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| DrakeTungsten:
(never mind. It's a mistake to even try) |
| Malenko:
Editing out your question before I can reply. Nice. --- Quote from: DrakeTungsten on August 16, 2018, 05:14:07 pm ---How does that work in-universe? --- End quote --- My answer didn't consider any in-universe explanation. Technological limits during TOS , and likely costs of a weekly TV show using modern technology are what keep the majority of the cast and aliens "humanoid". The Orville (which is an obvious homage to Star Trek) does have 1 non humanoid alien but even it speaks perfect English (as well as Norm McDonald does at least) and has lips. So I can't really answer your "in universe" question except to say they can only do so much with an explanation when the limit isn't the writing, but in the production. |
| shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Vigo on August 16, 2018, 01:13:21 pm --- :laugh2: I love how that seemingly offends you, being that Star Trek upends current limited scientific knowledge on a regular basis, and science is meant to be upended. --- End quote --- Not so much offended as just perplexed. The stuff in TNG (biology-related at least) blatantly contradicts a lot of already known biological science. While science is certainly meant to be ever-changing, there's a difference between gaining new, more accurate knowledge versus stating stuff that is just blatantly wrong. TNG falls in the latter. On top of that, it's so unnecessary. We know why all alien races in Star Trek are humanoid. It's called budget (or lack thereof). No in-universe explanation was necessary. --- Quote ---The episode I think you were referring was more taking on the theory of panspermia, that organic carbon can survive in space and seed life on other planets if they are hospitable. Being that we are now finding in tact DNA on the exterior of the ISS, there is at least some plausibility to that theory. --- End quote --- It's panspermia, but with a huge element of directed design built in. If the Earth really was seeded via microbes from space, any subsequent evolution of life would be largely directed by the environment. But this doesn't mean that a bipedal humanoid is going to be a guaranteed outcome; far from it. What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design. edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms. |
| Vigo:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on August 16, 2018, 06:08:47 pm ---What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design. edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms. --- End quote --- Does that scare you? I don't see the issue. Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma. :dunno |
| DrakeTungsten:
--- Quote from: Malenko on August 16, 2018, 05:29:30 pm ---Editing out your question before I can reply. Nice. --- Quote from: DrakeTungsten on August 16, 2018, 05:14:07 pm ---How does that work in-universe? --- End quote --- My answer didn't consider any in-universe explanation. Technological limits during TOS , and likely costs of a weekly TV show using modern technology are what keep the majority of the cast and aliens "humanoid". The Orville (which is an obvious homage to Star Trek) does have 1 non humanoid alien but even it speaks perfect English (as well as Norm McDonald does at least) and has lips. So I can't really answer your "in universe" question except to say they can only do so much with an explanation when the limit isn't the writing, but in the production. --- End quote --- You can't really believe this is news to anyone. The only way the question of "why so many humanoids?" makes sense is to ask it in-universe. It is implausible that you ever encountered anyone who didn't know the real reason why so many characters on sci-fi shows are humanoid. |
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