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| Zebra:
There is no copyright laws protecting light guns or solenoids. A lot of arcade light gun cabs have the guns replaced with Happ or Betson light guns as the tech is generic. Any decent arcade owner would be capable of switching out the light guns to replace old expensive oem guns with new generic ones. I am no expert on Japanese law but I would be very surprised if there was any law that prevented arcade owners selling old cabs and parts they no longer use to whoever they like. There is also no reason why manufacturers would be protective of gun hardware but not their PCBs. I think you've been misinformed. If an arcade owner sells or breaks a pcb, they will part out the rest of the cab and sell parts to whoever. It's always been that way, even when arcades were at their peak in the 80's and 90's. If I put a search in Google, in English, for "used arcade parts Tokyo Japan", I get multiple results for stores selling used arcade parts.... https://www.google.com/search?q=used%20arcade%20parts%20tokyo%20japan&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS844US844&oq=used+arcade+parts+tokyo+japan&aqs=chrome..69i57.11966j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=35700934,139771333,185&tbm=lcl&rldimm=1791196374969552662&phdesc=8DEOZzsG28M&ved=2ahUKEwi457fwqMXlAhUFj1kKHR6ZDUIQvS4wAnoECAoQOQ&rldoc=1&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:10&rlst=f#rlfi=hd:;si:7617596130752392823,y,pC1rO5bV5SY;mv:[[35.713045099999995,139.776682],[35.5164013,139.68927209999998]] |
| JayBee:
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 30, 2019, 09:02:16 pm ---There is no copyright laws protecting light guns or solenoids. A lot of arcade light gun cabs have the guns replaced with Happ or Betson light guns as the tech is generic. Any decent arcade owner would be capable of switching out the light guns to replace old expensive oem guns with new generic ones. I am no expert on Japanese law but I would be very surprised if there was any law that prevented arcade owners selling old cabs and parts they no longer use to whoever they like. There is also no reason why manufacturers would be protective of gun hardware but not their PCBs. I think you've been misinformed. If an arcade owner sells or breaks a pcb, they will part out the rest of the cab and sell parts to whoever. It's always been that way, even when arcades were at their peak in the 80's and 90's. If I put a search in Google, in English, for "used arcade parts Tokyo Japan", I get multiple results for stores selling used arcade parts.... https://www.google.com/search?q=used%20arcade%20parts%20tokyo%20japan&rlz=1C1SQJL_enUS844US844&oq=used+arcade+parts+tokyo+japan&aqs=chrome..69i57.11966j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&safe=off&npsic=0&rflfq=1&rlha=0&rllag=35700934,139771333,185&tbm=lcl&rldimm=1791196374969552662&phdesc=8DEOZzsG28M&ved=2ahUKEwi457fwqMXlAhUFj1kKHR6ZDUIQvS4wAnoECAoQOQ&rldoc=1&tbs=lrf:!2m1!1e2!2m1!1e3!3sIAE,lf:1,lf_ui:10&rlst=f#rlfi=hd:;si:7617596130752392823,y,pC1rO5bV5SY;mv:[[35.713045099999995,139.776682],[35.5164013,139.68927209999998]] --- End quote --- I know those shops very well, I've been to each of them many times. Out of the shop your search shows, only one (BEEP) actually sells some arcade part (but very few), and of course no lightgun parts. They are all consumer retrogame shops, not arcade part shop (which are two different things). For info, the 2 biggest arcade parts shop in town (for both consumers and professionals) are: Mak Japan http://www.mak-jp.com/ Tops https://www.tops-game.jp In those you might be able to buy full lightgun cabinets, but no parts. You can also find most official store of each arcade parts brand in Rakuten online (Sanwa, Seimitsu...). I've been living here for 10+ years, been to thousands of retrogame/arcade/electronic shops all over Tokyo. I even know the more obscure ones that sell chinese/US parts or cheaper used parts. Believe me or not it's up to you, just saying in japan as a consumer you can't easily get any proprietary tech like lightgun gun parts. There are compatible tech made by other brands outside of japan. Not here. The only reason you can get arcade motherboards is because it's not fully proprietary, most use and have to comply to the JAMMA standard. Same for arcade sticks, that use kind of standardized buttons, connectors and sticks. No matter if it's a law or not, it's the general practice to support your own product as long as it sells and make money, even 20 years later. (just look at nintendo that only recently drop the support of their famicom) And when the support is still active, doing your own support for those products, especially with cheaper alternative, is a big no no. I've never ever seen a lightgun arcade machine with unofficial parts here. And yes, all that applies only to japan. But again, you are welcome to prove me wrong, and find a Japanese store that actually sell those parts. I would honestly prefer being wrong than struggling so much to find good parts. |
| Zebra:
The existence of stores just shows that a consumer arcade market exists and that there is somewhere for those stores to buy parts for the cabs they refurbish. I.e. it’s not an impossible quest. A lot of the old arcade companies aren’t even in business anymore or no longer make arcade games so they won’t be supporting their products, or any other. Owners of retro arcades must have somewhere to buy replacement parts and trade with each other. You are better placed to find it than me. There are plenty of arcades closing down in Japan too. I’d want to find out where all those cabs go to die and maybe make a trip to one of those arcade graveyards. Old Time Crisis cabs don’t evaporate and most are no longer in arcades, so they must be somewhere. These are old products now from the crt era. I’m not sure I could find a retail store that sells light guns here either. When I want stuff like that, I search the internet, regularly check eBay for a deal and put wanted ads on Craigslist and sites like this. It sometimes takes a while but I usually find what I’m looking for eventually. It’s a global world and a global internet. Most of the resources available to me are available to you too. Solenoids and light gun shells are small enough to ship at affordable prices from most countries. You’ll find one eventually. Did you look at that avenger pro recoil gun I sent you the link for? I haven’t used that particular model myself so I don’t know if the recoil mechanism uses a motor or solenoid but it looks the part in this video and is cheap enough to take a chance on maybe: |
| Mysli0210:
Sooooo.... after doing a tiny bit of research... i found out that the nintendo Switch has got a pretty sweet ir camera. It apparently outputs an actual image through SPI. and not i2c as the wiimote does. https://www.techinsights.com/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown The reason i got entrigued, was the fact that you can buy the camera seperately for about half the price of the DFRobot cam. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32933494037.html Surely i dont have the skill to program something to actually process the image data, but i was thinking that you'd probably be able to track the heat of the screen itself. Another way you could probably make some sweet lightguns would be from the switch joycon itself. using Joy-con toolkit https://gbatemp.net/threads/tool-joy-con-toolkit.478560/ This could make it possible to have them running via bluetooth. I am aware that the wiimote does aswell, though it certainly is larger. BTW im not trying to make a point or anything, just sharing what i found interesting. Also, i just bought another Konami hyper blaster in darkblue, so i have 2 for my homebuilt arcade. which i will design a pcb to mount the wiimote camera, will probably share it on github when im done. This will be a replacement for the DFRobot camera as mentioned before. |
| JayBee:
--- Quote from: Zebra on October 31, 2019, 01:51:03 pm ---The existence of stores just shows that a consumer arcade market exists and that there is somewhere for those stores to buy parts for the cabs they refurbish. I.e. it’s not an impossible quest. A lot of the old arcade companies aren’t even in business anymore or no longer make arcade games so they won’t be supporting their products, or any other. Owners of retro arcades must have somewhere to buy replacement parts and trade with each other. You are better placed to find it than me. There are plenty of arcades closing down in Japan too. I’d want to find out where all those cabs go to die and maybe make a trip to one of those arcade graveyards. Old Time Crisis cabs don’t evaporate and most are no longer in arcades, so they must be somewhere. These are old products now from the crt era. I’m not sure I could find a retail store that sells light guns here either. When I want stuff like that, I search the internet, regularly check eBay for a deal and put wanted ads on Craigslist and sites like this. It sometimes takes a while but I usually find what I’m looking for eventually. It’s a global world and a global internet. Most of the resources available to me are available to you too. Solenoids and light gun shells are small enough to ship at affordable prices from most countries. You’ll find one eventually. Did you look at that avenger pro recoil gun I sent you the link for? I haven’t used that particular model myself so I don’t know if the recoil mechanism uses a motor or solenoid but it looks the part in this video and is cheap enough to take a chance on maybe: --- End quote --- Not saying this market doesn't exist, far from it. Just saying that for different reasons they don't sell lightguns. If you need a proof, just compare the result you get in eBay when searching for lightgun, and the results you get when searching (in Japanese) on Yahoo auction (equivalent to eBay here). eBay has waaaayyy more options and models available. But whatever, let's not fight about that, I am grateful you showed me the eBay stuff and the right solenoids I should try ;) I just bought the silver avenger pro from the link you sent me earlier. It seems cool since it has both PSX and Saturn compatibility. I will tell you how it is once I receive it. --- Quote from: Mysli0210 on October 31, 2019, 07:27:43 pm ---Sooooo.... after doing a tiny bit of research... i found out that the nintendo Switch has got a pretty sweet ir camera. It apparently outputs an actual image through SPI. and not i2c as the wiimote does. https://www.techinsights.com/blog/nintendo-switch-teardown The reason i got entrigued, was the fact that you can buy the camera seperately for about half the price of the DFRobot cam. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32933494037.html Surely i dont have the skill to program something to actually process the image data, but i was thinking that you'd probably be able to track the heat of the screen itself. Another way you could probably make some sweet lightguns would be from the switch joycon itself. using Joy-con toolkit https://gbatemp.net/threads/tool-joy-con-toolkit.478560/ This could make it possible to have them running via bluetooth. I am aware that the wiimote does aswell, though it certainly is larger. BTW im not trying to make a point or anything, just sharing what i found interesting. Also, i just bought another Konami hyper blaster in darkblue, so i have 2 for my homebuilt arcade. which i will design a pcb to mount the wiimote camera, will probably share it on github when im done. This will be a replacement for the DFRobot camera as mentioned before. --- End quote --- Dude that's very interesting research you are doing there :lol Do you know how long is the joycon IR cam range is? I thought that it's only for close range use, but I don't know. Actually the main reason why I stick with the DFRobot cam is that it's capable to keep track of the 4 points very well, meaning that as long as each of them stay in range, they keep the same position in the buffer. It makes everything way easier, faster and stable to use, since I have to figure out which point they are only once each time they are detected. |
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