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Rotary joystick/spinner with push/pull option
KenToad:
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--- Quote from: negative1 on March 14, 2023, 04:47:19 pm ---GRS glens retro show, is working on a spinner joystick,
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From the videos, it looks like this is a "non-clicky" version similar to the Happ optical rotary sticks. :(
Scott
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Yeah, it looks analog. Glen posted on FB trying to drum up support to get Mame "fixed" so it would work properly with this device. He even claimed that this was a longstanding issue with Mame, which I assume to the old issue that's long-since fixed. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for this product working with Ikari or any of the other digital rotary games he claims to be testing.
Still, it might be an interesting way to play Forgotten Worlds and Eco Fighters and of course it should work well for Cal 50 and the other analog rotary stick games you mentioned earlier in the thread.
PL1:
--- Quote from: KenToad on March 15, 2023, 01:04:42 am ---Glen posted on FB trying to drum up support to get Mame "fixed" so it would work properly with this device. He even claimed that this was a longstanding issue with Mame, which I assume to the old issue that's long-since fixed. It doesn't give me a lot of hope for this product working with Ikari or any of the other digital rotary games he claims to be testing.
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Glen might have forgotten to adjust some settings in MAME.
- Not sure what the proper settings are for an optical rotary joystick. :dunno
http://wiki.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/Joysticks#MAME_Settings_for_Mechanical_Rotary_Joysticks
--- Quote ---MAME Settings for Mechanical Rotary Joysticks
For mechanical rotary games:
"Input (this Game)" menu
Positional Analog to none
"Analog Controls" menu
Positional Digital Speed = 0
Positional Sensitivity = 100
For optical rotary games:
"Input (this Game)" menu
Dial Analog to none
"Analog Controls" menu
Dial Digital Speed = double the default value
Dial Sensitivity = default value
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Scott
KenToad:
Personally, I think he's working off bad information, which has proliferated with the boom in Raspberry Pi users running preconfigured, outdated versions of emulators. Scott, I feel like you're one of the few people that can reliably direct people to correct, updated information about something like the Mame project and the way certain things like analog rotary controls were mishandled by Mame devs for years. And it is ridiculous that we have to jump through settings hoops to get basic digital controls working in super-popular games like Ikari Warriors. I mean, come on, it should be normal button mapping at this point. Personally, I think the games are easier and more fun to play with a simple button configuration like this:
*Edit* I see Scott already posted this earlier. Sorry.
rotate counter-clockwise | fire | rotate clockwise
grenade | nothing | nothing
use your middle finger to fire and pointer and ring finger to rotate, thumb for grenades.
I remember being impressed by SNK's Ikari rotary joysticks in the 80's. They were a huge improvement over games like Frontline with it's pushbutton rotary spinner controls, but rotary joysticks are a nostalgia fix at this point and not the best way to play. Even using shoulder buttons on a controller to rotate would be better than forcing you to move and rotate with the same joystick, at least for me.
haynor666:
--- Quote from: negative1 on March 14, 2023, 04:47:19 pm ---GRS glens retro show, is working on a spinner joystick,
but its still in testing.
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Thanks for for info. I'm looking for Ikari style joystick for years. I hope it can be used the same way as typical SNK rotary joystick with mechanical restriction or something like that. U360 failed to do this correctly.
From I can see this does not work so far well in Ikari Warriors (no restriction and too sensitive) but I hope this will solved. After all far more games in MAME are using mechanical rotation (Ikari Warriors, Midnight Resistance) than optical one (Caliber Fifty). Please note that I'm not counting games like Forgotten Worlds or Eco Fighter because these games are designed for pull spinner.
haynor666:
Another 3 months and sadly joystick seems to be still not available :/