Arcade Collecting > Arcade1Up & Similar
Could the Arcade 1up thing have been succesful if handled differently?
Zebra:
--- Quote from: Mike A on February 26, 2019, 11:41:37 am ---Companies do not consider it a success if they can jam retailers with a ton of units. Getting the final product into the hands of consumers at the right price is what matters. If retailers get hosed because they have to heavily discount a product they will not likely make that mistake again. WalMart will demand lower pricing next time, or scale back orders, or pass completely. It all depends on how much money is being made or lost.
The price drops affect Tastemakers. It damages their ability to get the price they want for their products in the future.
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Exactly right.
Business success is based on long term sustainable profitability with continuous growth.
It may be too early for anyone to declare absolute success or failiure but we can make early observations based on discounting and excess stock etc.
Maybe they will take what they learned from round 1 and general feedback to make a better and more desirable product for phase 2. I'm not hopeful though, unless they aim higher.
leapinlew:
--- Quote from: Zebra on February 26, 2019, 04:42:52 pm ---It may be too early for anyone to declare absolute success or failiure but we can make early observations based on discounting and excess stock etc.
Maybe they will take what they learned from round 1 and general feedback to make a better and more desirable product for phase 2. I'm not hopeful though, unless they aim higher.
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You didn't seem to have a problem declaring it wasn't successful.
I don't want to try to defend them as a success or failure. I will say the target audience for these isn't the folks at BYOAC. Join their facebook group and you'll hear plenty of people who were nervous to assemble the screwdriver only units and you'll find tons of happy customers reliving their youth. Pretty sure you'll mostly get gripes about inaccuracies and flaws here.
I do think the pricing strategy that Wal-mart chose was odd. It wasn't just a price drop. In most cases it was a price drop, and then raise back to full price, rinse and repeat. Some stores were clearing them out and stores within a few mile radius were at full price. I don't track items this closely, so I don't know if it is normal or not.
So, they weren't instantly "relegated to the bargain bins of history..." as you say, but they did go through price drops very shortly after black friday in some locations. In the ones I sold, I wasn't able to get more than 50% for one. I think the public feels the price point for these is $150.
ark_ader:
--- Quote from: Haze on February 26, 2019, 06:07:18 am ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 26, 2019, 12:59:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Haze on February 25, 2019, 05:30:29 pm ---They apparently couldn't even be bothered to use hardware good enough to use a version of MAME they were legally entitled to use, for basic games that weren't even overly demanding.
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Oh they are legal now, are they?
You should draft a letter to the 1up crew and apologise for your unprofessional behaviour, on this forum and Mameworld.
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So desperate to troll that you can't even be bothered to read the post. I said they couldn't be bothered to use hardware capable of running a MAME version they were entitled to use. They cheaped out and did it the illegal way.
WHY hasn't saint banned you yet I don't know, you contribute absolutely nothing useful to this forum, and are probably one of the reasons it's in decline.
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You probably think this is Mameworld, which is in decline, and yet you make unsubstantiated and blatant statements which you use (in a troll'esque method yourself) against a product that is successful. If you are so inclined to believe that the 1Up guys used software illegally, which you alone did not create, why are they not in court? In my opinion, they are making big bucks off all your hard work, just like the X-in 1 guys. Good for them. :applaud:
The reason I post the way I did, is because you are wrong in your approach to the issue, and have gone past the point of no return in your comments. Your behaviour is typical from previous posts and the reason why YOU GOT BANNED from Mameworld. A coordinator and developer being banned from a forum because of some preventable and unforgettable behaviour, and I see nothing has changed since. I forgive you though.
Everyone knows I can be a cad, and that is their opinion, just like yours unfortunately. I just call it as I see it. It appears I am not alone in that thought.
p.s.
David, please be careful what you post online in forums. Making statements such as yours in haste could land you into hot water. Posting online is like posting in a newspaper. I don't think the 1up guys did anything illegal, and your comments can hurt their future sales. I can understand your anger, but consider this: new audiences are enjoying the games you helped bring back to life, and this was the goal of MAME as a nice side effect. Remember?
opt2not:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 26, 2019, 06:31:45 pm ---
--- Quote from: Haze on February 26, 2019, 06:07:18 am ---
--- Quote from: ark_ader on February 26, 2019, 12:59:06 am ---
--- Quote from: Haze on February 25, 2019, 05:30:29 pm ---They apparently couldn't even be bothered to use hardware good enough to use a version of MAME they were legally entitled to use, for basic games that weren't even overly demanding.
--- End quote ---
Oh they are legal now, are they?
You should draft a letter to the 1up crew and apologise for your unprofessional behaviour, on this forum and Mameworld.
--- End quote ---
So desperate to troll that you can't even be bothered to read the post. I said they couldn't be bothered to use hardware capable of running a MAME version they were entitled to use. They cheaped out and did it the illegal way.
WHY hasn't saint banned you yet I don't know, you contribute absolutely nothing useful to this forum, and are probably one of the reasons it's in decline.
--- End quote ---
You probably think this is Mameworld, which is in decline, and yet you make unsubstantiated and blatant statements which you use (in a troll'esque method yourself) against a product that is successful. If you are so inclined to believe that the 1Up guys used software illegally, which you alone did not create, why are they not in court? In my opinion, they are making big bucks off all your hard work, just like the X-in 1 guys. Good for them. :applaud:
The reason I post the way I did, is because you are wrong in your approach to the issue, and have gone past the point of no return in your comments. Your behaviour is typical from previous posts and the reason why YOU GOT BANNED from Mameworld. A coordinator and developer being banned from a forum because of some preventable and unforgettable behaviour, and I see nothing has changed since. I forgive you though.
Everyone knows I can be a cad, and that is their opinion, just like yours unfortunately. I just call it as I see it. It appears I am not alone in that thought.
p.s.
David, please be careful what you post online in forums. Making statements such as yours in haste could land you into hot water. Posting online is like posting in a newspaper. I don't think the 1up guys did anything illegal, and your comments can hurt their future sales. I can understand your anger, but consider this: new audiences are enjoying the games you helped bring back to life, and this was the goal of MAME as a nice side effect. Remember?
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lilshawn:
back on track....
less ikea flatpack.
more actual thought into proper construction. The machine is very hard to construct out of the box as strong, stable, unit. if you woodglue and or construction adhesive it together, it's not too bad... but it shouldn't be wobbly out the box.
the 3/4 size killed it. having to put it on a pedestal (at an additional cost i might add) to put it on... to get it to "not midget" height was not a good idea. while great for kids... this unit was not aimed at the 13 and under. TBH, 13 and under could care less about pacman... it's the 30-45 year olds they are/should have been targeting... and they aren't 4 foot.
the cabinet should have been designed in a way to have it full, proper playable height from the getgo. even if it meant making a bigger box to ship/sell it in, or designing the cabinet in 2 parts. hell, make it part of the design.
I have seen 100:1 threads of people making this machine into something OTHER than what the manufacturer sold it as, that tells you they did it wrong.
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