Author Topic: Soft-15KHz - slim new tool for 15KHz on normal vga cards (Read 775136 times)

orchidius · « **Reply #2240 on:** November 28, 2011, 08:47:31 pm »

The scheiss is that the thing is in a laptop, so no easy swapovers there... The laptop setup is absolutely pérfect for my build, were it not that it ain't working... $:-\$

iori01 · « **Reply #2241 on:** December 05, 2011, 10:08:47 am »

Hi Sailorsat,

another question about Nvidia custom résolution restriction.

Do you know if the limit of 32 modelines include the 'normal' modelines 640x480, 800x600, etc ... ?
Or it is, 32 custom + normal modelines ?

Thanks.

rexel · « **Reply #2242 on:** December 05, 2011, 08:44:51 pm »

nevermind.. got it working.. now troubleshooting with other soft15khz issues.. (resolutions etc)

karnov64 · « **Reply #2243 on:** December 07, 2011, 07:01:36 am »

hi i have 2 questions plz:

1. i notice when i install soft15khz i get the option to apply it to Adapter #1 or Adapter #2 of my intel GMA video (i have a 'dual display' laptop). im not really sure if i should apply soft15khz to both adapters, or just one of them (which one, adapter number #1 or #2?)

2. i notice when i try to setup soft15khz, it warns me that my intel GMA video is limited to five resolution definitions. this is ok for me as i only need to use one, but how do i know which one i can use? is there a list somewhere (in registry?) so i can see the 5 modelines i can choose from?

iori01 · « **Reply #2244 on:** December 21, 2011, 03:19:35 am »

Hello,

I just recently bought a GTX 460 for soft15Khz use.
Unfortunately, even with EDID dongle, it is impossible to get resolution with pixel clock lower than 8.00Mhz

I know it is possible to tweak modelines, but it is to share with other that this card seems not so good with Soft15Khz.

Except if sailorssat knows a tips to make it working.

Sailorsat if you read me

karnov64 · « **Reply #2245 on:** December 21, 2011, 07:17:01 am »

Quote from: iori01 on December 21, 2011, 03:19:35 am

Hello, I just recently bought a GTX 460 for soft15Khz use. Unfortunately, even with EDID dongle, it is impossible to get resolution with pixel clock lower than 8.00Mhz I know it is possible to tweak modelines, but it is to share with other that this card seems not so good with Soft15Khz. Except if sailorssat knows a tips to make it working. Sailorsat if you read me

well iorio1, it looks like we arrived too late to the party...

iori01 · « **Reply #2246 on:** December 21, 2011, 08:35:04 am »

Sorry Karnov64,

I was not looking at your post.

For your issue :

1 : apply to both, in that case you are sure that you will have 15Khz !

2 : in that case, you have to use the custom modelines install. Just create the *.txt with the 5 modelines you need and install those one.

Enjoy

SailorSat · « **Reply #2247 on:** December 22, 2011, 10:27:15 am »

Hm... My GTX460 (and a GTX260) worked fine even with the lowest settings. Maybe there are different chip revisions?

You could try the "universal" resolution approach.

That means, take one resolution like 2560x240 and tell mame to stretch to fullscreen.
You won't get any visible stretching artifacts because the resolution is so high.

But you will need to add other big resolutions with different amount of lines (x224, x256 etc.) for other games.

karnov64 · « **Reply #2248 on:** December 22, 2011, 07:36:46 pm »

SAILORSAT sorry to ask here but may i ask a question, you could answer with just one word if you want (yes or no):

will there be anymore cabmame releases? (or perhaps 0.143 is the final one)

and iori01: .. thanks for your help but i have discovered soft15khz is not working for my laptop with intel mobile 965 gfx (very poor basic gfx device

) (also powerstrip does not work, so i gave up

)

SailorSat · « **Reply #2249 on:** December 23, 2011, 01:49:24 am »

Yes there will be a 0.145 release.

iori01 · « **Reply #2250 on:** December 24, 2011, 03:55:22 am »

Thanks sailorsat for reply,

But I found another solution, I just bought a 8800 GTX for cheap as mentioned in your thread, and works amazing,
Every resolution is OK, and no more bug or graphical artefact in Type X game.

Also, I have another request, I was testing your hack of Zsnes 1.51, works amazing except a small artefact under textbox on some game. In the mean time, I found version 1.42 released by dabone with the same kind of hack, works fine without artefact, but it's based on 1.42 version.

I would like to ask you some help to apply hack of dabone (source available) on the 1.51 release, do you think you can help me ?

Many thanks.

C4N3 · « **Reply #2251 on:** January 03, 2012, 09:40:49 am »

Hi SailorSat,
Thanks for your investment in this tool and the hardwork you have put forth supporting it. I have what I hope is a quick question. I have purchased a J-Pac which I am attempting to use with a Konami X-Men (4-player) cabinet with original 25in WG monitor. I am able to get my laptop (which has a cracked screen) to connect to and display successfully on the arcade monitor only after booting into windows and then connecting it as a secondary monitor. However, everytime the laptop is rebooted it will lose the 640x480 resolution and will be at least 800 x 600 which causes the arcade monitor to roll (because I don't think it supports anything higher than 640 x 480). I am using Windows XP SP3 and Hyperspin FE. Do you have any suggestions for how I can force windows XP to boot into 640 x 480 or prevent it from using any resolution higher than that? I'm not worried about damaging the arcade monitor because of the J-Pac, but I would like to get this working. Thanks!

wilch · « **Reply #2252 on:** January 10, 2012, 01:17:56 pm »

Didn't know where to post this, but I use soft-15khz so I'll ask here.

I was wondering if there is a software flicker filter I can use for interlaced games, as I simply don't use this resolution due to the eye-raping flicker. This would be amazing for gamecube & ps2 emulation too.
I could ask the creators of the respective emulators to incorporate a flicker filter, but I can't imagine them catering to such a small minority.

I would also be willing to migrate my emulation activities to linux/ubuntu if anyone knows of a flicker filter for those OSs

thanks for reading!

M3d10n · « **Reply #2253 on:** January 29, 2012, 01:20:07 pm »

I'm having a problem with a GeForce 6600 on the TV-based cab I'm building: it switches to 31KHz for any resolution where the width is smaller than 384. This means only CPS1 and CPS2 games look right: NeoGeo and all other consoles go out of sync on the TV.

I'm on Windows XP 32-bit using Forceware 71.84. The card is PCI-express. Is there anything I could try to get it working? Custom resolutions? BIOS flashing?

SailorSat · « **Reply #2254 on:** January 29, 2012, 01:37:52 pm »

@C4N3:
800x600 should be fine, as it still is 15kHz, but 50Hz vertical (thats where the rolling comes from.)

@wilch:
Use low resolution modes. Not the interlaced ones.

@M3d10n:
Do ALL of the lower res modes behave like that?

M3d10n · « **Reply #2255 on:** January 29, 2012, 01:42:26 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on January 29, 2012, 01:37:52 pm

@M3d10n:
Do ALL of the lower res modes behave like that?

No, the resolution used by CPS and CPS2 games seems to work flawlessly. It fooled me into thinking everything was working, because those were the first I tried. It was only when trying to run NeoGeo games that things broke down.

BTW, I'm using CabMAME 0.141.

Also, seems only the width causes the problem. Resolutions like 512x240 and 640x240 work normally (but they don't solve my problems because CabMame doesn't seem to allow non-uniform scaling).

karnov64 · « **Reply #2256 on:** January 31, 2012, 02:49:41 pm »

sailorsat when u compile cabmame32ui 145 (as promised

) could you PLZ add the frogger/galaxian fix (frogger.diff) as i dont know how to compile myself

(ps. sorry i have to ask cabmame questions here but when i try to join the official cabmame forum (http://community.arcadeinfo.de) it wont seem to allow/confirm/add my new forum user account, so i cannot join)

SailorSat · « **Reply #2257 on:** February 10, 2012, 02:16:01 pm »

Consider it done.
Will upload the binaries later.

karnov64 · « **Reply #2258 on:** February 10, 2012, 08:58:50 pm »

Quote from: SailorSat on February 10, 2012, 02:16:01 pm

Consider it done.
Will upload the binaries later.

thanku so much, i love cabmame

ps. maybe you can tell me what line i add to MAME.INI to enable the frogger.diff hack? (or is is supposed to work automatically by default?)
i am having trouble and am wondering if frogger.diff is working ok? (note. im using directdraw and cabmameui32) .. i can provide my mame.ini or any other files if u like (here is my basic setup below):

81ramirez · « **Reply #2259 on:** February 16, 2012, 01:07:14 pm »

Would an 24c512 eeprom be suitable to use in a Edid dongle?
Thanks.

EDIT:

Or better yet, would a 24lc02b work? Would it need any modification?

Thanks.

EDIT2:

Looking ate this image, I can see that you are using an 24lc02b.

How do I wire it? Using an 24lc22a it would be:

VGA Pins 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 13 and 14 are wired from the male to the female connector.
VGA Pins 5, 9, 11, 12 and 14 are wired to the 24LC22A.

or??

VGA 14 (VSync) -> IC 7 (VCLK)
VGA 15 (SCL) -> IC 6 (SCL)
VGA 12 (SDA) -> IC 5 (SDA)
VGA 09 (+5V) -> IC 8 (Vcc)
VGA 05 (GND) -> IC 4 (Vss)

I don't know which one is right and anyway, the 24lc02b have a WT instead of VCLK... what do I have to change?

Thanks.

SailorSat · « **Reply #2260 on:** February 23, 2012, 05:20:20 pm »

You don't have to change anything.
Although not needed, VSYNC still goes to same pin. It will toggle Write Protection of the chip.

81ramirez · « **Reply #2261 on:** February 23, 2012, 10:03:34 pm »

Thanks SailorSat.

retronerd · « **Reply #2262 on:** March 04, 2012, 03:55:48 pm »

What is the best driver for Ati Radeon HD 4350 to run with soft 15khz?

Haggar · « **Reply #2263 on:** March 05, 2012, 06:45:55 pm »

Hi.
I have upgraded mt x800xl with a Radeon HD 4650.
I've installed catalyst 9.3, installed soft-15KHz, rebooted. All is ok
I've noticed that between custom resolutions now I have many "native resolutions" (31KHz) and I don't know how to remove them (I cant find them in winmodelines).

This is the 4650 I'm using now: http://www.hisdigital.com/UserFiles/product/SK3-12B_A_1600.jpg
I use a DVI 2 VGA adapter.

Thanks

SailorSat · « **Reply #2264 on:** March 05, 2012, 07:07:35 pm »

Use the other output...

Haggar · « **Reply #2265 on:** March 05, 2012, 07:10:06 pm »

Thanks for the answer. I've solved the detection problem (and edited the message while you were answering me).

Now I have this issue:

I've noticed that between custom resolutions now I have some "native resolutions" (31KHz) and I don't know how to remove them (I cant find them in winmodelines).

Thanks

Edit: Solved uninstalling and reinstalling all ati software.

ac3 · « **Reply #2266 on:** March 11, 2012, 09:08:49 am »

I plan on using soft15khz for the first time on a windows xp pc, I have either a Geforce 7300GS or a Radeon X300 pci graphics card. Does anyone know if either of these cards are fully compatible? and if so drivers are recommended?. Any help is very much appreciated.

Paradroid · « **Reply #2267 on:** March 12, 2012, 06:10:26 am »

I'd go with the X300. I have 2 and they work perfectly with lo res modes.

comatsu · « **Reply #2268 on:** March 12, 2012, 05:43:38 pm »

I have an old nx9010 HP/Compaq laptop running MAME which I intend to hook up to my cabinet through a jpac.
Do I understand correctly that by using soft15Khz I am doing away with the need to purchase a vga to cga converter?

Anyone know if this program will work with my laptop? (from what I can find online the graphics card is a AGP 4x - ATI Radeon IGP345M

SailorSat · « **Reply #2269 on:** March 12, 2012, 06:37:20 pm »

Should work, since its radeon based and "not too new"

ac3 · « **Reply #2270 on:** March 12, 2012, 08:41:06 pm »

Thanks Paradroid.

comatsu · « **Reply #2271 on:** March 13, 2012, 10:02:37 am »

Thanks StarSailor.

Anyone can help me write a correct custom resolution for a Hantarex Polo 25?
When I install 15Khz modes in soft15Khz I only get the 720*480 resolution in windows, so I assume I will need to install it as a user resolution.

(I will be connecting the Polo to my additional vga port on my laptop through a jpac)

ved · « **Reply #2272 on:** March 15, 2012, 01:15:27 pm »

Hello SailorSat, and thanx for your work on this incredible Soft15khz.

As many people in this forum, i have a question : my ATI hd4670 work on win7 with soft15khz (Catalyst 12.2, monitor @25hz on 1024x768 and 1280x720) but... screen refresh rate is at 30hz instead of 60hz (interlaced)!!! and with 15hz resolutions it's the same problem on win7.
It seems that is windows7 problem ? have you informations or issue ?

Ps : all work very well on xp (1024x768 @60hz interlaced...)

Thanx for your answer

SailorSat · « **Reply #2273 on:** March 15, 2012, 01:44:06 pm »

Quote from: comatsu on March 13, 2012, 10:02:37 am

Thanks StarSailor.

Anyone can help me write a correct custom resolution for a Hantarex Polo 25?
When I install 15Khz modes in soft15Khz I only get the 720*480 resolution in windows, so I assume I will need to install it as a user resolution.

(I will be connecting the Polo to my additional vga port on my laptop through a jpac)

Most likely you will not see the additional modes as long as your internal screen is enabled.
Try using the Polo as seconds screen.

tman78 · « **Reply #2274 on:** March 19, 2012, 10:33:15 pm »

I'm very late to this party, so please forgive me if I should post elsewhere.

I'm building my cabinet and have been putting off/researching monitor choices. I'd like to do an LCD as they are lightweight, relatively cheap for the size, plentiful, versatile, etc.

I have some questions about soft15khz that I've tried to verify but am not sure about.

If I went with a TV, does it only work with SCART/multiport, or can you use an American TV with a VGA connection?
Can you not use any LCD of any kind, because those only use one constant resolution (much higher than 15k).
If I can use an older LCD TV, I was thinking of a VIZIO, but some have said skip the downgrading of the resolution, just connect to computer via DVI and use MAME options like scanlines to make the games look "authentic".
SailorSat, I've heard LCD displays do well especially if you use your TRIAD-3 and TRIAD-6 settings referenced back in http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=66402.720, but none of those images are available anymore, on this site or from http://files.magnanimous-majesty.de/nachtstern/images/misc/videofilter/triad6.png

Is there a way for you to make those Triad images available again, or are they not needed?

Thanks a lot, and if I'm off base on anything please let me know.
-Taylor

SailorSat · « **Reply #2275 on:** March 20, 2012, 03:02:02 am »

TV with SCART = fine
TV with VGA = no need for Soft-15kHz; however you could use a set of 31khz lowres look-a-like resolutions
LCD TV = yup, use DVI/VGA whatever connection and native resolution. tune the rest in software.

As for the filters: here

Neo-Geo - 4 times enlarged, bilinear filter, triad6 "effect".

tman78 · « **Reply #2276 on:** March 20, 2012, 09:31:59 am »

Thank you. None of the png files from images.arianchen.de display, all are blank. Is that correct simply because they are filters?
Where in MAME do you place these filters?

Thanks again.

SailorSat · « **Reply #2277 on:** March 20, 2012, 11:31:13 am »

IIRC you must place them in the "artwork" folder and set them in mame.ini.
The option is called "effect".

ved · « **Reply #2278 on:** March 22, 2012, 08:37:29 am »

Hello SailorSat,

Have you an idea about windows 7 running soft15khz resolutions at only 30hz

?

You are my only hope

------------------------------------Original message -------------------------------
Hello SailorSat, and thanx for your work on this incredible Soft15khz.

As many people in this forum, i have a question : my ATI hd4670 work on win7 with soft15khz (Catalyst 12.2, monitor @25hz on 1024x768 and 1280x720) but... screen refresh rate is at 30hz instead of 60hz (interlaced)!!! and with 15hz resolutions it's the same problem on win7.
It seems that is windows7 problem ? have you informations or issue ?

Ps : all work very well on xp (1024x768 @60hz interlaced...)

Thanx for your answer
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

SailorSat · « **Reply #2279 on:** March 22, 2012, 10:41:59 am »

I don't have a clue. I suspect either Windows or the Driver figures "oh interlace, lets halve the values then!"


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