Author Topic: I think the buy\sell board should be restricted (Read 7145 times)

Hoagie_one · « **on:** May 03, 2005, 09:42:56 am »

I think posting to the buy\sell board should be restricted to people who have at least 20 posts. That way, it will reduce the one time spammers (hopefully) and the con artists who show up to sell ipods adn PSP's

Shape D. · « **Reply #1 on:** May 03, 2005, 10:06:42 am »

I wouldn't mind seeing it higher than 20 but I agree with you.

GGKoul · « **Reply #2 on:** May 03, 2005, 10:50:14 am »

Apparenty you can't limited someones access to a board based on post count.

monkeybomb · « **Reply #3 on:** May 03, 2005, 11:15:21 am »

If this isn't possible, Does anyone else have a suggestion on how to kill the newbie PSP/IPOD posts?

I think our best bet is to offer no replies whatsoever. Not even complaints. Or do the oppostite and flood the thread with non-offer banter.

Shape D. · « **Reply #4 on:** May 03, 2005, 11:49:30 am »

replying to it would just bump it up to the top. ignoring them sounds better to me but I say we patiently wait for saint or sirwoogie to respond with thier opinion.

tommy · « **Reply #5 on:** May 03, 2005, 12:57:33 pm »

In another site i visit you cant post on the B/S till 200 posts, its a good idea.

Shape D. · « **Reply #6 on:** May 03, 2005, 01:02:55 pm »

I don't even think it would need to be posting, just the ability to start a thread.

Goz · « **Reply #7 on:** May 03, 2005, 02:03:53 pm »

This is a feature in most board packages like VBB, etc. I'm sure there is likely a hack (add in module) that someone has coded to do this with SMF.

-Goz

APFelon · « **Reply #8 on:** May 03, 2005, 09:18:27 pm »

The same people who said "don't read posts that offend you" and "FREE SPEECH!" on the EE forum are now thinking of creative new ways to prohibit new people from the BST forum because they can't stand to see some hunyuk post an offer for an iPod.

Holy crap on a cracker, are you guys funny.

APf

sirwoogie · « **Reply #9 on:** May 03, 2005, 09:30:02 pm »

I don't mind that idea, it might catch the less determined spammer. I've implemented it. Not saying how many posts you need to post in there.

Hoopz · « **Reply #10 on:** May 03, 2005, 10:11:29 pm »

Having been a reader of the forums for a number of years now, I only recently created an account so that I could place several orders with Ponyboy.

quarterback · « **Reply #11 on:** May 03, 2005, 11:44:00 pm »

Quote from: HooPZ on May 03, 2005, 10:11:29 pm

To date, I have only been able to answer one or two questions based on my limited knowledge.

Kremmit · « **Reply #12 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:27:24 am »

Is this what got this thread locked? The guy offered to buy something, not sell a PSP.

Kremmit · « **Reply #13 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:31:49 am »

Yup, that one. Thanks, link fixed.

quarterback · « **Reply #14 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:32:41 am »

I was wondering the same thing. Perhaps a slightly retro-active locking of newbie-posted-threads in B/S/T?

monkeybomb · « **Reply #15 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:40:03 am »

Quote from: Kremmit on May 04, 2005, 12:27:24 am

Is this what got this thread locked? The guy offered to buy something, not sell a PSP.

WTF?

tmasman · « **Reply #16 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:50:50 am »

Quote from: monkeybomb on May 04, 2005, 12:40:03 am

Quote from: Kremmit on May 04, 2005, 12:27:24 am
Is this what got this thread locked? The guy offered to buy something, not sell a PSP.
WTF?

I just posted @ 10:57 to this thread...
The original poster has already tried unlocking the thread (he contacted me asking for help)... I get the notification saying that the thread is unlocked, but it's still locked...

<edit>
Never mind... It's unlocked now.

vib_ribbon · « **Reply #17 on:** May 04, 2005, 08:46:38 am »

i think this thread has answered my question as to why i can't reply on the buy/ sell thread... thank you. (i'm trying to post some photos of my arcade machine for the guys over there...)

Shape D. · « **Reply #18 on:** May 04, 2005, 10:22:42 am »

Quote from: HooPZ on May 03, 2005, 10:11:29 pm

Having been a reader of the forums for a number of years now, I only recently created an account so that I could place several orders with Ponyboy. To date, I have only been able to answer one or two questions based on my limited knowledge. I have read a great deal and learned quite a bit from everyone. I have learned what to do, what not to do, and what NOT to post. :-)

That, however, should not limit me to posting a request to buy (or sell) something in that forum. While I understand that the request was trying to eliminate one particulary foul type of post, if my post count is not high enough, I would be restricted from posting a request to purchase something.

I would agree that not answering a post is a much easier way to avoid the problem. But, I also know that some people chose to do it another way. I do not know if it is possible, but what about not allowing someone to post there for "X" amount of time after they create the account?

You may not be able to post in the BST forum but you can still send ponyboy or whomever you are interested in ordering stuff from a personal message. Thus you are still able to buy things from other members on this site but you aren't able to sell anything currently, wich is the point of what they are trying to do.

oh wait get this one: you can still do it, you just have to jump through a few HooPZ to do so.

sirwoogie · « **Reply #19 on:** May 04, 2005, 12:33:30 pm »

While I agree the determined user is going to pad their results, this will deter the typical automated system or casual spammer. If there is a way to abuse a system, someone determined will always find it. This coupled with the reporting function is sufficient for the volume we see.

We have also gone to great lengths to eliminate a pissing-for-distance contest for posts and their reflected value. As you can see, there really isn't a major class system here for general membership. We all think this promotes general fairness and puts everyone on an equal playing field. Anything else is a matter of self-control and passionate conversation.

Hoopz · « **Reply #20 on:** May 04, 2005, 03:17:32 pm »

Quote

oh wait get this one: you

lseelba · « **Reply #21 on:** May 08, 2005, 02:23:32 am »

This was not an awesome idea. I only joined this forum so that I could post in the Buy/Sell threads (NOT THE CONGA LINES). I guess I'll have to make a few posts until I can post where I want to again.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #22 on:** May 08, 2005, 11:56:05 am »

So you're essentially telling us that the process is working

Welcome to the boards. Take the guided tour, but DON'T tip your guide....it only encourages them to embellish things to make more money

AlanS17 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2005, 01:59:07 pm »

I don't see the problem with having a minimum post count so long as it isn't prohibitively high.

I like it when people have something neat to sell, but I'd like that person to have an understanding of what's going on and what we're trying to do here.

People just joining to post items for sale don't add anything to the forums. You can't take and take without ever giving. Selling doesn't count as giving in my book.

Arcadiac · « **Reply #24 on:** May 21, 2005, 12:54:59 am »

Consider this:

I am a member of a different board.
Another member posted 3 cabs for sale, very inexpensive but was having no luck selling them there.
The arcade cabs just didn't fit in over there.
I PM'd him and invited him to post in BST here, this was before the BST post limit.
Someone here got 3 cabs for a very good price and the seller evidently was satisfied too.
So by inviting him here, several people were helped out, the collector who wanted the cabs, the seller who needed the money, and me, frankly because I like to help out others when possible.
Now I know this isn't a perfect world, this could have gone terribly wrong on buyer or sellers part.
But as this is an Arcade related board, what's the problem with someone coming in simply to make a sale to the group that is most interested in the particular Arcade items the seller has?
Just another point of view based on experience here.

I think that the real fear is of someone here getting ripped off.
If that's the case, let's get serious about a BST dispute resolution process and/or a bad/banned traders list or at least a simple pos or neg references system integrated into the members profile.
Time and experience here doesn't always equal integrity or honesty.

Again just my opinion,
Respectfully, ARCADIAC!

sirwoogie · « **Reply #25 on:** May 21, 2005, 10:15:30 am »

The posting limit is not prohibitively high. I am not against any of the user scenarios for posting IN the forum. We're just trying to catch the casual abuser or automated system.

Damfino · « **Reply #26 on:** June 01, 2005, 01:24:12 pm »

Just what IS the required number of posts to be able to post in buy/sell/trade?

Like others, I registered to order some stuff from Ponyboy, and would have liked the ability to post something in the main thread as it appears that some of my PMs never made it (he never got my original order, for example, and hasn't responded to two follow-up ones. Since everyone has good things to say about him, I doubt it's just that he's ignoring me.)

It would be very helpful to have something on the BST page that says "you need X number of posts to be able to post here." Or at least, put a mention in the FAQ and/or one of the stickies in the main forum. The forum rules for BST should mention it, too.

Like others, I'm just getting started building my first cabinet (after thinking about it for years) so I don't have a lot to post at this point, to get my count up.

The other option is to get some of the big sellers in BST their own online store, then lurkers like me can keep lurking until we've got something worthwhile to contribute.

monkeybomb · « **Reply #27 on:** June 10, 2005, 04:35:30 pm »

It's great that the spam is gone, but now we get a constant flow "why can't I post there" questions. Here's my solution. We add a minimum post number to all forums and sub forums. Yep that would do it.

sirwoogie · « **Reply #28 on:** June 10, 2005, 05:20:32 pm »

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Here's my solution. We add a minimum post number to all forums and sub forums.

Enter sarcasm, nice to meet you. And imposing a limit to all boards would allow the members to hit the minimum how?

Perhaps I need to enhance the description of the B/S/T board.

AlanS17 · « **Reply #29 on:** June 10, 2005, 05:36:54 pm »

Maybe there's a way to require a minimum to start a thread but not to reply to threads? That would allow people to make requests for already-posted items.

As for someone joining just to post an item for sale, if they got refered then that refering person can help them out. If they're interested in being a contributing member of the board, though, let them work on their own post count.

On another note, I don't know what the minimum is now, but I think a minimum of 5 is enough to keep out automated systems and pyramid schemers.

sirwoogie · « **Reply #30 on:** June 10, 2005, 06:00:54 pm »

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Maybe there's a way to require a minimum to start a thread but not to reply to threads?

Sorry, that granularity isn't there. Otherwise, I would have enabled it in that fashion.

DrewKaree · « **Reply #31 on:** June 10, 2005, 06:45:25 pm »

I joined a forum where you HAD to register to post on the forums, and after registering for the forum, your membership wouldn't allow you to post for a period of one week after acceptance of your registrations. I see NO spam posts EVER on that forum, and the people who are there USUALLY spend the week's time reading up, so they've got far more information to use and generally post something along the lines of "I tried _____ after reading the board and waiting to be able to post, and that worked, but I'm having this issue with this....here's what I've done to get to this point, any ideas on what to try next?"

I'm not advocating the week-long waiting period, but I can testify to the effectiveness of it in fighting board spam, and it's an example to show you guys that this waiting period is FAR from draconian.

Dervacumen · « **Reply #32 on:** June 11, 2005, 07:36:47 pm »

Good day all,
I've been researching building my arcade cabinet for about a year and a half. After so much time under "analysis paralysis" I decided to register as a user so I could post a PM to a respected member to make my first purchase toward arcade heaven. Since I didn't get any response, I figured maybe I sould reply to the normal thread, but as evidenced here, measures were put in place to prevent me from doing so. I actually have plans for two cabinets. One is a strategy I haven't seen yet, so I had plans to post w/ pic on the Project Announcements page to lead everyone through it.
Unfortunately, since I can't post to the Buy / Sell board, I'll have to buy my parts elsewhere, which everyone here knows is much more expensive. So as time passes and I try to save up the extra cash while somehow justifying the increased expense to my significant other, I'll hope another anti-spam implementation is put in place.
Regards,
Dervacumen

DrewKaree · « **Reply #33 on:** June 11, 2005, 08:19:59 pm »

Quote from: Dervacumen on June 11, 2005, 07:36:47 pm

Good day all,
I've been researching building my arcade cabinet for about a year and a half. After so much time under "analysis paralysis" I decided to register as a user so I could post a PM to a respected member to make my first purchase toward arcade heaven. Since I didn't get any response, I figured maybe I sould reply to the normal thread, but as evidenced here, measures were put in place to prevent me from doing so. I actually have plans for two cabinets. One is a strategy I haven't seen yet, so I had plans to post w/ pic on the Project Announcements page to lead everyone through it.
Unfortunately, since I can't post to the Buy / Sell board, I'll have to buy my parts elsewhere, which everyone here knows is much more expensive. So as time passes and I try to save up the extra cash while somehow justifying the increased expense to my significant other, I'll hope another anti-spam implementation is put in place.
Regards,
Dervacumen

GIVE ME A BREAK!

You've become interested in doing this through "research" for "about a year and a half" and your SECOND act upon becoming a member here is to post in the B/S/T since you're looking to BUY something and your PM query has gone unanswered.....and you can't figure out a way around this?

Obviously your post was meant to foster "woe is me, perhaps we've erred too harshly on the side of avoidance" feelings, but your tale of excessive expenditures that will cause you all kinds of anguish don't wash. For someone who's done so many months of research on this, it seems highly implausible that you can't be troubled to post a comment, ask a few questions, give words of help to some who may not have your expertise in certain areas - something that contributes to the community and even further strengthens your "research". I call BS, and add that perhaps the "process" is doing a better job of screening than originally intended

knix · « **Reply #34 on:** June 12, 2005, 08:42:22 am »

I HAVE A POLE POSITION CAB THAT I CAN GET FOR FREE AND I CAN'T POST IN BST! This rule is pretty annoying. If anybody would like a free pole position Cab, no monitor. PLEASE PM ME!

Teknique · « **Reply #35 on:** June 12, 2005, 08:57:54 am »

This is a great rule, I dont even know what the post count is that you need, but it should be increased.

Samstag · « **Reply #36 on:** June 12, 2005, 10:05:03 am »

I'd like to point out that ponyboy joined so he could sell in BST.

That worked out pretty well, I think.

Dervacumen · « **Reply #37 on:** June 12, 2005, 10:35:27 am »

Teknique,

There are ways around everything but instead of gaming the system, I thought I'd give an example of the impact of the recent change. In my day job, I value the same kind of feedback from my users.

I'm a little confused why you thought this was a play for sympathy, but I'll bet you try to save money when you buy things, too.

You are ill informed about my financial situation and motivation, sir. Sorry you feel that way.

Regards,
Dervacumen

paigeoliver · « **Reply #38 on:** June 12, 2005, 03:38:50 pm »

If the person didn't answer your PM then posting in the thread wouldn't have helped. When I did my clearance sale friday I sold several items to someone with ZERO posts who simply PM'd me. It worked out fine and their items have already been shipped.

muffin man · « **Reply #39 on:** June 27, 2005, 12:52:28 am »

hey i just joined this site i am really impress about this restriction of postin in buying/selling that is really taught out good hehehehe.


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Author Topic: I think the buy\sell board should be restricted (Read 7145 times)

tommy