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| Zebra:
I've been testing the Sega arcade guns with the Dolphin (Wii) emulator this week. Playing Ghost Squad with the same gun set-up as the original coin-op is pure magic: I have to say, I'm very impressed with the Dolphin emulator. I'm not usually a fan of emulators of later systems as the experience is often incomplete. Not so with Dolphin. It performs really well and it's Wii remote emulation offers close to 100% functionality. For gun games this means that, unlike mame, their calibration function actually works. The net result is that I think Dolphin is the best way to play certain shooters aside from putting the original cabs in your house. It works noticeably better than model 2, model 3, Demul and CXBX emulators or even Windows CD roms for games like: - House of the Dead 2 - House of the Dead 3 - Ghost Squad - Target Terror - LA Machine Guns - Gunblade NY I was so impressed that I just ordered a real arcade Ghost Squad gun to play that game as Arcade-God intended. It's so much better than playing with a Wii remote. |
| Zebra:
A little House of the Dead 3 action with the Sega guns. It looks and plays so much better on Dolphin than the PC CD rom version: You have to point away from the screen to reload but if I wire the screen-out button from the gun sense board to the pump handle on a HOD3 arcade shotgun, I'd be able to reload like the real arcade. I believe this is the best and most arcade-accurate way to play HOD3 at home aside from buying a Chihiro set-up. Unless, anyone here knows of a better way? Same for HOD2 taking into account the emulation performance and control options. |
| Zebra:
I picked up this Ghost Squad arcade recoil gun for the Sega type 2 set-up. Playing Ghost Squad in Dolphin with the right gun is just better! I found a new and simpler way of hooking up the recoil solenoid too. Instead of using two PSUs with a relay trigger or mosfet, I used one of the led output pins on my UHID. In the UHID set-up software, it allows you to allocate any of the pins to be an output and then select how it's activated from a drop-down menu. I.e. You can make it output 5v in response to a button press, turn off in response or just output 5v all the time. The output can be regular or pulsed (for flashing lights) too. In my case, I allocated pin 8 (of 54) to output 5v when I pull the trigger. That 5v activates an NE555 signal generator which activates a solid state relay with 24v going to the solenoid. This was me testing the UHID outputs. As the UHID has a pulse option, I could probably lose the NE555 board. I have more experimenting to do. The UHID also has the option of activating outputs with PC controlled software like mame hooker or LED blinky but that's s project for another day. I also picked up this box of parts for $70 off ebay. Turned out to be two complete Virtua Cop 3 guns (which are Sega type 2) and this complete analog stick from a Panzer Elite tank game cab: I call that a good shopping week! |
| 2huwman:
--- Quote from: Zebra on February 08, 2020, 05:45:35 pm ---A little House of the Dead 3 action with the Sega guns. It looks and plays so much better on Dolphin than the PC CD rom version: You have to point away from the screen to reload but if I wire the screen-out button from the gun sense board to the pump handle on a HOD3 arcade shotgun, I'd be able to reload like the real arcade. I believe this is the best and most arcade-accurate way to play HOD3 at home aside from buying a Chihiro set-up. Unless, anyone here knows of a better way? Same for HOD2 taking into account the emulation performance and control options. --- End quote --- That looks nice, but wouldn't playing HotD3 on an original Xbox with a CRT light gun be more arcade accurate? The original Xbox and chihiro are basically the same hardware. Same would apply for hotd2 on the Dreamcast, as that's very similar to the Naomi hardware. Have you noticed much lag with dolphin? |
| Zebra:
--- Quote from: 2huwman on February 18, 2020, 01:09:35 pm --- --- Quote from: Zebra on February 08, 2020, 05:45:35 pm ---A little House of the Dead 3 action with the Sega guns. It looks and plays so much better on Dolphin than the PC CD rom version: You have to point away from the screen to reload but if I wire the screen-out button from the gun sense board to the pump handle on a HOD3 arcade shotgun, I'd be able to reload like the real arcade. I believe this is the best and most arcade-accurate way to play HOD3 at home aside from buying a Chihiro set-up. Unless, anyone here knows of a better way? Same for HOD2 taking into account the emulation performance and control options. --- End quote --- That looks nice, but wouldn't playing HotD3 on an original Xbox with a CRT light gun be more arcade accurate? The original Xbox and chihiro are basically the same hardware. Same would apply for hotd2 on the Dreamcast, as that's very similar to the Naomi hardware. Have you noticed much lag with dolphin? --- End quote --- The Chihiro arcade of HOD3 and HOD2 on Naomi didn't use a real light gun. They both used Sega type 2 guns which don't flash when you pull the trigger. I asked myself the same question about which would be more arcade-accurate as an experience. I'm not sure there is a right answer. My view is that it's the gun controller that makes or breaks the experience. I like to use the same gun tech as the cab. I have a Dreamcast. There are no good light guns for the system. Even the official Sega one sucks. Everything else becomes irrelevant if you don't have an accurate gun. It'll never feel like the arcade. The original Xbox is nice hardware and has a great port of HOD3 with decent light guns. You can also mod it to play Virtua Cop 3 and the Chihiro version of Ghost Squad. I'm tempted but if I was going to spend $400+ to play those games, I'd invest in a real Chihiro multi. As for emulators, I've always found Naomi games on Demul to be problematic. I'm not sure if it's my hardware but nothing ever seems to run very well. The Xbox emulator is barely functional. Dolphin is one of the best emulators for later systems that I've used. It makes proper use of a gpu so 3d games run properly even on fairly modest hardware. It has great options for both native res and upscaled output for HD screens. It's controls emulation is significantly better and more functional than Mame. You can actually calibrate a gun properly and it works. I have a real Wii and Ghost Squad. It feels more responsive in Dolphin with the real Sega arcade guns. Hod 3 is a near perfect Port on the Wii aside from some minor textures. It runs well in Dolphin and with the real Sega arcade guns, it feels as close to the coin-op as you can get without buying the cab. I have the PC CD rom version of HOD3. It looks and plays a lot better in Dolphin. That's not to say that all shooters are good in Dolphin. Mad Dog Mccree sucks on a real Wii so it still sucks in Dolphin. Same with Target Terror. Gunblade works better than in the Model 2 emulator but still not great. I should also add that I've only used Dolphin in 480p on a crt monitor. I have no view on how it performs if you upscale the output for HD flatscreens. |
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