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Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« on: April 07, 2003, 04:11:49 pm »
First, let me start off by introducing myself.  My name is Bill and I run a hardware hacking website http://www.i-hacked.com.  I basically have a new project every month or so (I like to keep myself busy) and I post it on my site.  I recently became aware of MAME cabinets on Anandtech forums.  I was shocked.  I had heard of emulators before, but never had I seen something as cool as that.  I decided that I must have one. Hell, I would save so much $$ on drunk galaga and shoving bills into Golden Tee machines if you know what I mean.

I started by reading every page I could come across, I have read this main page I don't know how many times.  I have looked at as many examples as I could, until I got a picture in my head on what I wanted my machine to look like.

I called every place in KC (where I am located) and I only found one place that would take the time to sell me an old cabinet, and I came home with a DigDug machine that reminded me of my childhood.  Just looking at the darn thing made me smile.  ;D (cheezy part is almost over, I promise)  Before anyone yells and screams at me for destroying a DigDug, please note:  This is what I wanted, I wanted a DigDug machine and nothing else.  When I was growing up we would visit my grandmother every month or so, and we would always stop half ways (it was a 4hr drive) at a Ice Cream shop in Fredonia, KS and I would get Ice cream and get to play DigDug. Now I know that I shouldn't destroy it, please respect my choice and don't tell me that, as I have already been flamed enough. (see arcadeathome) hehe.

Now, I have been making a journal on my progress and it is updated almost everyday, you can read my journal and see pics here.  And I have learned so much in so few days, hopefully this will help someone else make theirs.  Now if ONLY I knew that arcadecontrols had such a wonderful forum, I would probably be a lot farther, I have spent all day reading through it, man there is a lot of information here, and I appreciate the time that all of you have put in to sharing it with me (or us I guess).

Also, my project would be moving a lot faster if Happcontrols would send me my stinking joysticks, they have shipped everything else, but not those.  I called them and they said they were missing pieces and it would be about 2 more weeks.. ARRGH  >:( >:( >:( I don't think I can wait that long!


Are you still reading?  ;D I still have a few questions (and I am sure I will answer them myself as I continue reading, but if anyone can provide some pointers that would be great):

1) Can I use a standard PC Trackball for my Control Panel Trackball? (for Golden tee type games)?
2) What is the best bang for the buck material to use for CP overlay (plexi, etc) What about for the Monitor glass?

(Space left black for more questions later)

Again, I really appreciate this forum, I look forward to learning a lot more.  Oh I am a terrible speller, so no need to point out spelling mistakes, I know I suck.
« Last Edit: April 07, 2003, 04:22:02 pm by hevnsnt »

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2003, 04:19:04 pm »
1) depends on how "real arcade" feel you want...

yes... you can use a pc trackball on control panel...
I use a Crayola Ball... a 3" trackball.... and I think 1up
uses the same.... (in case you donno... www.1uparcade.com .... in my personal opinion... the coolest cab ever....)

but if you want REAL REAL trackball feel.... I guess nothing beats the real thing....

2) for control panel... I think you should use lexan... cos you can drill holes and cut it just like wood....
 but for covering monitor... I think plexi should be good.... (cheaper... )

also... I've read in some other thread... smoked plexi over monitor will give you very good results....

good luck to your cab...
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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2003, 04:23:28 pm »
lol.. Yeah I showed that 1uparcade to my construction friend and he laughed and told me that I was not paying him enough.  (beer that is)

but man oh man that would be a sweet rig.

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« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2003, 04:26:39 pm »
Looks good.  You always get a mixed reaction about MAME'ing a classic cabinet (there was a long thread not to long ago about it not to long ago, maybe someone can put a link to (I forgot the damn cab he was thinking about so I can't find it)).

The way I look at it is that the cab was running out of time, and would probably have been destroyed soon.  Plus, you can always convert it back at some time.  

Anyway, to answer your questions:

1.  Yes you can.  My original control panel had plans for a Crayola Kids Trackball.  This was a 3" trackball (just like golden tee) that interfaced to the serial port.  I abandoned it primarily since it would not work in Golden Tee PC or Tiger Woods 2002 (its a known issue, others have had problems).

You can even use the smaller 1.5". or 2.25" trackballs on the market but at the end of the day I don't think you will be happy with it.  You lose the arcade feel with these devices, and they can have some backspin problems when you really start working them (i.e. the optics read in reverse).  I know price is an issue but you can get a remanufactured 3" from imperial for $29.99 and the optipac for $45.  Even with the mounting plate and hardware you are looking at about $100.  Worth EVERY penny in my book but it is a personal prference.

2.  Plexiglass is the way to go.  Get the thicker plexiglass (3/8"?  I forget exactly).  It will be much stronger when you cut the holes and when you play the games.  It just makes it feel more rugged to me (I changed from the thin to the thick on my second panel).  For the Monitor glass and bezel, I think that tinted (or smoked) plexy is the way to go (if you can find it).  It resembles the old monitor glass, makes the picture look better, and hides any visible part of the cpu monitor.

Good Luck!

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2003, 04:46:10 pm »
Well man, you should be fine with plexi. Do a search on these forums and you should find some VERY usfull plexi info.

I noticed you removed the Marquee/Bezel; are these For sale? I would be interested in buying them (mostly the Marquee).

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2003, 04:49:01 pm »
the Marquee is up in the air if it is for sale or not.  It is in perfect condition, and half of me wants to keep it in there, and the other half wants a MAME marquee..  If I decide to sell it I will keep you in mind.

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2003, 07:33:15 pm »

I called every place in KC (where I am located) and I only found one place that would take the time to sell me an old cabinet,

Hey hevsnt welcome to the addiction! I realize you already have a cab but have you heard of this auction?:

http://www.superauctions.com/dates.html

There is an auction on the 10th of May that I'm going to. It's about a 3.5hr drive for me but it looks like fun. I just need to get a trailer hitch for my montero!
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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2003, 08:10:31 pm »
awesome!! thanks for the info.. Right before I head out to Las Vegas

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2003, 08:25:13 pm »
I know you said not to flame you - and god knows I'm trying - but jeez dude, you're MAMEing a Dig-Dug??!?  AAAAHHHHHHH!!

I know that you said that you always wanted a Dig-Dug because you played it while eating ice cream on your way to visit your grandmother or whatever, but wouldn't building a semi-replica Dig-Dug cabinet from scratch be better for a MAME cabinet?  Not only would you NOT thrash a classic cabinet, but you'd be able to make slight modifications to it easier.

I won't jump on your back any more after this post (at least I'll try not to ;)) but this really does make baby Jesus weep.  Poor Dig-Dug...


(Edit: At the very least, please try to make sure that any of the changes that you're making are reversible.)
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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2003, 09:29:46 pm »
haha thats ok.. Just do me a favor, and don't check out my site.  ;D

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« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2003, 10:29:13 pm »
haha thats ok.. Just do me a favor, and don't check out my site.  ;D
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(whew.. feels much better getting that out of my system.)


« Last Edit: April 07, 2003, 10:37:16 pm by Xphile »
Pull a year and a half strike- it's over 4eva..
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« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2003, 10:53:16 pm »
damn.. thanks Unfortunately (for you) all of the arcade components are out, and I have been working in computers for quite awhile.. and there is little chance of that happening.. but thanks for the adult conversation.
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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2003, 11:01:47 pm »
I WON'T flame you for this even though I dissagree. We all make mistakes; what's done is done; we shouldn't at all hold this against him; it was his cab and his choice! (deep down it angers me too, but I am demonstrating as much self control as possible)
     Do me and us all the favor of KEEPING ALL of the DigDug art on there. I think that would be cool; it could be like Dig Dug MAME or something. So I wouldn't mess up the sideart and stuff; it looks good to me. If you wanted it because it was Dig Dug, then you should leave it as Dig Dug.

PS: Maybe a custom Marquee replacing the existing one (I am not saying this because I am after your marquee (which I am), I think it would be cool, like Pac-mamea; go for it

Good luck whatever you do; it's totally your choice, don't feel pressure.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2003, 11:32:56 pm »
damn.. thanks Unfortunately (for you) all of the arcade components are out, and I have been working in computers for quite awhile.. and there is little chance of that happening.. but thanks for the adult conversation.

hey, ferget-about-it... Adult conversation can be a specialty of mine...(Just not in this case)

besides, If I see something that pisses me off greatly enough, I'm not gonna pull any punches about it..

the way I see it, your entire purpose here is basically butcher the cab, and get everything done and up on your site before you lose your viewer's interest.. the journey means nothing to you, the end result is what will bring your viewers back for more page views and more ad revenue..
That's just sad, cause usually the journey is the best part, the part that makes the end result worth it.

I gather you're gonna be running a few reruns in the "constructing a MAME Machine" timeslot if you can't get your 3 supers ..

oh well, Enjoy your cab, at least until you decide to build a jet powered cpu/beer cooler.




Pull a year and a half strike- it's over 4eva..
besides, WHL rocks!

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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2003, 11:43:59 pm »
oh well, Enjoy your cab, at least until you decide to build a jet powered cpu/beer cooler.
ZESTY!!!

Ah, let it go, Xphile.  This Dig-Dug cab is toast.  Let's try to keep this civil.

Although hevnsnt, I would again urge you to please at least keep the side art intact.

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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2003, 11:46:10 pm »
Oh, and...

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« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2003, 12:01:32 am »
One thing I can promise you, is side art staying on!  And this was a well executed "flame" I do appreciate and respect your decision to disagree with what I did.. But as you said, what is done is done.  ;)

I WON'T flame you for this even though I dissagree. We all make mistakes; what's done is done; we shouldn't at all hold this against him; it was his cab and his choice! (deep down it angers me too, but I am demonstrating as much self control as possible)
     Do me and us all the favor of KEEPING ALL of the DigDug art on there. I think that would be cool; it could be like Dig Dug MAME or something. So I wouldn't mess up the sideart and stuff; it looks good to me. If you wanted it because it was Dig Dug, then you should leave it as Dig Dug.

PS: Maybe a custom Marquee replacing the existing one (I am not saying this because I am after your marquee (which I am), I think it would be cool, like Pac-mamea; go for it

Good luck whatever you do; it's totally your choice, don't feel pressure.

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« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2003, 12:14:35 am »
Well you obviously don't know me at all.  This flame actually stung the most, because I don't want anyone thinking this. (Plus now my jet-engine beer cooler wont be a first concept release) This has nothing to do with my website.  And I mean nothing.  My projects that I take on are to allow me to learn new things.  The website is there to share my learnings in hope someone else can learn, or share new things with me.  I am a late 20 something, and I enjoy and live my website slogan word for word "Taking Advantage of technology" Just by me taking on this project, I have learned: (and this is a so far example)
1. What 80's hackers were able to put together. (I studied the schematics and the board for several hours) This is number one for a reason.
2. What the hell a leaf switch was. I had never seen that before.
3. How the coin changer worked. (wasn't this everyone's dream growing up.. Now I own the keys.. Take that Aladdins Castle!)
4. How to discharge a monitor without frying myself.
5. That I probably should have bought the DigDug and put $25 in it and sold it for $400 (because apparently that is the only reason any more)
6. I also learned the love that people have for the older arcades. (Read: I have been flamed so so much lately) :)
7.  That HappControls never screws anyone but me. Been waiting 2 weeks for Joysticks, called today, at least 2 more weeks to go.

There are plenty more, but please understand that I am not doing this for "hits"
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damn.. thanks Unfortunately (for you) all of the arcade components are out, and I have been working in computers for quite awhile.. and there is little chance of that happening.. but thanks for the adult conversation.

hey, ferget-about-it... Adult conversation can be a specialty of mine...(Just not in this case)

besides, If I see something that pisses me off greatly enough, I'm not gonna pull any punches about it..

the way I see it, your entire purpose here is basically butcher the cab, and get everything done and up on your site before you lose your viewer's interest.. the journey means nothing to you, the end result is what will bring your viewers back for more page views and more ad revenue..
That's just sad, cause usually the journey is the best part, the part that makes the end result worth it.

I gather you're gonna be running a few reruns in the "constructing a MAME Machine" timeslot if you can't get your 3 supers ..

oh well, Enjoy your cab, at least until you decide to build a jet powered cpu/beer cooler.





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« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2003, 12:24:54 am »
Well I for one never thought that at all, and I'll bet most of the others didn't either. Don't let that crap bother you. I think it's a great idea. If thats what that moron wants to think, so what, ignore it. It's your cab, do what you want with it and be happy. I realize everyone has the right to their own opinion, but jeeze how immature was that.
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2003, 01:01:21 am »
1st, about the vertical monitor.  You have those three screens.  Those screens look like normal digdug bootup.
What exactly makes you think something is wrong?


2nd, YOU CUT IT!.  So is that 2 joy 6 button layout the final CP?  How did that require cutting of the cabinet?


People, don't flame him.  Yeah, it sucks, but unfortunately it is past now, can't stop him.  Other than being a butchered classic it does look good.
My only question to keep the cabinet somewhat alive is why sell the marquee.  It goes with the cabinet, it is part of what makes the cabinet look good.  Even if you make a mame digdug, make it look like digdug.  KEEP the original marquee, create a frame for it and hang it up somewhere!
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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2003, 01:48:48 am »
<snip>KEEP the original marquee, create a frame for it and hang it up somewhere!

Yeah, I've seen some really well done lightboxes for marquees... if you do want a mame marquee, build a cool lightbox for your header and add to that arcade atmosphere in that part of your gameroom..


OMG, yup SirPoonga, you're right - just fired up mame, and the 3 screen shots he posted on his site are perfect DigDug boot screens..guess the only $25 he would've had to spend to earn that $400 would've been listing and final value fees..

not sure why he ripped the anode out of a perfectly good arcade monitor either..


Aside to 'dolphinstroker', I never called him any names- let alone a 'moron' .. so why would you lower yourself?

Name calling and hopes of flesh being seared from bone are two totally different things..

let's try and keep it civil, shall we? ;)
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2003, 02:17:02 am »
OMG, yup SirPoonga, you're right - just fired up mame, and the 3 screen shots he posted on his site are perfect DigDug boot screens..guess the only $25 he would've had to spend to earn that $400 would've been listing and final value fees..

not sure why he ripped the anode out of a perfectly good arcade monitor either..

Yeah, I'm guessing it was a good monitor.  Maybe the pcb was bad in that it kept rebooting because on his site he says it keeps looping through those screens.  Hey, if you still have the original PCB and volcano buttons, PM me, maybe we will make out a deal.  I have some extra arcade parts to trade.

Edit:  So is the monitor non-repairable now?
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2003, 05:58:39 am »
I just stumbled on this thread.....

Holy $%#^'n god.

I can't say a damn thing, if you know me you'll know why.
I offer this instead:

Who are The Mutilators? What is a Mutilator? How can you identify them? Are you one? Am I one?

As each day passes, arcade cabinets are rotting in fields and warehouses. Machines break and are thrown into dumpsters. We've all seen pictures on the Internet, haven't we? Hell, I've even endured a hornet's sting scavenging for parts while climbing over 30-40 muddy, abandoned cabinets in a barn. Classic cabinets are not renewable resources. They can not be replaced. But there is hope.

The Video Arcade Preservation Society (www.vaps.org) is a group of collectors who rescue these cabinets and restore them to their original glory. (I am not a member. I'll need more money and more rooms in my house if I ever aspire to be a "collector".) Just as MAME seeks to document the history of game code, VAPS is attempting to preserve the last physical manifestation of these machines.

But now, well-intentioned retrogamers are coming along who want to build their own MAME machine. (Myself included.) He/she seeks out cabinets, essentially competing for the same equipment that preservationists pursue. But there are differences.

The Mutilator will rip working PCB's out of the cabinet.

The Mutilator will reconfigure the control panel.

The Mutilator will throw away an original monitor bezel.

The Mutilator thinks little of damaging a marquee trying to remove it.

The Mutilator will slice off the control panel overlay.

The Mutilator will forever hide the original artwork with a can of spray paint.

I beg those of you who want to build your own MAME machine to do what I did. PLEASE find a machine that no longer works. PLEASE find a machine that was a mediocre conversion with no original artwork. PLEASE find a cabinet that is in poor shape. If you must use a good cabinet, carefully remove the items listed above. There are dozens of collectors that will buy them from you on rec.games.video.arcade.collecting. And you can always find a sucker who will overpay for them on ebay (or Dave's boards, if they even know what a PCB is).

Sure, it takes a little more time to use a less-than-desirable cabinet. And it might take $25-50 more to complete your project. But consider the consequences. Leave the unpolished gems to the pros. I know my place in the universe. I can only hope everyone else does."

So there you have it.  Please be mindful of this as you look for a cabinet, and don't become a mutilator.  With a little patience and ingenuity, anyone can put some wood together and create a thing of beauty...  None of us can undo destruction of arcade history.
Thank you.

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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2003, 08:59:55 am »
The Mutilator will rip working PCB's out of the cabinet.
-I removed it, but did not rip it out.

The Mutilator will reconfigure the control panel.
Original Control panel is still in one piece.

The Mutilator will throw away an original monitor bezel.
-It was ripped to begin with.

The Mutilator thinks little of damaging a marquee trying to remove it.
-Marquee was removed with care, and stored inside right now.

The Mutilator will slice off the control panel overlay.
-Control Panel is still in one piece.

The Mutilator will forever hide the original artwork with a can of spray paint.
-That is just sick.

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2003, 12:28:59 pm »
The Mutilator will rip working PCB's out of the cabinet.
-I removed it, but did not rip it out.

The Mutilator will reconfigure the control panel.
Original Control panel is still in one piece.

The Mutilator will throw away an original monitor bezel.
-It was ripped to begin with.

The Mutilator thinks little of damaging a marquee trying to remove it.
-Marquee was removed with care, and stored inside right now.

The Mutilator will slice off the control panel overlay.
-Control Panel is still in one piece.

The Mutilator will forever hide the original artwork with a can of spray paint.
-That is just sick.


I can't believe the original author didn't mention CHOPPING THE FRONT RIGHT OFF A CABINET.

Maybe that was too hideous to imagine even for him.

Oh, I also can't believe you don't recognise yourself as a mutilator after you've taken a SAW to a classic cabinet.
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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2003, 12:39:03 pm »
actually I did.  But thanks for pointing that out.


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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2003, 01:06:43 pm »
I realize you don't want flamed but i just can't help myself.  

Why in God's name did you have to chop up a perfectly good classic cabinet?  WHY!?

There are other people on this board who have MAMEd classic cabs, but at least they had the decency to preserve the cabinet and make their changes reversible.  You took a perfectly good Dig-Dug and chopped up both the sides!

Sorry, but i don't think you're going to get a very warm reception around here.

 :'(  :'(

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2003, 01:41:28 pm »
listen, I am sorry if you dont like it, and I have repeated myself a thousand times. I respect the fact that you don't approve.  But the point must be made, it is was a DigDug machine, Which I wanted, and I am doing what I feel necessary to make My machine the way I want it.  I did not buy it to restore and sell it.  It is about me working on a project that means a lot to me.  The fact that it was a DigDug makes it mean even that much more to me. I will keep this thing until my future kids destroy it. ;) The guy that I bought it from has had it for years, no one even cared about it.  Can't it be enough that it is making me happy now?  I have seen several pictures of hundreds of cabinets in trash dumps, without any love at all.  Do you realize that I spent about 3 1/2 hours just cleaning this thing?  That is the most love it had seen in years.  It is my first time doing anything this, and if I had it to do again, maybe I would build a cab from scratch, or maybe out of a crappy game, but I seriously doubt that I would smile every time I pulled in the garage and saw it there, standing in its glory as a past DigDug machine, now on steroids.

Listen, I get your point.  But somewhere someone must respect the fact that I am doing what I want, with an item that I bought.  I must take a hard line and say that I owe you nothing, I did not take this machine from your garage and rip it apart in mine.  I also respect the fact that you owe me nothing, and everything I have learned so far is out of the kindness of many to share their knowledge.

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« Reply #28 on: April 08, 2003, 02:19:57 pm »


Listen, I get your point.  But somewhere someone must respect the fact that I am doing what I want, with an item that I bought.  I must take a hard line and say that I owe you nothing, I did not take this machine from your garage and rip it apart in mine.  I also respect the fact that you owe me nothing, and everything I have learned so far is out of the kindness of many to share their knowledge.

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« Reply #29 on: April 08, 2003, 03:24:44 pm »
listen, I am sorry if you dont like it, and I have repeated myself a thousand times. I respect the fact that you don't approve.  But the point must be made, it is was a DigDug machine, Which I wanted, and I am doing what I feel necessary to make My machine the way I want it.

So, if i buy the Mona Lisa and then use it for kindling is that okay too?  I mean, i OWN it.  It's MINE, so why not, right?

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 I did not buy it to restore and sell it.  It is about me working on a project that means a lot to me.  The fact that it was a DigDug makes it mean even that much more to me. I will keep this thing until my future kids destroy it. ;) The guy that I bought it from has had it for years, no one even cared about it.  Can't it be enough that it is making me happy now?

Wouldn't you have been just as happy with a different cabinet?  Wouldn't you have been just as happy without having to chop it up into pieces?  You could have fit a control panel in there without ruining the entire cabinet.  Several people here have MAMEd classic cabinets.  The difference is that they didn't completely ruin them in the process.  You did.  

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I have seen several pictures of hundreds of cabinets in trash dumps, without any love at all.  

I've seen loads of cars in the junkyard too.  That doesn't necessarily mean i should take a vintage Model T and chop it up to make myself happy when i could get the same result just as easily without ruining a valuable and somewhat rare item.

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Do you realize that I spent about 3 1/2 hours just cleaning this thing?  That is the most love it had seen in years.  It is my first time doing anything this, and if I had it to do again, maybe I would build a cab from scratch, or maybe out of a crappy game, but I seriously doubt that I would smile every time I pulled in the garage and saw it there, standing in its glory as a past DigDug machine, now on steroids.

3 1/2 whole hours!?  Well, gosh.  I didn't realize.  All is forgiven then.

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Listen, I get your point.  But somewhere someone must respect the fact that I am doing what I want, with an item that I bought.  

Someone, somewhere.  Just not me (and not several of the other people here either).  I'm sure that many people would side with you on this.  Some of us just don't happen to be those kind of people.  To each his own, but i have just as much right to say "you're a heathen" as you have to say "it's mine, i can do what i want".  Did you REALLY expect to post on a board full of classic arcade enthusiasts that you had ruined a perfectly good arcade cab and get no backlash?

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I must take a hard line and say that I owe you nothing, I did not take this machine from your garage and rip it apart in mine.  I also respect the fact that you owe me nothing, and everything I have learned so far is out of the kindness of many to share their knowledge.

Nope, you don't owe me (or anyone here) a thing.  I'm glad that you enjoy this hobby as the rest of us do.  I'm glad that your cabinet makes you happy.  I'm just saddened at the fact that you had to ruin a classic game in the process.  Nobody here can convince you that you're wrong any more than you can convince us that you're right.  Your opinion is worth every bit as much as anyone elses.

Have fun with your new toy.

EDIT: I *would* like to thank you for being civil in your posts, despite the amount of flames you've gotten.  At least we can all be adults here, even though we disagree.
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« Reply #30 on: April 08, 2003, 04:08:42 pm »
Of course you can do whatever you want with whatever material thing that you own.  But,  posting here about the hack you did to that cabinet is like posting on Chevy enthusiasts forum that you just crammed a 454 Ford intercepeter engine into your 1968 Camero.

Some forums are better than others for the work that you do that's all. Especially since you said "before anyone flames me for destroying an original Dig Dug" you knew what you were in for on this forum.
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« Reply #31 on: April 08, 2003, 04:16:01 pm »
Let's not get our drawers in a bunch here...

He's been more than thoroughly chastised for his transgression against the order of classic gaming geeks.

Let it go.  really... go get some fresh air or something.

on the off chance that hevnsnt is going to be a productive member of the BYOAC community/thread let's not bash him so bad that the A@H board looks friendly and interesting... =P

Hevnsnt: you may just want to LOCK this thread (as the originator of the thread you have that power) and consider yourself sufficiently introduced =P... and then post any questions/ideas/discussion points in another thread if applicable.

Everyone else, maybe a "classics preservation vs It's just particle board " thread in the everthing else forum? whos'e with me!

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« Reply #32 on: April 08, 2003, 04:41:56 pm »
I don't think little of you for this hevnsnt; at all. Maybe lie? Get some pictures of a beat to hell DigDug cab and put them up there? Change your name maybe? Some jerks won't EVER let you live this down.

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« Reply #33 on: April 08, 2003, 04:49:40 pm »
hehe.. oh well..

I still love this forum, and all the members that sum it up.  If we all had the same opinions, this would be a boring place.

Please just do me a favor and keep checking my site.  I want you to see that this is not just a traffic generator, and that I fully intend to do some great things with my machine.  As previously mentioned I am at a kind of stale-mate, because I am waiting on joysticks.  But because of a few very helpful people from this board, I will have these items fairly shortly.  To those of you, I can't thank you enough.  I have several ideas that I do not believe have been done before, and who knows, maybe I might be able to show someone around here something new. Btw, there is a reason I HAD to take a saw to it.  More on that later.  ;);D
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« Reply #34 on: April 08, 2003, 04:50:04 pm »
People here creep me out more and more.  I mean seriously, if the cabinet isn't like mint condition or anything, why even care?  Ok, lets see what he'd get if he kept it a dig dug cabinet:  A: it would get played some, then none cause we all get sick of games, B: it would probably just get old in his basement now, C: he'd probably sell it to someone who'd do the same 5 years later.
Now lets look at what happens when he turns it into a Mame cabinet: he gets thousands of games to keep him occupied on a single cabinet.  Literally hundreds more hours of entertainment.  My guess is if he's like anyone else here, he'll continue to upgrade his cabinet as well, and maybe even build another one if he gets the real bug, especially since a Dig Dug cabinet is so small.
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« Reply #35 on: April 08, 2003, 06:43:58 pm »
hevnsnt,

I certainly don't want you to get the impression that you're not welcome here at BYOAC, so sorry if I kick-started the whole "OMG YOU DESTROYED A DIG-DUG!" brigade.  My original opinion still stands, but it is your property to do with as you please.  

I guess I'm just asking that you recognize our opinions as being equally valid.  While this is a website dedicated to building your own arcade controls, we take the preservation of classic cabinets just as seriously.  And while a lot of us are getting our panties in a twist, at least try to understand why that is.  After all, if multiple people on different websites are aghast at you cutting up a classic cabinet, that should tell you something.

But again, I don't mean to be a part of a lynch mob here.  Please don't feel unwelcome, at least not on my account.

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« Reply #36 on: April 08, 2003, 08:31:25 pm »
Sasquatch!: thanks I am petty think skinned, and listen, I totally expected, it and I wanted to get it out of the way now, and not put it off until later.  I do feel welcomed, and your post is very appreciated.. (as well as several others)

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« Reply #37 on: April 08, 2003, 08:52:23 pm »
People here creep me out more and more.  I mean seriously, if the cabinet isn't like mint condition or anything, why even care?  Ok, lets see what he'd get if he kept it a dig dug cabinet:  A: it would get played some, then none cause we all get sick of games, B: it would probably just get old in his basement now, C: he'd probably sell it to someone who'd do the same 5 years later.
Now lets look at what happens when he turns it into a Mame cabinet: he gets thousands of games to keep him occupied on a single cabinet.  Literally hundreds more hours of entertainment.  My guess is if he's like anyone else here, he'll continue to upgrade his cabinet as well, and maybe even build another one if he gets the real bug, especially since a Dig Dug cabinet is so small.
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it's been done.
http://www.ilovearcades.com/myprojects/digdug.htm

plus, if he'd asked here for advice first, stateing he was thinking of cutting the wings to accommodate a bigger panel, we probably would have been able to come up with alternatives..

for example, he could've left the fingers sticking out as added support for his larger panel..it could've wrapped around or extended past both sides or whatever, and would've been easier to mount.

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« Reply #38 on: April 08, 2003, 10:07:15 pm »
I say do with it what you will. If you are all worried about restoring classics, then buy all you can find and restore them. I think it is even better to have a classic cab you loved to play as your MAME cab. Even if it is altered. I would keep the side are and marquee myself but if the shape is enough for you, then I say paint it as well! If people really want a certain classic cab, then they should have found this one before hevnsnt so they could have restored it to their liking. It's not like there was only one left but even if that were the case, at least it went to someone who will enjoy it. The people I would be mad at are the ones who throw them out. I remember reading about someone who saw a really good tempest outside in the rain when it was too late. That would have been a perfectly good cab to hack for MAME. Get mad at them! Just my 2 cents.

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« Reply #39 on: April 08, 2003, 11:06:52 pm »
Sasquatch!: thanks I am petty think skinned, and listen, I totally expected, it and I wanted to get it out of the way now, and not put it off until later.  I do feel welcomed, and your post is very appreciated.. (as well as several others)
Now that you've said that, I'm gonna really put you on the spot and say that if your user name is from the Dokken song "Heaven Sent", I'm gonna have to rethink everything that I said.

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« Reply #40 on: April 08, 2003, 11:12:56 pm »
hehe no.. My lame nick name comes from a super long time ago.. Back when I was 14.  I will not go into the specifics, but I can guarentee that it is nothing what you think.. I have always wanted to change it because it is such a super lame story, but it is nice because it is always available on every website I have ever been to..  So that makes it stick. :D

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« Reply #41 on: April 09, 2003, 12:43:40 pm »
Lemme express what I think about all this!
It's your cab, do with it what you want :) I see no reason to flame anyone for doing what they feel is right, even not with a classic cab!!! Must admt though, that if you loved DigDug, you might want to keep the sidearts (like so many before me said), but you can easily make a custom CP and Marquee that fits into the DigDug style.

There might be allot of people here who are against modding a classic cab, but honestly, if you didn't take it to yer home and gave it a caring hand, it might would rot somewhere and be thrown out.

I too got a bit pressure when I mentioned that I would love to make my custom sidearts for my KI2 cab, but I think it was a good smack in the face for me to see that it would be even nicer if I kept the original sideart, and only change the marquee and the cp... that also helped me find a name for it (everything still under developement), but I guess I'll call it M.A.M.E.-Instinct :) Still need to do some arts for it and such, but in buttomline, if I choose only to make a custom cp and marquee that fits the Killer Instinct style it will 1) look very cool and 2) be easy to switch back to the original. I even still have the original game in it, and will never pull it out of there :)

But nuff said! No flaming from here :)


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« Reply #42 on: April 09, 2003, 01:02:49 pm »
yeah thats cool.. Side art will stay in tact :)

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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2003, 10:09:16 am »
I'm upset with it because it totally goes against the whole mame idea, to preserve these games.  If you do something like this I think mame should not run on it, conflicting ideas.  You want to preserve the game or not?  Choose one and go with it.
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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2003, 02:43:44 pm »
Sounds like you got yourself a winner...by the sounds of all the arcade preservationists...you could pawn that bad boy off for a pretty penny to one of them.  To each their-own...I've got a beat-up zephyr (a classic in it's own right) that no one is screaming at me to restore...don't think a single person would mind me taking a sledge hammer to it...but that's just me (I'm not a preservationist...I'm a recyclist).  

My $.02 on the whole preservation theory (that's all it really is..a theory)...you have your true preservationist and your wanna-be's.  I mean honestly folks...you can't intelligently use the words "preserve" , "restore" and "mame" in the same sentence...If I told someone sincere to the art of preservation and restoration of classic automobiles.. that I found a classic, restored it to original factory condition, but replaced the motor with one of those fancy electric ones...I'd get laughed at...see my point.  I know there will be those that say this is completely wrong, but where do you draw the line and who's coming up with these unwritten laws of cabinet restoration.  Either restore or mame as Sirpoonga said...as far as I'm concerned, there is no happy medium...only an invisible line that you will always cross and there will always be someone that said you went to far...

One more thing...I've said it before:  preservationists are like a certain "door-knocking" religion group that tries to push their views onto you whether you want to hear it or not.  You can't please everyone, just yourself!  If you like the side art keep it....if you don't, either sell/trade the cab to someone who does, or I have some spare paint if you need it.

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« Reply #45 on: April 10, 2003, 09:56:52 pm »
Either restore or mame as Sirpoonga said...
I hate being misquoted or misunderstood.  I said restore it if the cabinet is in decent condition.  mame it if it is a complete failure.  This dig dug was in VERY good condition.  It's hard to find a cabinet like that.

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One more thing...I've said it before:  preservationists are like a certain "door-knocking" religion group that tries to push their views onto you whether you want to hear it or not.  You can't please everyone, just yourself!  

Well, who else should teach ethics to people that have none?  ;) Of course, depending on cultural level this doesn't help either.



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« Reply #47 on: April 11, 2003, 07:20:40 am »
Now I'm being misunderstood...let me reclarify my point.  I don't care if that dig-dug is in mint condtion...if you don't have a fancy for classics...it's your damn cabinet and no one in this world should tell you what to do with it...if it was mine and someone said what I was doing was wrong...I'd have a few suggestions for them.

As for this person Carsten...Was that supposed to be an insult?  Cultural level?  If I'm reading you right, that has to be the most ignorant thing I've possibly ever heard in here...Cultural level..how about intelligence level....I've got my suspisions about your "culture", but it would be politically incorrect for me to mention them in here, must be a door-knocker!....let's stick to the topic people!

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Re:Hello, First let me introduce myself and a few questions.
« Reply #48 on: April 11, 2003, 08:49:00 am »
@cyberpunk

To many missunderstandings here, for sure. I don't like that doorknockers as you do also nore do I support any religions (don't know why you would think I'am one?), but from your writings one could think you compare us complainers here with doorknockers as well!

But if you feel destroying historical values is okay then I still think that this is kind of ethic (or culture, or whatever you want) that I don't understand. Somehow you should have some respect for those things.

If you don't, well, I can't help it anyway - it's your life, and you may do what you want. Anyway, why should I insult you - apart fromt the lines you wrote here I know absolutely nothing from you.

I still think it is wrong - I think this of many things that happen in the world, but who cares either.



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« Reply #49 on: April 11, 2003, 09:13:47 am »
Apoligies for the bad comparision "doorknockers" that just stuck out in my head because I've had a visit recently...I'm a fairly religious person and curtious to everyone I meet...so when I was approached at my home and they began their presentation...I took the hook thinking that they were simply trying to recrute members for their new church.  My wife, a church going person, was looking for a church closer to home, so I invited them in...after briefly talking for awhile...It soon occurred to me the true meaning of their visit.  Now I'm the type of person that likes to have the telemarketers repeat everything they've said while I give the phone to my 8 year old daughter, just for kicks...so I in return tried to persuade these JW people to convert to Christianity....they then proceeded to tell me what was lacking from my religion and why I should become one of them...to make a very long story short, I ended up offending them because I said their religion sounded more like a cult than anything (only letting a certain number of people into heaven...what a load of crap!)....after they left, I was completely frustrated because these people wanted to PUSH, PUSH, PUSH there views onto me and didn't care that I didn't see things their way...In their eyes, I was wrong, my religion was wrong, my beliefs, feelings, thoughts, and even actions were wrong....Even though I thought those people leaving my house were complete nut-cases and felt sorry for them...I respect their beliefs, just keep them the hell away from me!

I read this post and got the very same vibe from the preservationists trying to push their views...Hey, what you do in your backyard is your business...but this forum is everyone's backyard...I'll respect your views in return for the respect of mine...no one is right or wrong here.  If you think destroying a classic is wrong...you are entitled.  Opinions are like @ssholes, everyone's got one.  I personally think of classic arcades as 8track tapes, cellphones that you had to carry over your shoulder, mainframe computers that take up an entire room, phones with cords on them, televisions without remotes...etc.  These things will always be classics to some people...to me (any many others), they're old, tired, and for the most part...junk...that's MY opinion.  I know it's different than alot of people's, but it doesn't make me wrong.  And you don't see me pushing my view on others saying that anyone who doesn't trash such a cab is wrong.  Historical values?  Classics got us to where we are today...that's where I'm at, and that's what I'm promoting...the present and the future....you wanna live in the past, hang on to your youth...great.  Just let those of us who really don't care much about visiting the past...move forward.  And when someone changes their original gameplan for the approval of others...that's just sad.  We do live in a very sick world lately...just never thought it would extend to arcade gaming as well.

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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2003, 10:57:58 am »
I thought you were going to go in a totally different place with that story CP..

I thought the JW would see your arcade cabinet, and "find gawd" in pacman or something...  

Like religion's could co-exist if they only played a game of bubble bobble together or something... Mame could solve that whole west bank issue!  =P Mr do and dig dug could be our new golden idols...

er nevermind.. it's clear now that i've gone mad...

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« Reply #51 on: April 11, 2003, 11:00:19 am »
Playing too much Dig-dug can do that to you...we're all clearly insane!

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« Reply #52 on: April 12, 2003, 03:26:55 am »
Playing too much Dig-dug can do that to you...we're all clearly insane!

you had the opportunity to witness the gospel of Jesus to them and you let them *leave*?!?

that's it man, you're not going to be one of the 144,000 getting into heaven.. especially since God Likes his cabinets virgin and unbroken...not drilled and cut into..

(I am going to burn in hell almost as bad as hvnsnt for this post..but i'll be in the ring of hell that has access to unmodified donkey kongs and pac mans...he'll be in the ring that has mame cabs with std arcade monitors and no vid cards under 72 hrz..:-)

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« Reply #53 on: April 13, 2003, 05:37:18 pm »
hehe just wanted to let everyone know that there has been several updates!  you can now see how it is going to look. :)  Man I love working on this thing.

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« Reply #54 on: April 14, 2003, 08:21:38 am »
hehe just wanted to let everyone know that there has been several updates!  you can now see how it is going to look. :)  Man I love working on this thing.

Oh gawd. You realize you wouldn't have had to lop off the wings to do that control panel right?
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« Reply #55 on: April 14, 2003, 09:03:08 am »
oh well whats done is done..

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« Reply #56 on: April 14, 2003, 12:44:16 pm »
I think you need to change your web address to:
I Hacked A Dig Dug.com

That cabinet is the equivelent of putting a big fibreglass wing and a blower sticking out of the hood on a '53 Corvette. Nice job on your Frankenstein. You turned a thing of beauty into an eyesore.
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« Reply #57 on: April 14, 2003, 01:30:31 pm »
Nice job on your Frankenstein.

thanks! :D

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« Reply #58 on: April 15, 2003, 02:25:20 pm »
c'mon brax.  cut the guy some slack.  
There are plenty of people who have done worse to an arcade cab than hevnsnt did.  Besides, it's his.  We don't cut into the guy who decides to store 50 classic games in a leaky garage and he is WAY more deserving.  
Your point's been made.  
(plus, Ive seen many more cabs more deserving of the 'frankensein' title on the examples page (no offense intended to anyone in particular), or even 'converted' cabs in arcades; his cab doesen't look that bad IMHO (although the control panel is a bit large for an 80's style cab and not to my personal tastes).
Im all for fighting the good fight and suggesting to people to preserve older games instead of converting them, but in the end it is thier choice and they should be able to make it and not expect to be chastised about it.

if we keep this up it's gonna start looking like AVSforum in here.....
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« Reply #59 on: April 15, 2003, 06:32:50 pm »
Sorry, can't.

It was nothing less than dumb what he did. Not even slagging him.... It just plain was.
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« Reply #60 on: April 15, 2003, 07:26:38 pm »
well, Im sorry to hear that.
I thought you had the ability to see other opinions besides your own.
clearly, regardless of your personal opinion, this person put time and energy into what is for him a worthwile and fun project.
to be openly ridiculed, and worse, insulted (frankenstein???) is completley uncalled for.
you expressed your opinion (to spite being asked not too (but, this is a public forum after all so I definately don't fault you for that)), many agreed some did not, but the poster remained tactful and civil throughout. you, however, have not.

I guess, I just had a little more respect for your objectivity is all...

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« Reply #61 on: April 16, 2003, 12:01:58 am »
 The original poster has remained civil throught this thread and he should be commended for that. But that doesn't change what he did. His site is a walking advertisement for everything that is wrong about mame.
   Instead of preserving history as mame claims as its goal, mame made it possible (even preferable) to destroy a classic game rather than save it. If there was no mame he would only have one choice- save the original.
    What about all the new people who visit his site and think what a great job he did and they rush out to copy it. Its one thing to do something in the privacy of your own home, but when you advertise it and make a site celebrating it, you should be called on it.

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« Reply #62 on: April 16, 2003, 05:13:22 am »
ok, wtf is wrong with you guys anyways?  Ok, if someone goes and sees his site, then goes and decides to rip apart a cabinet, they're putting it to good use.  A mame cabinet in a persons home will get 1000 times more play out of it than a rusty old classic that will get cobwebs on it, and probably rot away.
  Here's a great example: so I was at this guys house, party sorta, and I went into this guest room, a fullsize, pretty clean Tron cabinet was sitting in there, but it was getting really dusty, since the power supply kept blowing, and they never bothered to fix it.  I'll bet money its still there a year later, if that thing was a mame cabinet, it would be running at top shape right now.
   Now saying converting a cabinet ruins the point of mame, go back to whatever world you come from man.  MAME, like all other emulators, is there to help us remember our childhood, and play games that we didn't know existed.  Just like ZSNES lets me play games I remember from when I was 10, and I can't even tell you how many games I've bumped into on VirtuaNES that I remember from wayyy back.
   If there was no mame, we wouldn't be here talking about this right now, and the collecting of arcade games probably wouldn't be so precious to soo many people on this board.  Its like when you give people something thats too good to be true, they want the original crappy version back just to say they have it.
   I love original arcade games, but if you can make them better and don't feel any sentimental value to the old version, DO IT!  and if you're stupid enough to follow someone's example just cause they did it, you shouldn't be building a mame cabinet anyways.  Remember, mame cabinets take a LOT of research!
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« Reply #63 on: April 16, 2003, 08:07:51 am »
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« Reply #64 on: April 16, 2003, 08:09:59 am »
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His site is a walking advertisement for everything that is wrong about mame

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It was nothing less than dumb what he did

Please...I see nothing but opinions here.  People, what makes this "wrong" or "dumb"...some would say that pushing your opinion off as fact is wrong and dumb...LIKE ME!  Again, here we go with the unwritten (someone really should but the rules down into a manual) rules of cab maming (punn intended).

Oh, by the way, I'm sure all of you have an original cab (with boards and not mame) to be talking smack like that...right?  If not, I guess that would make you a hypocrit....I HATE HYPOCRITS!



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« Reply #65 on: April 16, 2003, 08:15:42 am »
BTW...did you notice how hevnsnt made a post, after reading about everyone's comments about hacking a classic..and posted:

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hehe just wanted to let everyone know that there has been several updates!

especially the HEHE part...he's mocking all of you.  Salt in an open wound.  -Funny

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« Reply #66 on: April 16, 2003, 08:19:02 am »
Ooo, ow.

bahaha, I think it's funnier what he did to himself.


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« Reply #67 on: April 16, 2003, 08:28:00 am »
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People, what makes this "wrong" or "dumb"...

I see no sense in discussing this, but maybe below is an interesting link taken from these pages. (under "Cabinets") THIS site states that this is wrong, so in my opinion it's no wonder and all you have to expect when you demonstrate classic cabinets with cutoff-wings.

I'll keep my opinions for me now, as it all was written in this thread before anyway.

http://www.arcadecontrols.com/arcade_cabinets.shtml



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« Reply #68 on: April 16, 2003, 08:37:39 am »
Are you refering to:
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Please do be mindful that we don't destroy what we're trying to re-create.  Many classic arcade machines are rare and worth a heck of a lot more intact than altered.  Ideal candidates for this type of project are machines that have already been abused by previous owners - artwork destroyed, poorly converted, etc...  If you have a classic cabinet in good shape, you can probably sell it to a collector and get a trashed but usable cabinet in the bargain.
That leaves alot of room and not very specific...I'm talking lists...who says that a Street Fighter cab should be modified before a pacmac or dig-dug?  Who's the judge, I hated pacman and digdug.

I'm not saying that those wanting to preserve these cabs are wrong...just when they open their arrogant mouths and tell others it's wrong...

I don't care who said it or who took the time to write it down and post it somewhere....if it's not ILLEGAL and it's yours, then it's NOT WRONG!  

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« Reply #69 on: April 16, 2003, 08:45:36 am »
My point is not weather it is right or wrong,
everyone has their own opinion and they have been discussed here, openly.
my personal feeling is that he should have put a little more time into the engineering before grabbing a sawsall..

However, this should not be used as an excuse for the childish behavior I have seen here.
Opnions on either side can be expressed (and have been) by rampy, carsten, and anthony (among others)
What I do think is wrong is demeaning another person's work because you do not agree with it, to each their own and let it go.

The fact that the youngest person on this borard showed more tact and courtesy then everyone else during this childish interlude is pretty damn sad (for us, not him)

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« Reply #70 on: April 16, 2003, 02:44:19 pm »
The fact that the youngest person on this borard showed more tact and courtesy then everyone else during this childish interlude is pretty damn sad (for us, not him)
I can't be the youngest here....

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« Reply #71 on: April 16, 2003, 03:43:43 pm »
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