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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2006, 02:31:29 pm »
Maybe the answer is just to hack more powerful solenoids into it?  :)  Or just build a replacement table altogether and just use the game's eletronics to drive the game?  :D
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2006, 05:04:05 pm »
The difference is in the amount of force the coil is able to generate.  In addition, flipper coils are actually two coils: a more powerful (50 volt) coil for the initial kick, and a less-powerful (25 volt) coil to hold the flipper in place (to keep from burning out the larger coil); an end-of-stroke switch changes from one coil to the other. 

Well, aside from the dual wrap nature of most pinball flipper coils, that small (likely) single wrap coil has a different resistance and shorter wrap length than a full size coil.  That doesn't make it a toy, though.  It makes it more like a bumper coil. 

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2006, 05:08:47 pm »
The difference is in the amount of force the coil is able to generate.  In addition, flipper coils are actually two coils: a more powerful (50 volt) coil for the initial kick, and a less-powerful (25 volt) coil to hold the flipper in place (to keep from burning out the larger coil); an end-of-stroke switch changes from one coil to the other. 

Well, aside from the dual wrap nature of most pinball flipper coils, that small (likely) single wrap coil has a different resistance and shorter wrap length than a full size coil.  That doesn't make it a toy, though.  It makes it more like a bumper coil. 
Either way my experience playing it was that the flippers were so weak they could barely get the ball up the ramp.
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2006, 05:13:02 pm »

What was the condition of the machine?  Was it a retail display model?  Those are always beat to crap.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2006, 07:27:51 pm »

What was the condition of the machine?  Was it a retail display model?  Those are always beat to crap.
Yes it was, and that's definately a possibility.  Or possibly just put together poorly by the employees.
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #45 on: November 12, 2006, 10:43:12 am »

I've read that they are not standing up to retail display level use/abuse.  They're not designed for that level of abuse and you know how people vandalize display models.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #46 on: December 23, 2006, 10:37:01 am »
I've had a Zizzle Pirates pinball for over a week now. I play Pinball at a local arcade all the time, so I can say the Zizzle machine is comparable..... but not as good as a full sized machine.

One thing about it.... it is very hard. You really have to tilt the machine alot to play a good round. The machines built in tilt mechanism seems to only be sensative to tilting the machine back.

Over all me and my family love the thing and it gets lots of play time every day.
I'd be happy to take the bottom panel off sometime today and post pictures if anyone is interested.

One thing I wish they had made better: The ball launcher is no different than the $75 Spiderman toy pinball machine I have.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #47 on: December 25, 2006, 12:01:00 am »
I Saw one of the Pirates machines at Sears recently.  Sadly, they had
tooken out the ball so you couldnt play.  However, the flipper action
seemed nice. 

 I have to say, sure, this isnt a real machine..  however,  this is a
HUGE step up from the other crappy knockoffs out there.   

 I remember the phoney pinball machine we had as kids.  It
was actually one of the more expensive ones that was near
fullsize, and stood on legs.  There was no bumper type action
at all...  just spings and contact points.  No sound fx except for
an annoying point bell.  The layout was poor and boaring.   No
ramps, holes, etc.  Very craptastic :P   

 In comparison, Im pretty Jealous if kids are getting these
to play with for xmas  heh     Well, I cant be too upset.. as
I now finally own 2 'real' pins :D

 
 

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #48 on: December 31, 2006, 03:10:20 pm »
I was at Best Buy yesterday and they had it for $149... Sadly the sale said it ended on 12/30.  I had to get it, me and my 4 year old are having a blast.  I have Visual pinball installed on my arcade cab, but having a real steel ball, even if it's a cheap one is cool, just the sounds and the flashy lights in the attract mode adds to the experience.

For $300, not so sure, but a $149 ya can't complain at all!
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #49 on: January 10, 2007, 07:53:07 pm »
Here is the underside of the Pirates machine. The pics are kinda large.
I replaced the the flipper buttons on mine with real arcade buttons.
Thats what the black tape is doing... tucking away the wire.

http://www.geocities.com/chazbeenhad/MISC/Zizzle_pinball_inside_1.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/chazbeenhad/MISC/Zizzle_pinball_inside_2.jpg

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #50 on: January 10, 2007, 09:09:06 pm »
It does look like a motivated person could replace some of the solenoids with more powerful ones if necessary.  In fact, this looks like a great candidate for just generally hacking and modding.
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #51 on: January 11, 2007, 12:56:25 pm »

Those plastic mechs would limit how far you could go with more powerful solenoids... you'd probably have to replace the whole housing with a metal one.  And then you'd have to worry about stronger bumpers shattering playfield parts.  I'm sure it could all be done but you'd have to swap out quite a few things.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #52 on: January 11, 2007, 01:14:28 pm »

Those plastic mechs would limit how far you could go with more powerful solenoids... you'd probably have to replace the whole housing with a metal one.  And then you'd have to worry about stronger bumpers shattering playfield parts.  I'm sure it could all be done but you'd have to swap out quite a few things.
Could be fun though... you could take an old cabinet, essentially rebuild it at full size with real parts and just keep the CPU and scoring unit.  At $150 it would be cheap enough to try something with it...

When I found BYOAC, I was actually trying to build my own pinball machine from scratch... I still have old circuit schematics I sketched out for it years ago (I wasn't going to drive it with a PC).  Once I discovered BYOAC, it was "Why spend 600-70 building a pin that only plays one game and will never be as good as a "real" machine, or put the same or less into an arcade cabinet that will play hundreds of games almost exactly as they were in the arcade?"  MAME won. 
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #53 on: January 11, 2007, 01:39:34 pm »
Could be fun though... you could take an old cabinet, essentially rebuild it at full size with real parts and just keep the CPU and scoring unit.  At $150 it would be cheap enough to try something with it...

You can get a pretty good real project pin for $150 that needs about that same amount of work.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #54 on: January 11, 2007, 01:49:39 pm »
Could be fun though... you could take an old cabinet, essentially rebuild it at full size with real parts and just keep the CPU and scoring unit.  At $150 it would be cheap enough to try something with it...

You can get a pretty good real project pin for $150 that needs about that same amount of work.
I've been keeping my eye out for one on the Mr. Pinball classifieds and craigslist; haven't seen one in east Georgia yet. If I do I'm all over it.  :)
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #55 on: January 11, 2007, 01:51:38 pm »

Are you a GAPAS member?  Bet you can find one there if you ask.  Post on RGP as well, someone in the area could have one sitting around.  You won't get a Funhouse that way but you could easily end up with a lesser popularity title in that range.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #56 on: January 11, 2007, 02:01:27 pm »

Are you a GAPAS member?  Bet you can find one there if you ask.  Post on RGP as well, someone in the area could have one sitting around.  You won't get a Funhouse that way but you could easily end up with a lesser popularity title in that range.
Never heard of GAPAS... (insert Googling here, ending up at http://www.georgiapinball.org/ )  Hmm... very interesting.  Gonna have to look into that... thanks for the pointer!

Funhouse is certainly where I'd like to end up in a few years, but I'd definately want to hone skills on smaller project machines first.
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #57 on: January 11, 2007, 02:07:38 pm »

A good place to start is on an early Williams SS if you can find one.  It will get you familiar with the Williams preWPC architecture (that some great games use) and even if you get a "crappy" title you'll still end up with a quality player if you do it well.  There are some low end games in that category out there that should be available for a reasonable price.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #58 on: January 11, 2007, 02:36:55 pm »
+1 for early Williams solid state games.  It's really hard to go wrong with any of them. 

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #59 on: January 11, 2007, 02:41:25 pm »
Fortunately I have a fondness for machines from the 70's/early 80's.  :)  But I should probably stop hijacking the Zazzle thread...
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2007, 11:58:46 am »
Too bad someone hasn't put Williams flipper assemblies on the Zizzle machine. Just reuse the Zizzle coils and put them onto the Williams assemblies.
« Last Edit: January 24, 2007, 06:21:51 pm by Ken Layton »

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2007, 12:01:58 pm »
Too bad someone hasn't put Williams flipper assemblies on the Ziffle machine.
Chad's probably right, the machine probably couldn't handle the power.
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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #62 on: January 25, 2007, 02:56:30 pm »

Ken isn't saying to replace the Zizzle coils... he's saying to reuse the Zizzle coils in Williams assemblies.  The Williams assemblies are really, really tough to break even in a Williams machine.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #63 on: March 06, 2007, 07:45:36 pm »
sorry to bring an old thread back to life, i just noticed these are on sale at bestbuy.com for $169.99

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #64 on: March 19, 2007, 10:19:17 pm »
at Sears today I noticed the Pirates of the Caribean pinball was on sale for $99.  This was at the Parks Mall in Arlington, Tx. 

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2007, 05:35:21 pm »

Wow these must not be selling at all.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #66 on: August 23, 2008, 06:49:16 pm »
Somebody modded a zizzle POTC pinball machine into a Deathklok/Metalocalypse machine, the cartoon that is on the Cartoon networks Adultswim.

I did email the guy and he said he was unable to make any changes to the sounds so it still sounds like a POTC machine :(

Here are some pics I found.

If the images do not show here is the forum I found them on:
http://www.dethklok.org/forums/showthread.php?t=867&highlight=pinball\
« Last Edit: August 24, 2008, 12:30:13 am by bowman9 »

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #67 on: August 23, 2008, 11:47:00 pm »
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGv7Cj8Vfxk[/youtube]

 found vid

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #68 on: August 23, 2008, 11:47:14 pm »
I couldn't see any of the pictures here or at the site you mentioned. When I go to that site it asks me to register.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #69 on: August 24, 2008, 12:32:23 am »
I added the images as attachments (above), you should be able to see them now.

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2008, 03:24:55 pm »
I sent an email to Zizzle (John) to ask if the sounds could be changed on the machine to match a new theme if the cutomer wanted to change the theme of the machine to their own design. His response was "the software is masked...so it can not be changed". So has any one here (or elsewhere) "unmasked" the software?

If so please let me (us) know.

Thanks,

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Re: zizzle toy pinball machines
« Reply #71 on: December 31, 2008, 03:37:53 pm »
I sent an email to Zizzle (John) to ask if the sounds could be changed on the machine to match a new theme if the cutomer wanted to change the theme of the machine to their own design. His response was "the software is masked...so it can not be changed". So has any one here (or elsewhere) "unmasked" the software?

If so please let me (us) know.

Thanks,

reviving the thread ...

It is too bad they did not make it programmable, they may have found a better market had they allowed users to change the sounds with their own mp3s etc.


  
 

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