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leapinlew:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on April 11, 2018, 11:32:54 pm ---Heh... someone complains that their teachers are mediocre and therefore don't deserve a raise when, in reality they are mediocre BECAUSE they don't get a raise. The only way to get a better quality worker in any field is to offer better pay.... then more qualified professionals will be willing to apply for the job. That being said teachers should absolutely be held accountable for the education level of their students.

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Maybe for some.

When house prices and house sales were booming, it's not like Realtors became more qualified. In Information Technology, the higher wages doesn't guarantee you'll get a more qualified professional. Just more crap to wade through when your'e hiring. Good wages help, but I'd argue that the good teachers now, would be the same good teachers if their wages doubled. The crappy ones are still going to be crappy.

Arroyo:
Would that hold true for your profession? If your industry were to be devalued and your pay significantly reduced would you continue to do the work? I think that question becomes particularly difficult to answer when it starts to impact ones ability to afford some of the more desirable things like home ownership. Obviously it’s regionally dependent but I can say that where I live teachers are mostly commuters with a typical hour drive to and from work as they cannot afford housing in the area they teach.

For the record I am definitely a capitalist, I just think we have to be careful where we place our values so that we don’t fall behind the rest of the world.

jennifer:

--- Quote from: Arroyo on April 12, 2018, 02:06:12 am ---Would that hold true for your profession? If your industry were to be devalued and your pay significantly reduced would you continue to do the work? I think that question becomes particularly difficult to answer when it starts to impact ones ability to afford some of the more desirable things like home ownership. Obviously it’s regionally dependent but I can say that where I live teachers are mostly commuters with a typical hour drive to and from work as they cannot afford housing in the area they teach.

For the record I am definitely a capitalist, I just think we have to be careful where we place our values so that we don’t fall behind the rest of the world.

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All industries are not a given, Tech changes by the day and as such some jobs are phased out all together, adapt or die....while it would be fun to think a teacher could save humanity, truth is they would most likely struggle in private sector in their respective fields, even if they could find a job.

Locke141:
Tenyour doesn’t work how most people think. I have it and get observed 6 times a year. If my rating would falls below satisfactory I would be put on a preference inhansment plan (PIP). If I then were to fall to meet the goals in the in the PIP in the time designated line, I would be let go. Schools with tenyour on avrege dismiss teacher how are struggling more often.

Here is a fun fact in NYC, on avrege the unionized public out preform the charter school.

Also,Most of the teachers I know under 40 in NYC have to get summer jobs just to get by.

pbj:
The only way I see teachers "make it" around here is they're married to someone who's subsidizing the income. I don't think it's really possible to support a family with the salary, which is a pretty sad state of affairs. Bringing the income up to a livable wage ought to attract better talent and not waste too much on the duds. $50k plus a 3% increase every other year? Would make the option tenable for a lot more people.

My wife teaches at the college level and spends a hell of a lot of nights grading until 2-3am for indifferent students. Then they want letters of recommendation for medical school. It's simultaneously hilarious and sad. You'd have to put a gun to my head to make me teach.

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