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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #240 on: October 29, 2005, 10:43:28 am »
 ;) Hello Barry, first off I really like the program and I am doing some experimenting while I wait for some parts to start building my juke.  I have one problem and I am convinced I am just not reading something correctly.  Since I am experimenting I would like to delete the library and start fresh.  I have not found a way to do that.  The config screen offers a delete existing but it is shadowed out.  Please let me know what I am missing.......thanks so much!!!
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #241 on: October 29, 2005, 12:11:51 pm »
;) Hello Barry, first off I really like the program and I am doing some experimenting while I wait for some parts to start building my juke.
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« Reply #242 on: October 29, 2005, 05:56:55 pm »
Hey Bar,
             Having a little problem with the built in screen saver. Instead of going to a now plying type screen after a little while it goes to what looks like a corrupted looking history screen. Any ideas?

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #243 on: October 29, 2005, 09:22:58 pm »
It's actually getting quite snappy on the album view mode Barcrest.  I'll keep playing with it.  I see there's lots of new features to play with.  Top Notch as usual!

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #244 on: October 30, 2005, 01:38:46 am »
1) It appears that when Random mode is on, the "next song" display shows the last chosen song.

2) The Help button shows me a screen that's titled "Top 20 played songs" and some undefined text fields.

3) It could be useful to have a "now playing" button so you could get to the screen to "give a thumbs up" without waiting for the idle time to show the screen

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #245 on: October 30, 2005, 07:12:56 am »
1) It appears that when Random mode is on, the "next song" display shows the last chosen song.

This is a known bug i will look at it now.

Fixed this now i believe, but it will need more testing...

2) The Help button shows me a screen that's titled "Top 20 played songs" and some undefined text fields.

This is because i removed what it used to do but have yet to decide what it does now LOL....

3) It could be useful to have a "now playing" button so you could get to the screen to "give a thumbs up" without waiting for the idle time to show the screen

If you click anywhere on the now playing section top right on the main screen it will take you there. This has been the way it's worked since day 1, but i don't have a manual... If somebody fancies building a manual based on the included txt files that would be great. Obviously full credit given.

UPDATE:
I have worked a little bit more on the NEW METHOD for the album view, it now displays track numbers if selected and will display the artist name on compilation albums. I just need it to display the correct information elsewhere like on the now playing and queue screens and i will release one more test version. If this passes without a hitch i will remove the old database method and replace it with this much faster one.

UPDATE 2:
I have fixed up the NEW METHOD for displaying the tracks, it now seems to work fine so here is the test release. Also i have made it quicker when going through the pages in ablum view. 3 times quicker to be exact as before it was drawinf the video and karaoke tabs even though you couldn't see them. Now it only updates what is required. I will continue to work on optimizing the mess that is the code LOL....

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« Last Edit: October 30, 2005, 07:59:54 am by Barcrest »

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #246 on: October 30, 2005, 03:21:22 pm »
Just some feedback on the carosel feature. You might want to look at a new way of implementing it. What you should do is when you pick an album have a button next to the play whole album that would add it to the shuffle play. Then have a button on the main screen that would take you to the list of albums in the shuffle play. The way you have it now people at a party can't use this feature unless you give them the password to your options page. (A big nono)

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« Reply #247 on: October 30, 2005, 08:01:28 pm »
Just some feedback on the carosel feature. You might want to look at a new way of implementing it. What you should do is when you pick an album have a button next to the play whole album that would add it to the shuffle play. Then have a button on the main screen that would take you to the list of albums in the shuffle play. The way you have it now people at a party can't use this feature unless you give them the password to your options page. (A big nono)

Dude you said you wanted it as a substitue for the standard random play, this is what i offered.... To be honest there is no easy way to add these albums to the random play based on user selection and to be honest it goes against the whole jukebox principle. I am not being funny about the whole thing (I have just got back from the pub) but i don't see how giving this option to the punters is a jukebox type option so i am not going to add it. Sorry! but i try to add all requests but this is out of the scope of where i am looking to go with the software. I have not turned down a request yet but this seems to be out of the scope of the software, sorry.... If you can convince me otherwise then i might look at it, but i am pretty sure this is not what the majority of people would consider jukebox behavior.

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« Reply #248 on: October 31, 2005, 11:40:45 am »
Not a biggie man and no appologies required. It was just a feature that was on a couple other jukeboxes I used that was kind of sweet. It was never really called random play or anything like that. They usually referred to it as 5 disc. When you clicked on it a screen would come up with squares labeled 1 through 5 that were arranged in a circular pattern on the screen like a carosel. You could then click on one of the squares which would then bring up the album view. When you picked an album cover it would then switch back to the carosel view and that cover would be there. You could then repeat this up to 5 albums. There was then a check box on the screen if you wanted to play these songs in random order.

Like I said not a biggie and I wouldn't worry about it. I actually started looking at the skinner to see if there was a way to add the functionality from the options screen to a button on the main screen. Great work on everything.

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #249 on: October 31, 2005, 01:12:44 pm »
It will be in tonights release along with the option to turn on/off the following...

Play Now DONE
Play Next DONE
Add To Queue DONE

Add Album To Queue DONE
Add Album To Carosel DONE

EDIT: I am just adding the code to save these settings into the INI file and i will stick a release up.
Once i get the code in to do all that i will stick a release up.

Then i want to get some code to allow these buttons to be edittible via the skintool. I am also looking at some other stuff to add to the skin tool as i want to add as much customisation as possible to hopefully see some new skins from you guys
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #250 on: October 31, 2005, 04:21:54 pm »
Added the Carosel button as requested by Str1der,
Also added the option to turn on/off the following...
PLAY NOW
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All settings are retained in the ini file and are loaded at start up. Hope you like it more tomorrow as i am too knackered to code any more now.

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« Reply #251 on: November 01, 2005, 08:25:11 am »
When I hit "Add entire Album" I get a msgbox popping up for each song in the album with an ok button. After clicking all the ok buttons, it has worked......

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« Reply #252 on: November 01, 2005, 08:32:22 am »
When I hit "Add entire Album" I get a msgbox popping up for each song in the album with an ok button. After clicking all the ok buttons, it has worked......

Damn, must have left some debug code in there... I will remove that tonight. I did try and test it all before sticking the release up  ::)

TBH i had been meaning to add the code to disable/enable thoose buttons for a while now as some people don't want PLAY NOW and PLAY NEXT etc...

Hopefully i can get some skinning options completed tonight and i will post up a version without the debug stuff you saw and also the improved skinning stuff.

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I am switching over to the NEW METHOD for displaying the tracks as no one has reported any bugs with it. The next version will no longer contain the current method for displaying the tracks as it is just too slow. If anyone has noticed any bugs please speak up now as of tonight the old method will be replaced. To try out this go into options and select NEW METHOD for displaying the tracks.

Thanks again for your contiuned support.

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #253 on: November 01, 2005, 11:59:52 am »
Does New Method have an impact if you are using Database for music?

Bug:

I made a database with 2000 mp3s, all worked fine. I then went to the config program to make a completely new database in a completely different location. I pointed to the new dir with just 350 mp3s and hit generate. It reports successful completelion instantly, without scanning the mp3's. In the jukebox it list the correct number of albums but with song names taken from the old database. It seems to cut the records file size down to the correct new size without adding the new data.

If I delete the records.rec and then generate database again (pointing at the new dir with only 350 mp3's) it scans properly and works fine.

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #254 on: November 01, 2005, 03:48:05 pm »
Hello Barry,

thank you for the Update, for the faster Albumview. On my 600 Mhz PII PC machine it takes only one second from side to side. Thats good!  :D

I have now another suggestion, can you create an little button in the options box
so that I can disable the hands from Current Rating? I use only the box at home
and I dont use and like these function thats good for an official working place.  ::)

A new problem I found, as I install the freebox on an blank windows 2000 pro, there are some dlls you are not deliver in your installation. So I got the following errors:

Runtime Error 339
Component MSCOMCTL.OCX or one of its depencies not crrectly registered a file missing or valid.

Again I got these errors for COMDLG32.OCX and MSVCP60.DLL.... :P

So I install some other MP3 Jukebox programs and some programs have ??
these dll, ocx or what..I dont know. In the end: your programm works nice.  ;D
Could be that you must test the MP3 Jukebox on an new blank system and
see the problems yourself.

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« Reply #255 on: November 02, 2005, 03:09:57 am »
Does New Method have an impact if you are using Database for music?

Yes it does, i will make it the default method tonight anyway and if any bugs do arise i should be able to fix them pretty quick anyway.

Bug:

I made a database with 2000 mp3s, all worked fine. I then went to the config program to make a completely new database in a completely different location. I pointed to the new dir with just 350 mp3s and hit generate. It reports successful completelion instantly, without scanning the mp3's. In the jukebox it list the correct number of albums but with song names taken from the old database. It seems to cut the records file size down to the correct new size without adding the new data.

If I delete the records.rec and then generate database again (pointing at the new dir with only 350 mp3's) it scans properly and works fine.

Yep, it's a bug.. It should clear what it has loaded up for the update when you select Generate but it wasn't doing that it will be fixed tonight.

Hello Barry,

thank you for the Update, for the faster Albumview. On my 600 Mhz PII PC machine it takes only one second from side to side. Thats good!
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« Reply #256 on: November 02, 2005, 04:26:23 pm »
OK I'm lazy... This has got the ADD ALBUM and GENERATE PLAYLIST bugs fixed. It also now defaults to the new method for displaying track lists as the last version never saved this setting!!! but the old method is still in there should anyone want to use it? I will be taking it out at some point.

So anyone who want's the bug fixed version it's here, No new features though i'm afraid.

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« Reply #257 on: November 03, 2005, 06:48:51 pm »
Barry, you probably mentioned it before but I can't find it and don't feel like looking deeper in this thread, but, for those albums that are showing up at the beginning of my album view, that don't actually belong there, i.e. The don't start with numerical values, I assume the tags need to be fixed so that they populate correctly?


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« Reply #258 on: November 03, 2005, 06:54:19 pm »
Bug:

When in Album view, select an Album, which takes you to the individual album.

You will notice Album, Artist, and Released information below the album image do not match.

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« Reply #259 on: November 03, 2005, 07:37:45 pm »
Bug:

When in Album view, select an Album, which takes you to the individual album.

You will notice Album, Artist, and Released information below the album image do not match.

You are probably correct here, i will check tomorrow. I will add a fix to pull this from the 1st mp3. It will slow it down but only slightly, i could stor that info for each mp3 but memory usage has already gone nuts i noticed to night an i need to try and keep that down. I will spend some time on it this weekend and that BUG will be something i look at....

As for the album sorting, i should be offering some options for this very soon. Like sort by artist, album title, year etc... I have an idea of storing all tags with the album title and aritist info i keep for each album. Then each of thoose fields will be sortable :D

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« Reply #260 on: November 04, 2005, 03:39:46 pm »
DO you have some plans to host a real webhotel for your application, maybe a better name than just "Freebox", wich more jukebox software use the same title (maybe just Barcrest's Freebox?)?

Your application is allready now really featurerich and need a real webhotel now, maybe because I dosent like this type download type webhotel (but it have still works great wich this stage of your application)?

You should soon release your first real version, because it can bear on it on now (even it still have some bugs, but can never been completly bugfree) on a new homepage with some great screenshots of it (just that one SK Jukebox have made, it just simple but good).

You could just version number it, like I have did wich my own jukebox software (like v1.001, v1.002).
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« Reply #261 on: November 04, 2005, 06:13:23 pm »
Hi Barry,

news from the bugs  :P

Runtime error `53` file not found " any CD name... :-\

The error occurs if, I use the back button in the album view - sometimes I press the button to fast??

Next:
If I will cancel the program CONFIG, if the work is done, it is already in the Taskmanager end no ends.. any ideas? I must cancel the program in the
Taskmanager. thats not right, isnt it?  :o

Hope you can help. Please note: I like your Freebox!!!  :laugh:

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« Reply #262 on: November 05, 2005, 06:17:16 am »
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« Reply #263 on: November 05, 2005, 07:55:20 pm »
Barry, don't stop now!

IMO, dude, you're doing a frickin awesome job on this little app and you're meeting more than one person's needs as you're going about it.

Freebox is fast becoming an extremely robust, fast, and very capable jukebox application!  Kudos to you my friend! Don't give up!

With each bug fixed, you're moving closer to a more refined product.  If you're feeling overwhelmed, my only suggestion is to focus on whatever bugs you may still have for now and shoot for a RTM type release.

Get to that point and then you can start a software roadmap for future enhancements and upgrades!

Don't stop doing what you're doing my friend!  You're churning out fixes faster than most commercial companies I deal with!

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« Reply #264 on: November 06, 2005, 12:09:15 pm »
Not stopping mate  ;) I just fixed up the bug you pointed out where the Artists and Album info in the track view were not showing up correct.

I am hoping for a release tonight, it will probably be just another bug fix release for you guys to test out.

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« Reply #265 on: November 07, 2005, 02:22:50 am »
Hi Barry,

I test a little more about the Runtime error `53` file not found " any
JPEG.... ??? Bulding the database new...now changing

I found that it only occure in the 6 CDs View. Sound play. I go forward to side 2 and 3. Then I go back to side 2
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« Reply #267 on: November 07, 2005, 07:50:50 pm »
I have finally got around to adding the 4 cover view with track listing. Well it's not 100% working yet but at least i have started. To be honest i am not sure how usable this will turn out but at least i have started on it, take a look at the screenshot.

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« Reply #268 on: November 08, 2005, 02:09:19 am »
Hi Barry,

nice look your 4 Cover side!
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« Reply #269 on: November 08, 2005, 03:46:32 am »
Hi Barry,

nice look your 4 Cover side!
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« Reply #270 on: November 08, 2005, 07:08:27 am »
Hi Barry,

I have an new idea for an nice new function. If I go every evening in my bed
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #271 on: November 08, 2005, 08:40:47 am »
Hi Barry,

I have an new idea for an nice new function. If I go every evening in my bed

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #272 on: November 08, 2005, 02:02:04 pm »
Hey, this idea was on my own Arcade Music Box since one of the very first versions! I really like that feature.

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Just use the shutdown software (I used a 3third party to doing that), that follow with AMB. It works really great on all OS (XP shutdown is NOT the same as the 98 and NT, they all use diffecent methods).
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #273 on: November 08, 2005, 05:14:18 pm »
Hi Barry,

new update is flying :-) Very nice...
The playing music function is already working.

Now some new little bugs i found today.  :P

If I use the History butten the program crash: Runtime 76 Path not found.
If I use the Help Button I see the History?
If I use Application - Random Play Settings - without any CD in the fields press button- Add Album - program crash: Runtime Error 5
If I press button - Remove Album - without any CD in the fields program crash: Runtime error 5.

In the Album view, if an CD Title is longer as 26 letters, I can see only an half high letters under the row with the 26 letters. Can you generate an two rows title information under the pictures, only if its necessary for so long titels?  ::)


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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #274 on: November 09, 2005, 05:51:23 am »
Hey, this idea was on my own Arcade Music Box since one of the very first versions! I really like that feature.

Barcrest:
Just use the shutdown software (I used a 3third party to doing that), that follow with AMB. It works really great on all OS (XP shutdown is NOT the same as the 98 and NT, they all use diffecent methods).

Yeah i know there are different methods but i think i can do it internally by checking the windows version and calling the correct code. I can only check on XP and 2k so somebody else will have to confirm that it works on windows 98.

Shell "shutdown -s -t 00"

Should work on NT4, 2K and XP though...


I think i can do it via API.

Hi Barry,

new update is flying :-) Very nice...
The playing music function is already working.

Now some new little bugs i found today.
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #275 on: November 09, 2005, 04:43:14 pm »
Shutdown:

I tried to doing both API and commandline call, but it didden't work very great in some situtions. The commandline utility I used was really good, and can been forced to shutdown the OS. It named Poweroff, and can been found on this adress:

http://users.pandora.be/jbosman/applications.html

I know you do not like to call third party utilies, but this one is shutdown and dosen't need a ocx or fullscreen control or so in.

This application tested succesful on both Win 98 and Win XP (but have not tested on Win 2000). I dosen't have acces to Win 98 anymore....

But all is up to you, how to use it (even I got that rare feature, and used it as well here).

[EDIT]
Bugs I found, when I quick tested for first time today (yes it very well made and like it, if I would use on a real jukebox):

 - Alt F4, Ctrl-Q and/or Close Button didden't work here (danish XP), could only close with SHIFT ALT DELETE. This is a important it can close down in a real way (but close button is of course hidden in fullscreen mode).

 - A Tiny Spelling in Search: BACKSAPCE  (AP is swapped)

 - I really dosen't like the "Play Now" feature, because paid songs could been stopped very quickly), but PLAY NEXT (wich I also have in my own software) is a fine feature.

 - HELP button dosent work as it should.

 - If a corrupt song was found, and show alert about error.txt, no albums is listed, but the database is created anyware, wich can been seen when config is restarted.

- In database config: Tried to remove a album, that was not marked: Crash

- It use a bulk of memory, here it used about 200MB of memory (I have 768MB), and there was coverarts to mostly on the 15 pages with 6 albums in view used. 200MB can been away to much!



That all. Good luck with your application.
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #276 on: November 09, 2005, 05:51:08 pm »
Shutdown:

I tried to doing both API and commandline call, but it didden't work very great in some situtions. The commandline utility I used was really good, and can been forced to shutdown the OS. It named Poweroff, and can been found on this adress:

http://users.pandora.be/jbosman/applications.html

I know you do not like to call third party utilies, but this one is shutdown and dosen't need a ocx or fullscreen control or so in.

This application tested succesful on both Win 98 and Win XP (but have not tested on Win 2000). I dosen't have acces to Win 98 anymore....

But all is up to you, how to use it (even I got that rare feature, and used it as well here).

Ok i will have to test out some options, i am not 100% sure what i will go with yet but thanks for the tips.

[EDIT]
Bugs I found, when I quick tested for first time today (yes it very well made and like it, if I would use on a real jukebox):

 - Alt F4, Ctrl-Q and/or Close Button didden't work here (danish XP), could only close with SHIFT ALT DELETE. This is a important it can close down in a real way (but close button is of course hidden in fullscreen mode).

This is by design, to shut down you have to go into the options screen and select power off. This is to stop users shutting the application down, although i admit i should hide the red X


 - A Tiny Spelling in Search: BACKSAPCE
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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #277 on: November 09, 2005, 06:22:47 pm »
Yes, The database shown fine (in jukebox itself and after a restart in config), even after the corrupt song (but I diddent play any song at yet, but when it show, they should work).

The shutdown should a least works by a one OS friedly mode (if somebody need to service the jukebox, and the poweroff is disabled). Here I really like a ESC is quit (just like a emulator and Arcade Music Box using).

I would see how memory was used in a smaller machines, that only have about 64 or 128mb ram. They may been very slow, due to hardrive memory swapping (and yes, my own seen only used about 32mb RAM).

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Re: My Very BETA Jukebox Software (Touchscreen, NOW With mp3+g support)
« Reply #278 on: November 09, 2005, 07:08:35 pm »
Barcrest -

When I use the 'Forward' button, the album covers scroll through just fine.  When I reach the last album, the program does not loop back to the beginning.  I gather it's not supposed to.

But when ever I use the 'Back' btton and reach the point where the first screen of album covers should be, the program blows up.  It says ...

Run Time Error 53
File not found:  '\Days Of Wine And Roses Front.jpg'

That is the correct name of the album that should show up on the bottom right corner.  It has no trouble displaying that album in that position at startup.  If I use 12 album cover mode, it again would fail with whatever album would occupy the lower right corner at start up when using the 'Back' button when trying to get back to the first screen.

I hope that's detailed enough.

I have the option set to use the first image found, and each directory has only one image file named in that fashion.

I've held off on reporting this, assuming others would.

Windows XP.

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« Reply #279 on: November 10, 2005, 05:27:52 am »
Barcrest -

When I use the 'Forward' button, the album covers scroll through just fine.
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