Science Fun <!!HIGH VOLTAGE WARNING!!>

[DYNAGOD]

WARNING THIS EXPERIMENT INVOLVES UTILIZING HIGH VOLTAGES!! DO NOT ATTMEPT IF YOU ARE NOT PROPERLY TRAINED TO DO SO

I cant think of a group of people who both love to tinker more and whom also have more old monitors laying around. so this should be a perfect match.. 

what we have here is a small device (or a large one if you wish) that is able to lift both itself and a load if desired using absolutely no moving parts or thrust...  the fact that there is not a single moving part and that this is achieved with nothing more than some thin strips of balsa wood, tin foil and a couple peices of copper wire is pretty amazing in my book.. the power can be provided from the flyback on an old monitor.


it is believed that these lifters operate using the Biefeld-Brown effect, though physics seems to disporove this and as a result there is no real solid explanation as to how/why they work.
they put out a hefty stream of ionized air thru the center of the lifter and it was believed at first that this was the actual lifting thrust, but the fact that these devices also work in a complete vacuum seems to prove that the ionized gas discharged is merely a byproduct of,and not the actual force involved in lifting the device.
you can also make motors, and other shapes and configurations that exploit this effect. but for the sake of learning the following links only apply to texbook lifters.

WARNING THIS EXPERIMENT INVOLVES UTILIZING HIGH VOLTAGES!! DO NOT ATTMEPT IF YOU ARE NOT PROPERLY TRAINED TO DO SO


A site loaded with people like you and i who have built sucessfull lifters. Great for getting your feet wet and fired up on building your own.
http://jlnlabs.imars.com/lifters/logbook/
http://jnaudin.free.fr/html/liftbldr.htm

a very simple construction how to
http://www.icestuff.com/~energy21/lftbld.htm

i think the people who run this site probobly wear tin foil hats at nite to keep aliens contracted by the bush administration from probing their minds, but it is undeniably however a great resource for lifter study. 

http://www.americanantigravity.com/lifters.shtml

here are some basic and very thorough instructions on how to assemble and test your own simple lifter

http://www.americanantigravity.com/Safety-Guidelines.pdf

http://www.americanantigravity.com/Construction-Guide.pdf

http://www.americanantigravity.com/Testing-Guide.pdf

http://www.americanantigravity.com/Tro
ubleshooting-Guide.pdf


enjoy and if you build one post it up!!

[Harry Potter]

Hmmmm. Now to put this to some use which civilisation can greatly benefit from.
Floating bar stool for the MAME machine?

[DYNAGOD]

label this project under "utterly useless,but infinetly fun"
 

[danny_galaga]

surely a stream of ionised gas would move it in a vacuum? isn't that simply action/reaction? how a regular rocket works, after all...

[abrannan]

surely a stream of ionised gas would move it in a vacuum? isn't that simply action/reaction? how a regular rocket works, after all...

Yes, but there's no gas source for this to use in a vacuum, unless it's vaporizing the materials that the craft is made out of.  The mad scientist in me cackles gleefully at this type of thing, but the skeptic in me smells something fishy going on.  Now if they built a fully self-contained unit ("portable" 30KV generator that is lifted by the lifter) that'd be something.

[DYNAGOD]

surely a stream of ionised gas would move it in a vacuum? isn't that simply action/reaction? how a regular rocket works, after all...

its definetly not science fiction or magic.. its just something which no one has taken the time to scientifically categorize.which of cource makes it mysterious and fun to the average joe blow like me.

thrust requires something to push against, which at least in my mind seems to indicate that it would be useless in a total vacuum.
even space isnt a true vacuum which is why vehicles in space can use propellent,ion discharge etc...
i did some further "research" into these devices and according to an interview in wired magazine, tests performed by nasa in a near vacuum failed to yield motion, but those tests also deprive the unit of some of its key operating elements, including air, which is used as the dielectric between the corona wire and the aluminum sheet.. so who knows..
its all for fun!

Now if they built a fully self-contained unit ("portable" 30KV generator that is lifted by the lifter) that'd be something.

indeed, the inability to produce enough thrust(if thats applicable) to carry its own power supply is indeed the tombstone of impractibility, but ive seen to pretty damn nice miniature HV DC power supplies out there with a stamp of about 1.5"  2" x .5" weighing in pretty damn light. but still the capacitors would be the killer.
 a disposable camera flash charging circuit is capable of discharing up to 10kv, and weighs well under a pound.but sadly its only pulsed, but could make it jump,completely self contained... so power supplies could some day be available with light enough components.
I dont see this becoming practical anytime soon , this is just mad science fun..
oooh and its dangerous too  always a plus

[danny_galaga]

abrannan- good point. didnt think of that.

dynagod- bad point. you're missing something basic about action/reaction i think...

[DYNAGOD]

abrannan- good point. didnt think of that.

dynagod- bad point. you're missing something basic about action/reaction i think...

that isnt all ive been missing let me tell ya