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| DrakeTungsten:
--- Quote from: Vigo on August 16, 2018, 07:36:06 pm --- --- Quote from: shponglefan on August 16, 2018, 06:08:47 pm ---What they are effectively arguing is for some sort of genetic front-loading that leads to specific outcomes over billions of years, which flies in the face of everything we know about evolution. They really are arguing for intelligent design. edited to add: I looked up the episode; they talk about a genetic "program" being embedded in DNA guiding evolution to humanoid forms. --- End quote --- Does that scare you? I don't see the issue. Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma. :dunno --- End quote --- You're switching back and forth from "Sci-fi always plays fast and loose with real science, so what?" and "This idea is not implausible, given real science", in the same breath, even. As far as you are committed to the second thought, you've apparently got some wrong ideas, but we can't be sure unless you express them more coherently. |
| DrakeTungsten:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on August 16, 2018, 06:08:47 pm ---there's a difference between gaining new, more accurate knowledge versus stating stuff that is just blatantly wrong. TNG falls in the latter. --- End quote --- Be careful. He's saying "wrong doesn't matter" and then saying "it's not wrong". It sounds like you're only talking about the latter. I suggest dismissing him when he argues the former. --- Quote ---It's panspermia, but with a huge element of directed design built in. If the Earth really was seeded via microbes from space, any subsequent evolution of life would be largely directed by the environment. --- End quote --- Guarding against mutation is the more problematic issue with pre-programmed genetics meant to run out over the course of billions of years. |
| Vigo:
--- Quote from: DrakeTungsten on August 16, 2018, 07:54:13 pm ---You're switching back and forth from "Sci-fi always plays fast and loose with real science, so what?" and "This idea not is implausible, given real science", in the same breath, even. As far as you are committed to the second thought, you've apparently got some wrong ideas, but we can't be sure unless you express them more coherently. --- End quote --- You obviously don't know what the term "Science Fiction" means. ::) Science Fiction, especially in Star Trek sense, doesn't mean it is building stories to support currently accepted scientific theory. Quite the contrary. True Science Fiction explores the science and potential of any idea, often the less accepted the better, but puts a scientific reasoning behind it to show us potential and expand our thinking. Food Replicators, teleporters, warp speed, cloaking devices. They were never based on existing science but there is a reality built around them. Suddenly the impossible can be explored as possible. Which is why I find it hilarious that you both seem to have a hard time accepting that episode. |
| shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Vigo on August 16, 2018, 07:36:06 pm ---Does that scare you? I don't see the issue. --- End quote --- It's just silly (i.e. fantasy). --- Quote ---Maybe there is a known state in shared DNA for an ideal genetic form, which would make for most races being humanoid, but the ones from more hospitable climates have softer features. Harsher planets have humanoids with ridges, horns, heir, flappers, sharp teeth, etc. It is upending science as we know it, but no different than something like sling-shotting around a sun or stuff found in practically every episode. You act like our current concepts of genetics are dogma. :dunno --- End quote --- It's not that our current knowledge is dogma. It's that we'd have to unlearn a whole lot of what we already know to accommodate such explanations on the show. It's also ends up being the single most profound in-universe revelation that everyone completely forgets about by the next episode. I mean, finding out that human origins is due to ancient alien genetic engineering. That's huge. And it ends up being a disposable explanation for why aliens in the show are just people with things glued to their faces. I think more than anything it's the latter point that really bugs me about it. It's an episode that should never have happened. Just like the midichlorian scene in Phantom Menace. |
| shponglefan:
--- Quote from: DrakeTungsten on August 16, 2018, 08:19:45 pm ---Guarding against mutation is the more problematic issue with pre-programmed genetics meant to run out over the course of billions of years. --- End quote --- Not to mention the very reason we're here today is due to numerous extinction events in the past. Lucky thing, that. |
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