TinyXP and MAME etc

[protokatie]

I have an old compy that I want to use for my MAME computer, but I had cleared the old XP I had on it (it got bricked and I didnt have the recovery discs). I was wondering how MAME, MALA and a few other things would work with TinyXP.. For instance I will need to:

1. Run MALA (or another front end)
2. Run MAME32
3. Set up a home network in TinyXP so I can use my MAME computer as a file sharer in my home network (I guess this is the more critical tinyXp question)

Im sure many of you peeps have used TinyXP before for MAME cabs, are all of these possible with it?

[ark_ader]

Yep and it works a treat.

Just make sure you have a license for the OS. 

[Sir Auros]

I thought TinyXP had network sharing stuff removed?

[protokatie]

Yep and it works a treat.

Just make sure you have a license for the OS.

So the network detection and home networking stuff works well?

Also, the compy has a licence sticker on it for XP home, and it had a legal copy working until it got bricked... I dont think you can get licences for an illegal version of XP (IE tiny Xp) but I dont care, M$ made a horrid OS that I paid for, so I will feel justified by installing a smaller version of that SAME OS on the SAME HD I had the legal (but now bricked) OS on. Im not going to buy the same OS for one computer I already bought the OS for.

(In this case, Bricked OS = wouldnt even let the BIOS screen come up. I had to boot using linux. Dont know how a bricked OS can prevent even the POST from starting...)

[ark_ader]

Yep and it works a treat.

Just make sure you have a license for the OS.

So the network detection and home networking stuff works well?

Also, the compy has a licence sticker on it for XP home, and it had a legal copy working until it got bricked... I dont think you can get licences for an illegal version of XP (IE tiny Xp) but I dont care, M$ made a horrid OS that I paid for, so I will feel justified by installing a smaller version of that SAME OS on the SAME HD I had the legal (but now bricked) OS on. Im not going to buy the same OS for one computer I already bought the OS for.

(In this case, Bricked OS = wouldnt even let the BIOS screen come up. I had to boot using linux. Dont know how a bricked OS can prevent even the POST from starting...)

The last version I had downloaded had a working network configuration, so I could use my home NAS to pull up the roms that I use for the main PC (when I'm tired of standing).  I can't remember off the top of my head the version, but I'm sure you will find it if you look hard enough.

There is a new version that allows XP to run on any X86 processor, but I haven't tried it on a P120 yet.

 
No excuse for not being legit.  XP licenses are for one MACHINE not two, so if your PC was poopoo'd and had a license on the base, then off you go to the computer shop and buy an OEM version of XP.  Tiny XP is just XP with a modified ISO that is stripped of all the baggage.  Just saves you going to buy XP Lite and doing the trimming yourself, which I discourage and you should buy XP lite and have some fun learning to pull your hair out.

Anyhow it works and after reading the posts in Software you will have a nice snazzy machine.  I like Mamewah myself and the excellent support on such a product that deserves a plug and all the praise I can give.   

[Namco]

Yep and it works a treat.

Just make sure you have a license for the OS.

So the network detection and home networking stuff works well?

Also, the compy has a licence sticker on it for XP home, and it had a legal copy working until it got bricked... I dont think you can get licences for an illegal version of XP (IE tiny Xp) but I dont care, M$ made a horrid OS that I paid for, so I will feel justified by installing a smaller version of that SAME OS on the SAME HD I had the legal (but now bricked) OS on. Im not going to buy the same OS for one computer I already bought the OS for.

(In this case, Bricked OS = wouldnt even let the BIOS screen come up. I had to boot using linux. Dont know how a bricked OS can prevent even the POST from starting...)

The last version I had downloaded had a working network configuration, so I could use my home NAS to pull up the roms that I use for the main PC (when I'm tired of standing).  I can't remember off the top of my head the version, but I'm sure you will find it if you look hard enough.

There is a new version that allows XP to run on any X86 processor, but I haven't tried it on a P120 yet.

 
No excuse for not being legit.  XP licenses are for one MACHINE not two, so if your PC was poopoo'd and had a license on the base, then off you go to the computer shop and buy an OEM version of XP.  Tiny XP is just XP with a modified ISO that is stripped of all the baggage.  Just saves you going to buy XP Lite and doing the trimming yourself, which I discourage and you should buy XP lite and have some fun learning to pull your hair out.

Anyhow it works and after reading the posts in Software you will have a nice snazzy machine.  I like Mamewah myself and the excellent support on such a product that deserves a plug and all the praise I can give.   

You have the license for XP on that computer and XP does need to be installed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with installing XP again on that machine. In large enterprise like the company I work for, all Microsoft requires is that you have the most current or an equivalent license for the software that you are installing. For example buying an Office 2000 license even though you're installing Office '97. They don't care what version you install. However, that machine is licensed for XP home. Make sure you don't go and  install XP Pro on it. 

BTW on my Tiny XP install, networking works, as in DHCP and Internet is fine, however you cannot access other computers because the Server service and the Workstation service are turned off. You would need to turn them on and perhaps some other services too to be able to transfer files to it over the network.

[ark_ader]

Yep and it works a treat.

Just make sure you have a license for the OS.

So the network detection and home networking stuff works well?

Also, the compy has a licence sticker on it for XP home, and it had a legal copy working until it got bricked... I dont think you can get licences for an illegal version of XP (IE tiny Xp) but I dont care, M$ made a horrid OS that I paid for, so I will feel justified by installing a smaller version of that SAME OS on the SAME HD I had the legal (but now bricked) OS on. Im not going to buy the same OS for one computer I already bought the OS for.

(In this case, Bricked OS = wouldnt even let the BIOS screen come up. I had to boot using linux. Dont know how a bricked OS can prevent even the POST from starting...)

The last version I had downloaded had a working network configuration, so I could use my home NAS to pull up the roms that I use for the main PC (when I'm tired of standing).  I can't remember off the top of my head the version, but I'm sure you will find it if you look hard enough.

There is a new version that allows XP to run on any X86 processor, but I haven't tried it on a P120 yet.

 
No excuse for not being legit.  XP licenses are for one MACHINE not two, so if your PC was poopoo'd and had a license on the base, then off you go to the computer shop and buy an OEM version of XP.  Tiny XP is just XP with a modified ISO that is stripped of all the baggage.  Just saves you going to buy XP Lite and doing the trimming yourself, which I discourage and you should buy XP lite and have some fun learning to pull your hair out.

Anyhow it works and after reading the posts in Software you will have a nice snazzy machine.  I like Mamewah myself and the excellent support on such a product that deserves a plug and all the praise I can give.   

You have the license for XP on that computer and XP does need to be installed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with installing XP again on that machine. In large enterprise like the company I work for, all Microsoft requires is that you have the most current or an equivalent license for the software that you are installing. For example buying an Office 2000 license even though you're installing Office '97. They don't care what version you install. However, that machine is licensed for XP home. Make sure you don't go and  install XP Pro on it. 

BTW on my Tiny XP install, networking works, as in DHCP and Internet is fine, however you cannot access other computers because the Server service and the Workstation service are turned off. You would need to turn them on and perhaps some other services too to be able to transfer files to it over the network.

Enterprise and Home is different.  What you get up to behind corporate walls and what you do at home is not the same.  Yes, you could go that route and I don't think anyone would be any wiser, but YOU would know the difference.

I'm different.  I buy the license because its the right thing to do, like all the software I use is bought and paid for.  I wish Tiny XP was available on Microsoft's website.  But there is another way you could google BartPE and tinker with that.  Not the same but it works.  On that TinyXP version I have, server services is working as is Internet.

[Lakersfan]

I'm not sure what version of TinyXP you're using, but mine has had most of the drivers removed, including joystick drivers. So if you have the U360's, beware... I couldn't find standard Windows joystick drivers ANYWHERE and ended up installing another version of XP.

[NOP]

TinyXP (at least the version 06 that I'm using) has 4 different installation types.  You can pick with or without drivers and with or without IE, outlook, etc in any combination.

IIRC, I installed without drivers, without outlook or IE, then installed my motherboard's drivers which included a USB driver and network, so I was up and running fine with my U360s and sharing files on my home network in just a few minutes.

Either way, TinyXP is the way to go.  Without all the bloat, it boots insanely fast and installs in a couple hundred meg at most. 

Just a word of warning:  After it copies all the files to the hard drive and reboots for the first time, my machine didn't put a message on the screen telling me to wait.  All I got was a mouse pointer on a black screen.  Don't panic.  Just go get some coffee and come back in 10 minutes or so and you'll eventually have it installed.

-jeff!

[Grasshopper]

No excuse for not being legit.  XP licenses are for one MACHINE not two, so if your PC was poopoo'd and had a license on the base, then off you go to the computer shop and buy an OEM version of XP.  Tiny XP is just XP with a modified ISO that is stripped of all the baggage.  Just saves you going to buy XP Lite and doing the trimming yourself, which I discourage and you should buy XP lite and have some fun learning to pull your hair out.

Well as far as I’m concerned, there’s absolutely nothing morally wrong with re-installing XP if you’ve already paid for a copy but lost the original installation disks.

I suspect it's perfectly legal as well but to the best of my knowledge this issue has never actually been tested in court.

M$ might like to give the impression that they can put absolutely any conditions they want in their licence agreements, and that those conditions will always be legally enforceable, but it just doesn't work that way. Consumer laws are entirely different to the laws that govern contracts made between companies. Consumers enjoy a lot more protection because it's recognised that consumers generally haven't the time, inclination, or knowledge to scrutinise all the small print. If M$ tries to put clauses in their EULAs that attempt to override basic consumer laws then they’re on very shaky legal ground.

[pmc]

I'm with protokatie. If it were me, I'd say "I bought one OS, and I got one OS. I'm done".

-pmc

[knave]

Even Microsoft will let you reinstall an os on the same machine if your HD dies using the same license. 

[knave]

Can I install TinyXP over my existing WinXP installation, or do I need to format and start over?

You have to install fresh...

[Lakersfan]

TinyXP (at least the version 06 that I'm using) has 4 different installation types.  You can pick with or without drivers and with or without IE, outlook, etc in any combination.

IIRC, I installed without drivers, without outlook or IE, then installed my motherboard's drivers which included a USB driver and network, so I was up and running fine with my U360s and sharing files on my home network in just a few minutes.

Either way, TinyXP is the way to go.  Without all the bloat, it boots insanely fast and installs in a couple hundred meg at most. 

Just a word of warning:  After it copies all the files to the hard drive and reboots for the first time, my machine didn't put a message on the screen telling me to wait.  All I got was a mouse pointer on a black screen.  Don't panic.  Just go get some coffee and come back in 10 minutes or so and you'll eventually have it installed.

-jeff!

Hmm, I'll have to double check what version I have ... maybe things have changed. Or maybe I did something wrong when I installed the OS to begin with. Thanks Jeff.

[ark_ader]

No excuse for not being legit.  XP licenses are for one MACHINE not two, so if your PC was poopoo'd and had a license on the base, then off you go to the computer shop and buy an OEM version of XP.  Tiny XP is just XP with a modified ISO that is stripped of all the baggage.  Just saves you going to buy XP Lite and doing the trimming yourself, which I discourage and you should buy XP lite and have some fun learning to pull your hair out.

Well as far as I’m concerned, there’s absolutely nothing morally wrong with re-installing XP if you’ve already paid for a copy but lost the original installation disks.

I suspect it's perfectly legal as well but to the best of my knowledge this issue has never actually been tested in court.

M$ might like to give the impression that they can put absolutely any conditions they want in their licence agreements, and that those conditions will always be legally enforceable, but it just doesn't work that way. Consumer laws are entirely different to the laws that govern contracts made between companies. Consumers enjoy a lot more protection because it's recognised that consumers generally haven't the time, inclination, or knowledge to scrutinise all the small print. If M$ tries to put clauses in their EULAs that attempt to override basic consumer laws then they’re on very shaky legal ground.

I used to click through EULAs.  Now I read them, print them out etc.  Its very important to read before agreeing to anything.  Today I know its like buying a house with so many clauses and paperwork. 

There again I cannot condone installing Tiny XP without a license.  You buy XPlite and you make your own Tiny XP.  I have XPlite but could not spend the time tinkering with it.

But yet again....

I can have roms in my cabinet but need to have a legal OS license.

It sounds hypocritical doesn't it?

It does to me. 

[IG-88]

Enterprise and Home is different.  What you get up to behind corporate walls and what you do at home is not the same.  Yes, you could go that route and I don't think anyone would be any wiser, but YOU would know the difference.

I'm different.  I buy the license because its the right thing to do, like all the software I use is bought and paid for.  I wish Tiny XP was available on Microsoft's website.  But there is another way you could google BartPE and tinker with that.  Not the same but it works.  On that TinyXP version I have, server services is working as is Internet.

Maybe I missed something but if you "buy" all your licenses "cause its the right thing to do" then where did you get TinyXP? Walmart? 

[Fozzy The Bear]

Maybe I missed something but if you "buy" all your licenses "cause its the right thing to do" then where did you get TinyXP? Walmart? 

You buy the licence to use the software.... You don't buy the software. It doesn't matter where he got TinyXP. He has a licence to use XP on a single machine. If he's still only using a single copy of XP on his single machine (that he HAS a licence to do) then he's not breaking the law.

Best Regards,
Julian (Fozzy The Bear)

[Organic Jerk]

It doesn't matter where he got TinyXP. He has a licence to use XP on a single machine. If he's still only using a single copy of XP on his single machine (that he HAS a licence to do) then he's not breaking the law.

I dunno...not sure TinyXP would follow the guidelines below

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/eula.mspx

1.2 Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first install the Software unless you supply information required to activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the setup sequence of the Software. You can activate the Software through the use of the Internet or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to reactivate the Software if you modify your computer hardware or alter the Software.

4. LIMITATIONS ON REVERSE ENGINEERING, DECOMPILATION, AND DISASSEMBLY. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

Beast Edition is on my arcade, btw.   I use Rev06 on my guest laptop

[ark_ader]

It doesn't matter where he got TinyXP. He has a licence to use XP on a single machine. If he's still only using a single copy of XP on his single machine (that he HAS a licence to do) then he's not breaking the law.

I dunno...not sure TinyXP would follow the guidelines below

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/eula.mspx

1.2 Mandatory Activation. The license rights granted under this EULA are limited to the first thirty (30) days after you first install the Software unless you supply information required to activate your licensed copy in the manner described during the setup sequence of the Software. You can activate the Software through the use of the Internet or telephone; toll charges may apply. You may also need to reactivate the Software if you modify your computer hardware or alter the Software.

4. LIMITATIONS ON REVERSE ENGINEERING, DECOMPILATION, AND DISASSEMBLY. You may not reverse engineer, decompile, or disassemble the Software, except and only to the extent that such activity is expressly permitted by applicable law notwithstanding this limitation.

13. SOFTWARE TRANSFER. Internal. You may move the Software to a different Workstation Computer. After the transfer, you must completely remove the Software from the former Workstation Computer. Transfer to Third Party. The initial user of the Software may make a one-time permanent transfer of this EULA and Software to another end user, provided the initial user retains no copies of the Software. This transfer must include all of the Software (including all component parts, the media and printed materials, any upgrades, this EULA, and, if applicable, the Certificate of Authenticity). The transfer may not be an indirect transfer, such as a consignment. Prior to the transfer, the end user receiving the Software must agree to all the EULA terms.

Beast Edition is on my arcade, btw.   I use Rev06 on my guest laptop

Ok nice paragraph, and I did read it.

And your point is?

Ok before you go posting back and getting all huffy and puffy....

You are allowed to modify the services of the software but are not allowed to reverse, decompile or basically play about with the kernal.  This is not linux where you can compile another kernal based on your preferences, ie adding a firewall, etc.  The kernal is something you would not want to play with anyway.  XPlite removes the services and components which makes the build smaller, and it doesn't touch SAM.

If this wasn't the case then this company would have its feet burned by coals.
http://www.litepc.com

Something a bit missing from your instructive paragraph from M$.  Tiny XP is via torrent.  Its not illegal to download it, but it is illegal to use it without a license.  BartPE doesn't need a license and can happily autoboot from CD/DVD with a front end and roms.  It takes a bit to get it working, but google it and have a play.

[Organic Jerk]

No huffing or puffing.   I'm a total pirate.


Just playing Devil's Advocate 

 

[ark_ader]

No huffing or puffing.   I'm a total pirate.


Just playing Devil's Advocate