Modded X Box question...

[dema]

I had an interesting question about a modded Xbox. I bought a modded Xbox for my video cabinet for a whole bunch of money, because I wanted my arcade cabinet to have access to any game I want at any moment I want, without having to switch the games in and out. I thought it made a lot of sense for my arcade cabinet needs, but I've started to fall in love with the simplicity of keeping almost all of my 75 Xbox games on the hard drive, without needing to keep piles and piles of the cases near the unit. I like it so much I'd like to get another modded Xbox so I can use one in my cabinet and then use the other for everyday use and play. However, I don't want to get another modded Xbox because it's so expensive and I could mistakenly fire up Xbox live while the mod-chip is on. Here is my question...

Would it be possible for me to swap my modded Xbox's hard drive into the non-modded Xbox and have it work as a modded Xbox? I'm guessing it wouldn't be a problem, because all the software is already loaded onto the modded hard drive, so I wouldn't need a chip to install it on the non-modded Xbox. If I could swap the modded hard drive into the non-modded unit, I could have it act as a modded Xbox without paying for a modded unit. I could then buy a new 120 Gig hard drive and install it into the modded Xbox and go through the process once again. I could install all the necessary software to run as I currently have it and I'd then have two modded Xboxs, one really modded and the other thinking it was modded.

Is this possible?

[sarconus]

Dema, you do not need another hard drive or xbox to play a modded system on live. However, you do need a modchip that supports on and off switching through a jumper and you also must make sure that your xbox is has the original xboxdash.xbe installed on the c drive. You can still have the "other dashboard" installed on the c drive but you mod chip should search for that one on its own. Last but not least you must lock down  your hard drive to play on live. Without it being locked you wont be able to connect to live.

I have a modded box as well and i play on live all the time. Just simply turn off modchip put in the original game and go to town. I love my xbox (modded).

[dema]

Dema, you do not need another hard drive or xbox to play a modded system on live. However, you do need a modchip that supports on and off switching through a jumper and you also must make sure that your xbox is has the original xboxdash.xbe installed on the c drive. You can still have the "other dashboard" installed on the c drive but you mod chip should search for that one on its own. Last but not least you must lock down  your hard drive to play on live. Without it being locked you wont be able to connect to live.

I have a modded box as well and i play on live all the time. Just simply turn off modchip put in the original game and go to town. I love my xbox (modded).

I know you can play on live by simply switching the modchip to off, which I believe goes back to the original dashboard, but I'm asking about if it's possible to swap out the hard drive alone and have the unmodded Xbox run things like EvoX and DVD2Xbox, since they'll be on the hard drive already. This way I can dump my Xbox library onto an "altered" hard drive without needing to buy another modded Xbox. The reason I want to do this is because I have a very large game library and I'm running out of space to put them.

[Bgnome]

im pretty sure that you won't be able to use the "altered" hard drive without using a modified dashboard.  if this was possible, people would be making a lot more money out there selling HDs instead of modifying xboxes.

[dema]

im pretty sure that you won't be able to use the "altered" hard drive without using a modified dashboard.  if this was possible, people would be making a lot more money out there selling HDs instead of modifying xboxes.

Right. But if I install EvoX, wouldn't that be the modified dashboard?

[DYNAGOD]

you require a modchip to run that drive..as a cheaper alternative,you could softmod a second xbox and have access to the hardrive.. you would have to do a little button dancing,but its certainly cheaper..

[dema]

you require a modchip to run that drive..as a cheaper alternative,you could softmod a second xbox and have access to the hardrive.. you would have to do a little button dancing,but its certainly cheaper..

Is softmodding like what you do with the 007 and MechAssault hacks? I'm not familiar with the softmod method. And wouldn't that require me to swap out the hard drive as well?

[DYNAGOD]

maybe im confused as to what it is your trying to do..
what is it exaclty you want to accomplish?

the only way you are oging to get an unmodded xbox to play your backed up titles is to softmod it..

[DYNAGOD]

theres aslo the multidrive hack for xbox, you essentially hook up two,three, or more hardrives to the xbox and only provide power to the one you want to boot from via a switch, when you want to use another drive, you provide power to that drive etc etc...

[pointdablame]

Simple answer.... NO

What you want to do is not possible at all.  To be able to any software on an xbox other than the intended xbox dash, you need to have a modded system, whether that be a chip or a TSOP flash, etc.  An unmodded system will have the original BIOS on it, thus making it impossible to run any other programs.  I think you are misinterpreting the modding process.  The modchip/exploit is not done so that you can load things onto your hard drive, it is done so that your system can be flashed with another BIOS.  That BIOS allows you to alter the files on your hard drive, not the other way around.

If you put your hard drive into a non-modded system, it will (depending on your file structure) run the xbox dash and act as though no files are on the drive other than what should be, or it will just not boot up correctly at all.

Even if it does load the xbox dash, it will crash eventually, and you will not be able to run anything from the drive.  

You need to mod your system in some way to run the files on that hard drive... no way around it.

[DYNAGOD]

Simple answer.... NO

What you want to do is not possible at all.  To be able to any software on an xbox other than the intended xbox dash, you need to have a modded system, whether that be a chip or a TSOP flash, etc.  An unmodded system will have the original BIOS on it, thus making it impossible to run any other programs.

Not true...i run my xbox with stock bios but still enjoy all the fruits of a fully modded system....

all you would need to do is take any unmodded xbox
load up the 007 hack so you can ftp the box,use ftp access and load up the audio exploit..

voila you have a modded xbox..

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now whenever you want to run your xbox from the evo dash,go to your soundtracks and load up the hacked audio track and you can do anything any mod chip can do..

but if space is your only concern , i recomend simply multidriving.. cheaper than a second xbox..

[dema]

Simple answer.... NO

What you want to do is not possible at all.  To be able to any software on an xbox other than the intended xbox dash, you need to have a modded system, whether that be a chip or a TSOP flash, etc.  An unmodded system will have the original BIOS on it, thus making it impossible to run any other programs.

Not true...i run my xbox with stock bios but still enjoy all the fruits of a fully modded system....

all you would need to do is take any unmodded xbox
load up the 007 hack so you can ftp the box,use ftp access and load up the audio exploit..

voila you have a modded xbox..

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now whenever you want to run your xbox from the evo dash,go to your soundtracks and load up the hacked audio track and you can do anything any mod chip can do..

but if space is your only concern , i recomend simply multidriving.. cheaper than a second xbox..

Right. That exploit in 007 and Mechwarrior allow you to hack the Xbox without a modchip. But isn't what that's doing simply allowing you to alter the hard drive?

FTPing is necessary in order to get the information onto the hard drive and transfer files back and forth, but the only item that is affected is the hard drive. If I swap out a fully modded hard drive with all my files, my new dashboard, my directorty, etc. from my modded Xbox and put it into the new Xbox then it would read that hard drive with all the modiified BIOS and settings (and games) as if it were modded already, wouldn't it?

I'd say my computer knowledge is only a 5, so I may be completely wrong about this.  I was thinking of doing the 007 or mechwarrior exploit, but the mod would leave me with an 8 gig hard drive that I can monkey with, which isn't enough for what I want to do.

Maybe I'm way off base, but it seemed to make sense to me.

[pointdablame]

An exploit is still not a stock system though, that's the point I was trying to make.  I said softmod when I suppose I should have said exploit as well, but my point was you cannot just put that drive in a stock xbox.

[DYNAGOD]

agreed, it just wont work..
 

[Dave_K.]

Um...I'm still just a newbie at this xbox modding, but the discussion here seems steeped in symantic debate rather than anwering Dema's real question.  Why is it that DynaGod can run unsigned code on an xbox with standard bios (using audio exploit) and Dema can't on his new HD if he also uses standard xbox dash on C with audio exploit and apps in E or F (or whatever the standard bios will allow)?

[pointdablame]

Um...I'm still just a newbie at this xbox modding, but the discussion here seems steeped in symantic debate rather than anwering Dema's real question.  Why is it that DynaGod can run unsigned code on an xbox with standard bios (using audio exploit) and Dema can't on his new HD if he also uses standard xbox dash on C with audio exploit and apps in E or F (or whatever the standard bios will allow)?

He CAN run it assuming he uses the audio exploit like Dynagod does.  Dema's original question asked if he could put the hard drive from a modded system to a stock system... that you CANNOT do.  He would need to use the exploit, softmod, or chip the system to use the files on that drive.

The comments here aren't really semantics.... its clarification.  In general, I stated that you can't use that hard drive unless your system is "modded."  The exploit does not "mod" your system persay, yet it changes your system into a not-quite-stock xbox, which DynaGod mentioned, and I tried to clarify my original comment.

Basically, Dema has to do SOMETHING to his xbox to get this drive to work... audio exploit, TSOP flash, chip, whatever... but he can't just drop the drive in the box and have it work.

[clanggedin]

The only way he can drop in the hard drive and have it work is if he has the softmod installed on the hard drive before it is installed.

[Dave_K.]

The only way he can drop in the hard drive and have it work is if he has the softmod installed on the hard drive before it is installed.

Bingo!

[pointdablame]

But he has a modchip on his modded system... why would he softmod it.... that was my point.

[dema]

Thank you all for your help. I really appreciate you taking the time to answer my question. I'll work on softmodding my system so I can have the functionaliity I'm looking for while at the same time saving money.

[dema]

If you were to softmod your Xbox using the 007 exploit, and then swap a bigger hard drive in the Xbox, what is the deal with Xbox Live? I know a modded Xbox needs to have the modchip turned off when playing Live, but what happens with  a softmodded Xbox? Are you able to play Live without being detected?

[Dave_K.]

Ok, you aren't saying exactly which softmod you are loading via 007 exploit (you could load the audio exploit or flash your bios).  I'm not sure about the audio exploit, but if you flash your bios you cannot use xbox live from then on (unless you flash it back to original bios and play with original DVD game).

I've herd some people say you can play live with a flashed bios on v1 xbox by installing a switch on the motherboard to disconnect the write enabled tsop.  Not definately sure about this one.

Anyway, the more appropriate place to ask these questions is on xbox-scene.com.   They have loads of newbie tutorials and guides that you should read first.

[dema]

Ok, you aren't saying exactly which softmod you are loading via 007 exploit (you could load the audio exploit or flash your bios).  I'm not sure about the audio exploit, but if you flash your bios you cannot use xbox live from then on (unless you flash it back to original bios and play with original DVD game).

I've herd some people say you can play live with a flashed bios on v1 xbox by installing a switch on the motherboard to disconnect the write enabled tsop.  Not definately sure about this one.

Anyway, the more appropriate place to ask these questions is on xbox-scene.com.   They have loads of newbie tutorials and guides that you should read first.

Thanks for your help. I spent a while on Xbox-Scene but it took so long to get the answers I was looking for I figured I'd ask here where it wasn't as messy. I appreciate your help though.

[SOAPboy]

didnt read the whole thread..

But..

If you have the stock HD, and the modded HD, and you did soft mods to the mod hd, you can put the stock one in for live use..  and the modded for non live use..