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Howard_Casto:
I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm with Zebra on this one.... you can find cheap parts anywhere... in some areas of the globe it might take a lot of effort to do so, but Japan.... nah.

JayBee:

--- Quote from: Zebra on October 29, 2019, 01:11:41 pm ---
That's why I gave you a link to someone selling one with cheap international shipping. Just because you looked once and found one that was expensive, it doesn't mean they all are. But I get it, you can't afford one. No matter what the price.

On the continuous duty solenoid, as I said, search eBay for "pull solenoid continuous" and you'll see there are lots of options:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=m570.l1313&_nkw=Pull+solenoid+continuous&_sacat=0&LH_TitleDesc=0&_osacat=0&_odkw=Guncon

Or don't. Whatever.

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Oh I see! My bad, I guess I didn't search well enough ::)
I will check that then and see what I can get.
Just in case, do you know what are those gun solenoids specs (voltage, current...)?

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on October 29, 2019, 01:55:25 pm ---I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm with Zebra on this one.... you can find cheap parts anywhere... in some areas of the globe it might take a lot of effort to do so, but Japan.... nah.

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If you know any shop (local or online) that sell this kind of part in Japan, I am very curious to know ;)

Here are the info I could get after all the search I did in Japan, including asking to so many retro shops in Akihabara or other places, and asking the arcade centers themselves:
There were no consumer lightgun with recoil, or too rare to be found at a correct price.
For the real arcade stuff, there are no consumer shop selling lightgun parts (they only sell arcade sticks and machines).
From what the guys in the arcade centers told me, those guns are bought and maintained directly by the brand making them, and are not available to consumers.
But of course, again, it's possible that I missed something, if that's the case please correct me ;)

Zebra:
I'm sure there are large arcades with machines that are owned by the brand but that won't be the case with a lot of smaller arcades running older games that Namco and Sega etc no longer support.

These old arcade cabs are getting thrown in dumpsters in Japan, just like they are here in the States and in Europe. Seeing stuff like this breaks my heart:

They don't even attempt to find a home for all those candy cabs that we sell our kidneys to get here. The solenoids in those gun survivor 2 guns they were throwing away are excellent BTW.

They used to maintain a list of Japanese arcade PCB stores over on the shmups forum which shows there are plenty of places for consumers to buy old arcade parts there. My ability to search them was always limited by my lack of Japanese language skills though.

As a general point, all those 3rd party ps1 and PS2 recoil guns were made in Asia. A lot of the ones here were originally ordered online from stores in Hong Kong like Play Asia. I am positive that the same stores we buy from in HK and mainland China would also have shipped to Japan. I wouldn't assume there are none to be found locally.

People travel to Japan from all over the world to buy video games and peripherals. We think of it as a video game Mecca. You guys have lots of stuff we've never even seen (like the original Famicom recoil machine gun). I'd keep an eye on local video game stores who sell older used consoles.

Also, Suzo Happ, one of the two large arcade parts suppliers here, have a store in Hong Kong to support customers across Asia. There is also another store in HK called Happ that sells arcade parts but they have nothing to do with each other.

These guys (also in HK) can often get used arcade parts. Ask them if they can track you down a cheap Time Crisis solenoid replacement. The Chinese knock-off Time Crisis guns are usually a lot cheaper and have a stronger solenoid.

https://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/shooting_parts.html

Solenoid specs like voltage and amps won't help. Most arcade solenoids use 12v or 24v PSUs but so do a bunch of momentary solenoids that are not suitable for continuous duty. I would use the largest continuous duty tubular solenoid you can fit in your shell. The power supply only matters in terms of matching it to the specific solenoids ratings.

JayBee:

--- Quote from: Zebra on October 30, 2019, 12:51:26 pm ---I'm sure there are large arcades with machines that are owned by the brand but that won't be the case with a lot of smaller arcades running older games that Namco and Sega etc no longer support.

These old arcade cabs are getting thrown in dumpsters in Japan, just like they are here in the States and in Europe. Seeing stuff like this breaks my heart:

They don't even attempt to find a home for all those candy cabs that we sell our kidneys to get here. The solenoids in those gun survivor 2 guns they were throwing away are excellent BTW.

They used to maintain a list of Japanese arcade PCB stores over on the shmups forum which shows there are plenty of places for consumers to buy old arcade parts there. My ability to search them was always limited by my lack of Japanese language skills though.

As a general point, all those 3rd party ps1 and PS2 recoil guns were made in Asia. A lot of the ones here were originally ordered online from stores in Hong Kong like Play Asia. I am positive that the same stores we buy from in HK and mainland China would also have shipped to Japan. I wouldn't assume there are none to be found locally.

People travel to Japan from all over the world to buy video games and peripherals. We think of it as a video game Mecca. You guys have lots of stuff we've never even seen (like the original Famicom recoil machine gun). I'd keep an eye on local video game stores who sell older used consoles.

Also, Suzo Happ, one of the two large arcade parts suppliers here, have a store in Hong Kong to support customers across Asia. There is also another store in HK called Happ that sells arcade parts but they have nothing to do with each other.

These guys (also in HK) can often get used arcade parts. Ask them if they can track you down a cheap Time Crisis solenoid replacement. The Chinese knock-off Time Crisis guns are usually a lot cheaper and have a stronger solenoid.

https://www.arcadespareparts.com/arcade_parts/shooting_parts.html

Solenoid specs like voltage and amps won't help. Most arcade solenoids use 12v or 24v PSUs but so do a bunch of momentary solenoids that are not suitable for continuous duty. I would use the largest continuous duty tubular solenoid you can fit in your shell. The power supply only matters in terms of matching it to the specific solenoids ratings.

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That's a lot of info, thanks! :D
Actually the problem in japan is that companies are overly protective of their own brand and products, even 20years old products, and don't allow other companies to sell part for their products. They still continue to support them, it's still a real business here. For arcade boards it's a little different because they use some standard like jamma supposed to make them compatible with everything, and so be used/bought and installed by anyone. Which is not the case for lightgun cabinet that are fully patented by the brand.
I'm working for big game companies, it always shock me to see how overprotective they are with their products and the way they make money with them.

That's why you have more chance to find stuff in China, were the laws on copyright and all are pretty much absent.

For the lightgun search, I spent two weeks searching in so many locals or more specialised shop everywhere, in the popular places as well as obscure places, I could only find the usual cheap guncon/Virtua gun. When I asked the seller, they told me to contact the brands directly.

So yeah maybe I will try check the Chinese route.

pbj:

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