It again is reduced because your characters
actions are not translated very well... meaning..  a real human in
a real enviornment can react like 10x faster than a FPS controlled
character.  Not only react faster... but have more fluidity and bodily control.
 
 
 Also, I pretty much say that anyone can beat a FPS game eventually...
where as not too many may have the skill and dedication to beat a
game like Platypus.   Or another example... is getting good enough to
say...  get to level 40 on Robotron.   Took me a year of off/on playing
to finally beat Thunderforce II.

 And now...  can you really say that Serious Sam was more fun than
a good old 2d  Super Mario world  romp?


 To each his own.   But I just dont get any pleasure from FPS games.

[RayB]

And now...  can you really say that Serious Sam was more fun than
a good old 2d  Super Mario world  romp?

I am capable of enjoying both apples and oranges. I refuse to compare them as the same thing.

To each his own.   But I just dont get any pleasure from FPS games.

Exactly.

[SithMaster]

 Also, I pretty much say that anyone can beat a FPS game eventually...
where as not too many may have the skill and dedication to beat a
game like Platypus.   Or another example... is getting good enough to
say...  get to level 40 on Robotron.   Took me a year of off/on playing
to finally beat Thunderforce II.

If the person doesn't like an FPS game why should they have the skill and dedication to beat it?  Also anyone can have the skill and dedication to beat Platypus since anyone can find it fun and start playing.

Question.  Can you see behind yourself?

[AtomSmasher]

I'm surprised no ones brought this topic back now that the game is out.

I played through the demo earlier today and while it does seem like a fairly entertaining game, it doesn't even remotely feel like galaga.  It's way too chaotic and you have turrets that you're constantly rearranging their placement and direction, which is fun at first, but I can see it getting old quick.  The demo was short, so I could be wrong, but that's just my initial impression of the game.  I won't be buying this one.

[isucamper]

Haven't had a chance to try it yet... my life is on hold until I get a decent coat of paint on my cab.   I am in painting hell right now.

Anyway, 8 out of 10 on Gamespot. 

http://www.gamerankings.com/itemrankings/launchreview.asp?reviewid=960103

That's pretty much as high of a score as you can expect for an Xbox Live game.  By comparison, Pac-Man Championship Edition had an average of 83% on gamerankings.com.  However, they mention in the review that there are better shooters out there on XLA right now, including Ikaruga (which, if you're a fan of classic games, you need to check this one out) and Geometry Wars 2. 

Galaga Legions stays true to that gameplay premise and assaults you with five areas divided into four to five levels. Each level must be played sequentially within an area. Each area is populated by continuous waves of enemies. Lines trace the paths the enemies will take. It is up to you and your two satellites to destroy the enemies as they follow that scripted entrance.

[S0L]

I've played it and I think it's great little game.

Plenty of nods to the original, new levels of strategy and a real old school play feel. Not often you see games that are also all about the scores too!

I can understand people love the original and some don't understand the need for a new revised version, but to me, it doesn't detract from the original and is something new - yet with a classic feel. If you don't want it, no-one is forcing you to play it

It's certainly not a cynical cash in by any means, it's clearly had some love put into it

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S0L
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[Xiaou2]

 There are plenty of reason for an Upgrade to Galaga... and if done right, people
would LOVE it.   However, this is Not an upgrade.  Its a Downgrade.

 

[patrickl]

True, they should make Galaga 3D 

Actually there is a 3D Galaga available for the Wii already (Namco Museum)

[Xiaou2]

 3D Does not make everything better.   It usually makes them worse.

 Unless you are talking Stereoscopic 3D  (floats in and out of the
screen via 3d glasses)  ..  then I would agree.

[patrickl]

hence the smiley

[pinballwizard79]

I downloaded the demo, its fun.

[MPS]

Tempest  ISNT   Tempest  if there is no  SPINNER CONTROL.

Xiaou2, you have made it quite clear that you don't like Tempest 2000, and that's fine.  Everyone has their tastes and everyone is entitled to their opinion.  However, you are really making yourself look foolish by spreading misinformation when it is clear you are biased against the game.   

Tempest 2000 on the Jag has support for spinner control.  It was built into the software in anticipation of an Atari spinner that never saw the light of day.  The plans to build a Jag spinner have been available many places on the web for years.....including on this very site.  I have done it myself, and it is a very easy mod for someone who frequents this site and truly appreciates why building your own custom controller is usually better than something bought off the shelf.

http://arcadecontrols.com/arcade_spinners.shtml#AtariJaguar

The PSOne version of the same game, Tempest X3, also supports a spinner.  If you don't want to make your own, a Ridge Racer controller works just as well.  That same controller works wonders for the "Pong" and "Breakout" games that Atari/Hasbro Interactive put out during that time. 

[MPS]

I've had a few days to play Galaga Legions.  I'm up to about 2.8 million points, which put me around #480 on the XBLA leaderboard.  I think there are some great gameplay here that pays homage to classic coin-op games in general.  Overall, I'd say it is a good solid game.....that shouldn't have the Galaga name attached to it.

Having Toru Iwatani develop Pac-Man C.E. made all of the difference in the world.  He managed to find the right combination of modernizing a classic while retaining the feel of the original.  Galaga Legions does not do this.  Too many changes in visuals and gameplay mechanics have been made, and the end result is a game that is not Galaga.  Again, I do think it is a very good game....but it ain't Galaga.

[Ortizimo!]

Dont know why i bother posting this since so many already have said the same thing...this thing sucks...Microsoft needs to mind their own @$@#$ business creating other crappy stuff and hardware and leave the arcades along.

This is turning to be just like hollywood, with sequels that SUCK so they can just take $.

Arcades are not meant for the PC unless you count the emu community and for a good, valid reason. Consoles are just that, games with lots of colors and wow effects but no substantial game play. This is why arcades have a hold on gamers and dont die.

Maybe in 50 years someone will be building an retro XP system to play GTA and such. 

[Singapura]

Consoles are just that, games with lots of colors and wow effects but no substantial game play. This is why arcades have a hold on gamers and dont die.

Maybe you should try and join the 21st century  I agree that there is a trend of reviving "old" names to get extra cash but to state that modern consoles don't offer substantial game play is just not true. Games like Bioshock and Metal Gear Solid offer substantially more game play then Galaga or Pacman. "Arcades" don't have a hold of gamers and are slowly but surely dying out. The new Japanese style shooters (of which the new Galaga is a prime example) and fighters are all that keep the arcades alive, at last in Asia. In Europe only slotmachines and a few sit downs can be found in the old arcade halls. Classic arcades games are just like vinyl records, they won't die out as long as there are people around with fond memories of the "old days" but as soon as that generation is gone only a very few "connoisseurs" will be left. I.m.h.o. the best way is to enjoy both the old and the new. Play the classics like they should be played, on a cab but enjoy the new games any way you want to.

[isucamper]

Heh... it's probably a mistake to do this... as there is already so much BS floating around in this thread.

But I'm going to do it anyway!!!!

There's a site called Metacritic which basically compiles all game reviews for all games and averages out the scores into a single rating.  By doing so, games are given a "Metascore" which is the overall score for that game taking into consideration all professional reviews that have been written for it. 

As of today, Galaga Legions is 12 points higher than the original Galaga.

http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=galaga&ty=0

 

[AtomSmasher]

Heh... it's probably a mistake to do this... as there is already so much BS floating around in this thread.

But I'm going to do it anyway!!!!

There's a site called Metacritic which basically compiles all game reviews for all games and averages out the scores into a single rating.  By doing so, games are given a "Metascore" which is the overall score for that game taking into consideration all professional reviews that have been written for it. 

As of today, Galaga Legions is 12 points higher than the original Galaga.

http://www.metacritic.com/search/process?sort=relevance&termType=all&ts=galaga&ty=0

 

Umm...you do realize that the reviews are for the re-release of Galaga on the Xbox 360 and not for the arcade Galaga.  I really doubt there were ever complaints of "iffy-controls" with the original arcade version of Galaga (saw it as a complaint glancing at the reviews of the re-release).

And I don't think anyone who's actually played it have said Galaga Legions is a bad game, just that it shouldn't be called Galaga.

[Xiaou2]

Maybe you should try and join the 21st century  Huh

This has nothing to do with any "Generation".

 A true  Artwork transcends all of time.   

Games like Bioshock and Metal Gear Solid offer substantially more game play then Galaga or Pacman.

 All games have "gameplay".   The question is...  Is that GOOD gameplay?
Pacman, Galaga and Robotron...etc... will always be remembered.   Bioshock
will be forgotten in a few years.


 Like Most FPS games... the Gameplay is basically identical.  Its a certain Kind of
gameplay.   Weather of not its more complex means very little.

 A game like Robotron is much more fun and challenging to play... and unlike
those Fps games,  it never get old. (great replay value)    The gameplay mechanics
are more simple... yet the game is FAR superior.   Its a 'Desert Island' game.
(the one game you would choose if you were stranded on an island... and had the
means to keep it powered)

"Arcades" don't have a hold of gamers and are slowly but surely dying out.

 This is mainly a result in poor gameplay  and stale repeated gameplay types (or
poorly executed and imbalanced). 
IE: All racing games or shooting games.   Nothing original, creative,  or captivating anymore.  Graphics that get old quickly (unlike a game like Outrun, which still looks
like a work of art), and challenge that is non-existent. (games are too easy and childish)
Or simply are designed quarter munchers (no skill required... just need lots of cash
to succeed)

The new Japanese style shooters (of which the new Galaga is a prime example) and fighters are all that keep the arcades alive, at last in Asia.

 I would suspect that several Japanese companies would take great offense
to you putting the new Galaga in the same line as their works.   

 At least with them... they have a team of skilled artists designing detailed
graphics and backgrounds.   New Galaga?!  Pff.  Nothing but special effects.


 And Btw - No... Im not a big fan of the new Japanese shooters... because they
have lost their way.   Too many bullets onscreen, and again as posted.. they
are merely quarter munchers.   A game like Thunderforce II for genesis stomps
them in gamplay and replay.  Its limited continues provide a reason for you to
come back and try again later to beat it.    Popping quarters in to get to the
end merely makes it a movie than a game.. and it loses all its value or reason
to play it more than once.  Success in such a game also means nothing.  Its an
empty victory.   Unlike the year of off and on play it took me to beat TFII... upon which
still holds meaning to me to this day.  It was quite a memorable feat.. unlike when
I beat Blazing Star... which holds no value to me at all.  In fact, I cant even remember
Blazing Star that much..  yet I can recall every single detail on TFII.   That says a Lot.

Classic arcades games are just like vinyl records, they won't die out as long as there are people around with fond memories of the "old days" but as soon as that generation is gone only a very few "connoisseurs" will be left. I.m.h.o. the best way is to enjoy both the old and the new. Play the classics like they should be played, on a cab but enjoy the new games any way you want to.

 It matters not weather a game is New or Old.  Just the same as music or any
other artform.   I will play and even purchase games that are made new today IF
they are good and worth it.   However... that is a real rarity in todays times...
as the quality is severely lacking.  The gameplay "type" does not interest me... or
the gameplay is poorly imbalanced..etc.     

 The graphics on the older games could certainly use updates.. and in fact,
there could be some brilliant expansions on Classic games such as adding the
Helicopter part in Spy Hunter that didnt get to be added in the original due to
time and or hardware constraints. 


 Galaga was never my top favorite shooter... yet, its a fun game,  and has
certain gameplay qualities that make it a game that is always great to
play.    That cant be said for many of clones, remakes, or even other shooters.

 Of course, even Namco screwed up their own sequel to Galaga.  (Gaplus)

 

[Xiaou2]

 
 I want to add..  that this game wouldnt even get noticed if it didnt have the
Galaga name on it. 

 There are tons of better shooters all over the net.  Many of the Freeware
shooters destroy this craptastic game.

[isucamper]

Umm...you do realize that the reviews are for the re-release of Galaga on the Xbox 360 and not for the arcade Galaga.

yes yes, of course. kinda hard to miss the "Xbox 360" tag next to the game's name.  However, besides the controls, the game is just an emulation of the arcade, so there's not a lot else they can get wrong.

Bioshock will be forgotten in a few years.

Dude, I know it's pointless to argue with you, but come on.  Bioshock had some of the most visceral moments in the history of media entertainment.  It does things with it's narrative and emergent gameplay that no classic game can EVER hope to accomplish.  It has won countless awards and is generally accepted to be one of the greatest games ever made.  That doesn't make it better or worse than a classic game, it just makes it different and there's absolutely no reason to compare the two (kinda like apples and oranges).  They both can both exist and provide enjoyment to those that take interest in them.  That being said, Bioshock most definitely won't be forgotten in just a few years.  The emergent aspects of its gameplay are already inspiring and driving other game developers to push things further in terms of the interactive experience.

I don't want to be harsh, but you really come off as not having a clue as to the current state of video games. 

[AtomSmasher]

Umm...you do realize that the reviews are for the re-release of Galaga on the Xbox 360 and not for the arcade Galaga.

yes yes, of course. kinda hard to miss the "Xbox 360" tag next to the game's name.  However, besides the controls, the game is just an emulation of the arcade, so there's not a lot else they can get wrong.

Besides the controls?  Bad controls is all it takes to ruin a game like Galaga.  I'm guessing you never made it very far in Galaga because the because sloppy controls would make the game impossible on higher levels.  Also, if you look at the reviews, most of them mark it down for not having online multiplayer, which is not exactly a feature classic arcade games are known for.

If the point your trying to make by posting the reviews of two 360 games is that the new Galaga is better then the old one, then your on the wrong forums.

[Spaced Ace]

Its garbage.

[Xiaou2]

Bioshock had some of the most visceral moments in the history of media entertainment.   It does things with it's narrative and emergent gameplay that no classic game can EVER hope to accomplish. 

   Many games in history have been designed to create emotional impact.   
Heck, going back to my C64 days... they had two games that used psychological
tactics that scared the crap out of you.   All that, and they didnt even need a movie
or script.

 Later, many RPG's have used interactive storytelling, character interactions and
short animation clips.   Its hardly anything new.    The only thing different is the
available media space they now have - which allows more interactions, and longer
movies...etc.


 

It has won countless awards and is generally accepted to be one of the greatest games ever made.

 I guess because THEY said that - then somehow they must be right.     Just like if
THEY said seafood taste the best... that somehow I shouldnt toss my cookies
when I try to eat it, right?!

 Just like if the TV says that the latest movie is the GREATEST MOVIE EVER
PRODUCED... that I should immediately agree, run to see it,  and funnily wonder
how the heck I COULD BE SO WRONG FOR THINKING THE MOVIE SUCKED!

 Let me give you a clue...  I dont care What other people think.  (Especially paid
for game reviewers).   I go by my own personal experiences and tastes.

That doesn't make it better or worse than a classic game, it just makes it different and there's absolutely no reason to compare the two (kinda like apples and oranges).

 The idea in this thread, was to compare the Original Galaga..  to the Fake galaga.
And, yes, I CAN compare any game to any other game.   Its my right as a humanoid.

 If I find that the movie   Aliens is much better than Alien... then I can say that.   
If I say that I played Robotron, and Played Halo... and found Robotron to be much
more fun....  then that is exactly what I did here.

 Yes, they are different Kinds of games.   And as Ive said countless times before...
Im not a big fan of the 1st person perspective games unless its racing or similar,
for countless reasons.  (Not because Im older.. or that I never played any
FPS games... or that I wanst part of the generation..etc.)


 BioShock at its core... is still a FPS.   Its the same control basically as Doom.
The only changes are interactivity, storyline, graphics, etc.   All of which WOULD have
been put in a game at DOOMs time period... had they had the technology to do so...
as such developments are incredibly OBVIOUS.

 
 None of the improvements change the games Core type.   If you take chess, and
add fancy parts to it... its still chess.   Even if you add a few new things to it.. 
It still plays like chess.  If you were to describe it... you would say,
"Its like Chess, but with..."   Just like if I were to describe a platform game... I might
say that it played like Super Mario World.   Thats a certain game play type. 

 In the last like 20yrs.. the commercial PC gameplay type has just about stayed stale.  The same exact type of play.  (and many of the consoles followed too)
 The only things changed were the obvious things.   Yet basically, the games all play
the same exact way.  Its like playing the same game for 20yrs time.   

 Yet, if you look at the older times... you had such a variety of different game types.
They didnt just make the same gametype over and over again.  There was actual
variety and originality. 


 One of the most popular games in History may actually be Super Mario Brothers.
Its one of the few games that girls and even adults actually played.  Yet... in
all these years... How many big names companies have actually made
a platformer for the PC?

 Do you think that all those Mario players just decided it was better to play
a FPS?  Nope.   It was simply a decision by the industry to keep making crappy
FPS games.    It helps to keep people buying the latest $300 video cards,
and buying new pcs just so they can play the same boring slow game type over
and over again.  (at very low Frames per second)
 

 Today, they make it seem like making a 2d platformer or any other non
FPS game is Ancient and obsolete.   Yet, its a valid gametype.  That would be
like saying that because we have beef... we should take chicken off the menu!
Its ludicrous.


 Yet its funny.. because we have here now a remake of a 2d game... in 2d,
and yet,  they choose to intentionally have it as a Low budget half-arsed project.
Ahh - but they NEEDED the name of the Original to try to make it sell at all.
Now that is the real funny part of it all!

 A game like Robotron may not seem all that complex...  but it wasnt like the game
was produced in a week!   It wasnt Low budget.   And once it was made... they
spent countless hours honing in the perfect levels of difficulty, timings, etc... all to
make the game one of the greatest games that has ever been made.   

 In the arcades... you couldnt just put a game out there.   If it was too easy.. they
wouldnt make any money... but also... the customer would get bored of it in seconds
and never play again.   Yet... to difficult in the first few rounds,  and it may discourage
players altogether.   And then they also had to make sure that there were no
glaring control issues, and ease and flawless operations... right down to developing
their own incredibly sturdy controllers.

 This kind of dedication to perfection, is rarely seen today.  Its a reason why
people get so frustrated in games made today.  Why people are screaming mad
about companies trying to revive a classic in a non classical way. (cheap, low
budget, poor balancing/gameplay, and just plain sloppy)


 The lack of quality software needs to borrow the reputation from a high quality, superiorly designed game.  Amazing.    Kinda like those horrific song remakes
you hear on the radio by the latest pop stars.   Completely butchering classics...
just because they have nothing substantial to offer themselves.   And to make a
quick and easy dollar - without regard to quality and dedication.  (and originality/creativity)
 

That being said, Bioshock most definitely won't be forgotten in just a few years.  The emergent aspects of its gameplay are already inspiring and driving other game developers to push things further in terms of the interactive experience.

 That kind of thing was said for a game like  Wolfenstein and Doom.  And every
few years when something else new came out that tweaked the formula a little bit.
And yet, its not really that impressive at all.   Its simply the logical extension of copying
reality.   That alone does not make a game great.

 I highly doubt people would be firing up an emulator to play Bioshock 20yrs from now.
Neither for nostolgia.. or because it was once called the greatest innovator in video
games of all time!         No... by that time,  FPS will have advanced to the next
level of looks and interactions... and it will pale in comparison.   (Just like most people
couldnt stomach a game of Woldenstein or Doom anymore)

 Yet, people will still be playing Robotron.   Both old generation, and New.  That is
what a true classic game is.   Its a game that is more than just a pretty exterior.  Its
gameplay is highly polished and highly original. 

I don't want to be harsh, but you really come off as not having a clue as to the current state of video games.

 Ive been in the Game scene all my life. Playing the majority of the popular
classics in the arcade on a regular basis.   Owning almost every console, several
non PC computers such as the C64, Amiga..etc, doing a tiny bit of programming,
make game designs myself, and having helped other with their games artwork and
direction. 

 Ive attended game conventions/shows, auctions, etc.  I own a few arcade machines
and pins. Ive built my own pcs since the days of the Amd 300..  and have even been
around before that to play games like Wolfenstein and Simcity on my EX's pc when
they were pretty much brand new.

 Some acquaintances and friends of mine have had many of the latest 3d games...
and so Ive seen them, and played them briefly - of course, not being impressed...
and quit within minutes of play.  (as they all play basically the same as the previous)

 The only thing of recent times that has had any real draw to it has been
Guitar Hero.  (which I own version2)   And even that gametype is getting stale.
(they need to make Keytar (keyboard) Hero.. where one can actually learn to play
real music)

 Yes, Ive pretty much kept up on games.   And maybe its because Ive seen
and played so much... that I am much more critical than others.

 Or maybe its simply because Im not a fan of CGI over real art (or real hand built
models),  and the overused and dreaded FPS engine type.  And the death of the
2d realm merely for the 3d experience - at the sacrifice of superior gameplay...
(I could go on and on)


 To each his own... but to me, this game stinks.

[isucamper]

I'm guessing you never made it very far in Galaga because the because sloppy controls would make the game impossible on higher levels.  Also, if you look at the reviews, most of them mark it down for not having online multiplayer, which is not exactly a feature classic arcade games are known for.

If the point your trying to make by posting the reviews of two 360 games is that the new Galaga is better then the old one, then your on the wrong forums.

Ok, you know what?  This elitist attitude that most of you guys carry around with you is starting to piss me off.  I didn't post my opinion of either Galaga or Galaga Legions.  I posted a link to let others draw from it what they wanted to.  And I didn't do it to make any grand statement about your favorite game of all time, I did it as a joke.  Everyone knows that classic arcade ports are hindered on XBLA because of the horrible digital pad on the 360 controller. 

Where do you get off telling me I'm in the wrong forum?  The name of this thread is "A new Galaga!"  And I posted links to reviews of not only this new Galaga which (I'm assuming) is safe to discuss here (maybe I should have checked with a mod first to be sure it was ok), but also to a PORT of the old Galaga that you all are so inclined to intensely compare it to.  Maybe I am in the wrong forum, as this thread is teaching me that most you guys follow the asinine forum mentality of telling those that don't agree with you that they aren’t welcome.  I've been telling people for months how great this place is, how ready everyone is to help each other and how nice you all are.  But have a single independent thought and this place turns into every other forum on the web. 

These are video games we're discussing here, not the world news.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion without fear of being told to leave.  Even Xiaou2, who at least has the balls to stick to his opinions when everyone is telling him he's wrong and he even attempts to back up his thoughts with logical reasoning (as crazy as that reasoning seems to some of us).  I would so rather deal with someone trying to think logically than someone who tells me to leave the second I say something he doesn't agree with. 

[AtomSmasher]

Ok, you know what?  This elitist attitude that most of you guys carry around with you is starting to piss me off.  I didn't post my opinion of either Galaga or Galaga Legions.  I posted a link to let others draw from it what they wanted to.  And I didn't do it to make any grand statement about your favorite game of all time, I did it as a joke.  Everyone knows that classic arcade ports are hindered on XBLA because of the horrible digital pad on the 360 controller. 

Then why did you try to defend the port and the decision to use the port as an indicator of the reviews of the original game when I pointed out it had poor controls?  And if your goal was to let others draw their opinions from the information, then why are you getting upset when all I'm doing is posting my opinion of it?

Where do you get off telling me I'm in the wrong forum?  The name of this thread is "A new Galaga!"  And I posted links to reviews of not only this new Galaga which (I'm assuming) is safe to discuss here (maybe I should have checked with a mod first to be sure it was ok), but also to a PORT of the old Galaga that you all are so inclined to intensely compare it to.  Maybe I am in the wrong forum, as this thread is teaching me that most you guys follow the asinine forum mentality of telling those that don't agree with you that they aren’t welcome.  I've been telling people for months how great this place is, how ready everyone is to help each other and how nice you all are.  But have a single independent thought and this place turns into every other forum on the web. 

These are video games we're discussing here, not the world news.  Everyone is entitled to an opinion without fear of being told to leave.  Even Xiaou2, who at least has the balls to stick to his opinions when everyone is telling him he's wrong and he even attempts to back up his thoughts with logical reasoning (as crazy as that reasoning seems to some of us).  I would so rather deal with someone trying to think logically than someone who tells me to leave the second I say something he doesn't agree with. 

Wow, so apparently you completely mis-interpreted my last comment.  I wasn't saying not to post your opinions (or information for that matter, since you never posted an opinion) on this forum because thats exactly what this forum is for.  Let me rephrase my last comment:  If your opinion is that Galaga Legions is better then the original Galaga, then you won't find much support for that opinion on a forum dedicated to spending a lot of money to play classic games in their original state.  You will have many people disagreeing with you, which is perfectly fine, but it's something you should be expecting.

[isucamper]

Bioshock had some of the most visceral moments in the history of media entertainment.   It does things with it's narrative and emergent gameplay that no classic game can EVER hope to accomplish. 

   Many games in history have been designed to create emotional impact.   
Heck, going back to my C64 days... they had two games that used psychological
tactics that scared the crap out of you.   All that, and they didnt even need a movie
or script.

 Later, many RPG's have used interactive storytelling, character interactions and
short animation clips.   Its hardly anything new.    The only thing different is the
available media space they now have - which allows more interactions, and longer
movies...etc.


 

It has won countless awards and is generally accepted to be one of the greatest games ever made.

 I guess because THEY said that - then somehow they must be right.     Just like if
THEY said seafood taste the best... that somehow I shouldnt toss my cookies
when I try to eat it, right?!

 Just like if the TV says that the latest movie is the GREATEST MOVIE EVER
PRODUCED... that I should immediately agree, run to see it,  and funnily wonder
how the heck I COULD BE SO WRONG FOR THINKING THE MOVIE SUCKED!

 Let me give you a clue...  I dont care What other people think.  (Especially paid
for game reviewers).   I go by my own personal experiences and tastes.

That doesn't make it better or worse than a classic game, it just makes it different and there's absolutely no reason to compare the two (kinda like apples and oranges).

 The idea in this thread, was to compare the Original Galaga..  to the Fake galaga.
And, yes, I CAN compare any game to any other game.   Its my right as a humanoid.

 If I find that the movie   Aliens is much better than Alien... then I can say that.   
If I say that I played Robotron, and Played Halo... and found Robotron to be much
more fun....  then that is exactly what I did here.

 Yes, they are different Kinds of games.   And as Ive said countless times before...
Im not a big fan of the 1st person perspective games unless its racing or similar,
for countless reasons.  (Not because Im older.. or that I never played any
FPS games... or that I wanst part of the generation..etc.)


 BioShock at its core... is still a FPS.   Its the same control basically as Doom.
The only changes are interactivity, storyline, graphics, etc.   All of which WOULD have
been put in a game at DOOMs time period... had they had the technology to do so...
as such developments are incredibly OBVIOUS.

 
 None of the improvements change the games Core type.   If you take chess, and
add fancy parts to it... its still chess.   Even if you add a few new things to it.. 
It still plays like chess.  If you were to describe it... you would say,
"Its like Chess, but with..."   Just like if I were to describe a platform game... I might
say that it played like Super Mario World.   Thats a certain game play type. 

 In the last like 20yrs.. the commercial PC gameplay type has just about stayed stale.  The same exact type of play.  (and many of the consoles followed too)
 The only things changed were the obvious things.   Yet basically, the games all play
the same exact way.  Its like playing the same game for 20yrs time.   

 Yet, if you look at the older times... you had such a variety of different game types.
They didnt just make the same gametype over and over again.  There was actual
variety and originality. 


 One of the most popular games in History may actually be Super Mario Brothers.
Its one of the few games that girls and even adults actually played.  Yet... in
all these years... How many big names companies have actually made
a platformer for the PC?

 Do you think that all those Mario players just decided it was better to play
a FPS?  Nope.   It was simply a decision by the industry to keep making crappy
FPS games.    It helps to keep people buying the latest $300 video cards,
and buying new pcs just so they can play the same boring slow game type over
and over again.  (at very low Frames per second)
 

 Today, they make it seem like making a 2d platformer or any other non
FPS game is Ancient and obsolete.   Yet, its a valid gametype.  That would be
like saying that because we have beef... we should take chicken off the menu!
Its ludicrous.


 Yet its funny.. because we have here now a remake of a 2d game... in 2d,
and yet,  they choose to intentionally have it as a Low budget half-arsed project.
Ahh - but they NEEDED the name of the Original to try to make it sell at all.
Now that is the real funny part of it all!

 A game like Robotron may not seem all that complex...  but it wasnt like the game
was produced in a week!   It wasnt Low budget.   And once it was made... they
spent countless hours honing in the perfect levels of difficulty, timings, etc... all to
make the game one of the greatest games that has ever been made.   

 In the arcades... you couldnt just put a game out there.   If it was too easy.. they
wouldnt make any money... but also... the customer would get bored of it in seconds
and never play again.   Yet... to difficult in the first few rounds,  and it may discourage
players altogether.   And then they also had to make sure that there were no
glaring control issues, and ease and flawless operations... right down to developing
their own incredibly sturdy controllers.

 This kind of dedication to perfection, is rarely seen today.  Its a reason why
people get so frustrated in games made today.  Why people are screaming mad
about companies trying to revive a classic in a non classical way. (cheap, low
budget, poor balancing/gameplay, and just plain sloppy)


 The lack of quality software needs to borrow the reputation from a high quality, superiorly designed game.  Amazing.    Kinda like those horrific song remakes
you hear on the radio by the latest pop stars.   Completely butchering classics...
just because they have nothing substantial to offer themselves.   And to make a
quick and easy dollar - without regard to quality and dedication.  (and originality/creativity)
 

That being said, Bioshock most definitely won't be forgotten in just a few years.  The emergent aspects of its gameplay are already inspiring and driving other game developers to push things further in terms of the interactive experience.

 That kind of thing was said for a game like  Wolfenstein and Doom.  And every
few years when something else new came out that tweaked the formula a little bit.
And yet, its not really that impressive at all.   Its simply the logical extension of copying
reality.   That alone does not make a game great.

 I highly doubt people would be firing up an emulator to play Bioshock 20yrs from now.
Neither for nostolgia.. or because it was once called the greatest innovator in video
games of all time!         No... by that time,  FPS will have advanced to the next
level of looks and interactions... and it will pale in comparison.   (Just like most people
couldnt stomach a game of Woldenstein or Doom anymore)

 Yet, people will still be playing Robotron.   Both old generation, and New.  That is
what a true classic game is.   Its a game that is more than just a pretty exterior.  Its
gameplay is highly polished and highly original. 

I don't want to be harsh, but you really come off as not having a clue as to the current state of video games.

 Ive been in the Game scene all my life. Playing the majority of the popular
classics in the arcade on a regular basis.   Owning almost every console, several
non PC computers such as the C64, Amiga..etc, doing a tiny bit of programming,
make game designs myself, and having helped other with their games artwork and
direction. 

 Ive attended game conventions/shows, auctions, etc.  I own a few arcade machines
and pins. Ive built my own pcs since the days of the Amd 300..  and have even been
around before that to play games like Wolfenstein and Simcity on my EX's pc when
they were pretty much brand new.

 Some acquaintances and friends of mine have had many of the latest 3d games...
and so Ive seen them, and played them briefly - of course, not being impressed...
and quit within minutes of play.  (as they all play basically the same as the previous)

 The only thing of recent times that has had any real draw to it has been
Guitar Hero.  (which I own version2)   And even that gametype is getting stale.
(they need to make Keytar (keyboard) Hero.. where one can actually learn to play
real music)

 Yes, Ive pretty much kept up on games.   And maybe its because Ive seen
and played so much... that I am much more critical than others.

 Or maybe its simply because Im not a fan of CGI over real art (or real hand built
models),  and the overused and dreaded FPS engine type.  And the death of the
2d realm merely for the 3d experience - at the sacrifice of superior gameplay...
(I could go on and on)


 To each his own... but to me, this game stinks.

I kid you not... I just spent 1 hour typing in replies to each an every one of your points... and when I hit post... my session had timed out.  I seriously want to cry right now.

[isucamper]

If your opinion is that Galaga Legions is better then the original Galaga, then you won't find much support for that opinion on a forum dedicated to spending a lot of money to play classic games in their original state.  You will have many people disagreeing with you, which is perfectly fine, but it's something you should be expecting.

I've never played it, how could I have an opinion?  Honestly, I don't even plan on playing it until after I download Bionic Commando Rearmed and Pixel Junk Eden.  If I did have an opinion and it was that I liked the game, would that opinion be immediatly twisted into that I like Legions more than the original?  Why does it have to be better or worse than the original?  Why can't they both be good?  Why does this thread even have to have anything to do with the original at all?

I'm sorry, I'm still reeling from loosing my last post to Xiaou2... it was really funny and thought provoking.  It really was.  I should know better than trying to go head to head with that guy.  I want my afternooon back.  I should be painting my cab. 

[AtomSmasher]

If I did have an opinion and it was that I liked the game, would that opinion be immediatly twisted into that I like Legions more than the original?  Why does it have to be better or worse than the original?  Why can't they both be good?  Why does this thread even have to have anything to do with the original at all?

Several other people did like the game and no one has twisted their words to mean they like it over the original Galaga.  You specifically brought up that Galaga Legions was better reviewed then a poor re-release of the original, and stated it in such a way to look like Galaga Legions was better reviewed then the original arcade version of Galaga.  I brought up the errors of your comparision, and you then defended your comparision (essentially saying that the original Galaga was equal to the re-release, even though the re-release had flaws that the original did not have) which could only make me think that you did like Legions over the original.  Obviously that point wasn't completely clear which is why I phrased my comment about your point in the form of a question.

And this thread has to do with the original because they used the name of the original on the new game.  As MPS said, "Overall, I'd say it is a good solid game.....that shouldn't have the Galaga name attached to it.",  which sums it up nicely.

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