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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #160 on: March 08, 2018, 08:21:07 pm »
Shouldn't you have started a separate topic about how you don't like me? Geez Drake way to derail a thread.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #161 on: March 08, 2018, 08:27:39 pm »
Mike, who says I don't like you? Why are suggesting I start a thread based on a lie?
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #162 on: March 08, 2018, 08:33:55 pm »
Mike got set off because Haze made a very underhanded comment regarding the members of this board in this thread. Haze has been doing that in other threads.

I have a lot of respect for Haze. But Iím with MikeA, thereís no need to repeatedly look down at the members here.

Was this the very underhanded comment?  It may be a little passive aggressive but he is correct. 

However I'm already aware that a good number of the other innovative things we've been doing recently are of no interest to people here because they don't fit the mold of what they'd like to see.

This is harsh?  Or did I miss something?

I musta missed it, too.

To be clear I'm not defending Haze here.  I'm just trying to drill down into a very recent example to try and understand this better.

Totally agree.

Yots, I'm sorry man. There is literally name calling going on in this thread and you are trying to pull off some high road protect-the-community response... not buying it.

It's an online forum, of course there are going to be some negative comments. What's happened here happens on other forums, there is a clique of folks who can be jerks and then back each other up. To act like it doesn't happen, well that just makes you look silly.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #163 on: March 08, 2018, 08:36:04 pm »
You a judge now?

Mamey Judge since 2007.

I'll be back in January to officially claim 2018 as the year of no innovactions.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #164 on: March 08, 2018, 08:47:51 pm »
Mike got set off because Haze made a very underhanded comment regarding the members of this board in this thread. Haze has been doing that in other threads.

I have a lot of respect for Haze. But Iím with MikeA, thereís no need to repeatedly look down at the members here.

Was this the very underhanded comment?  It may be a little passive aggressive but he is correct. 

However I'm already aware that a good number of the other innovative things we've been doing recently are of no interest to people here because they don't fit the mold of what they'd like to see.

This is harsh?  Or did I miss something?

I musta missed it, too.

To be clear I'm not defending Haze here.  I'm just trying to drill down into a very recent example to try and understand this better.

Totally agree.

Yots, I'm sorry man. There is literally name calling going on in this thread and you are trying to pull off some high road protect-the-community response... not buying it.

It's an online forum, of course there are going to be some negative comments. What's happened here happens on other forums, there is a clique of folks who can be jerks and then back each other up. To act like it doesn't happen, well that just makes you look silly.

Thatís cool, you donít have to believe me. It doesnít matter to me one way or another.

I have no problem with people being blunt. Sugarcoating things doesnít do anyone any good. Can guys be asses about it? Sure. That doesnít mean theyíre doing it to be mean or a bully. Was I being a bully to Fish Boy? He thought I was. Itís all in perception.

But I stand by my support of Mike. Thereís no need to denigrate MAME users because we donít get it, dude. You can be fine with that, itís your call.
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #165 on: March 08, 2018, 08:48:41 pm »
Whens the last time some one won a MAMEY?
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #166 on: March 08, 2018, 08:52:17 pm »
Is there a Mamey for most evil henchman? I really think I have a shot.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #167 on: March 08, 2018, 09:04:57 pm »
Whens the last time some one won a MAMEY?

Mameys are given for innovation, so...  ;)

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #168 on: March 08, 2018, 09:08:09 pm »
Mike got set off because Haze made a very underhanded comment regarding the members of this board in this thread. Haze has been doing that in other threads.

I have a lot of respect for Haze. But Iím with MikeA, thereís no need to repeatedly look down at the members here.

Was this the very underhanded comment?  It may be a little passive aggressive but he is correct. 

However I'm already aware that a good number of the other innovative things we've been doing recently are of no interest to people here because they don't fit the mold of what they'd like to see.

This is harsh?  Or did I miss something?

I musta missed it, too.

To be clear I'm not defending Haze here.  I'm just trying to drill down into a very recent example to try and understand this better.

Totally agree.

Yots, I'm sorry man. There is literally name calling going on in this thread and you are trying to pull off some high road protect-the-community response... not buying it.

It's an online forum, of course there are going to be some negative comments. What's happened here happens on other forums, there is a clique of folks who can be jerks and then back each other up. To act like it doesn't happen, well that just makes you look silly.

Thatís cool, you donít have to believe me. It doesnít matter to me one way or another.

I have no problem with people being blunt. Sugarcoating things doesnít do anyone any good. Can guys be asses about it? Sure. That doesnít mean theyíre doing it to be mean or a bully. Was I being a bully to Fish Boy? He thought I was. Itís all in perception.

But I stand by my support of Mike. Thereís no need to denigrate MAME users because we donít get it, dude. You can be fine with that, itís your call.

Just to be clear, it's ok to be blunt, unless Haze says something that you perceive to be not ok, than it's ok to be a jerk. The rules on this forum really need to be updated.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #169 on: March 08, 2018, 09:10:53 pm »
Mike got set off because Haze made a very underhanded comment regarding the members of this board in this thread. Haze has been doing that in other threads.

I have a lot of respect for Haze. But Iím with MikeA, thereís no need to repeatedly look down at the members here.

Was this the very underhanded comment?  It may be a little passive aggressive but he is correct. 

However I'm already aware that a good number of the other innovative things we've been doing recently are of no interest to people here because they don't fit the mold of what they'd like to see.

This is harsh?  Or did I miss something?

I musta missed it, too.

To be clear I'm not defending Haze here.  I'm just trying to drill down into a very recent example to try and understand this better.

Totally agree.

Yots, I'm sorry man. There is literally name calling going on in this thread and you are trying to pull off some high road protect-the-community response... not buying it.

It's an online forum, of course there are going to be some negative comments. What's happened here happens on other forums, there is a clique of folks who can be jerks and then back each other up. To act like it doesn't happen, well that just makes you look silly.

Thatís cool, you donít have to believe me. It doesnít matter to me one way or another.

I have no problem with people being blunt. Sugarcoating things doesnít do anyone any good. Can guys be asses about it? Sure. That doesnít mean theyíre doing it to be mean or a bully. Was I being a bully to Fish Boy? He thought I was. Itís all in perception.

But I stand by my support of Mike. Thereís no need to denigrate MAME users because we donít get it, dude. You can be fine with that, itís your call.

Just to be clear, it's ok to be blunt, unless Haze says something that you perceive to be not ok, than it's ok to be a jerk. The rules on this forum really need to be updated.

Haze gave it to the group, MikeA gave it back. Maybe you enjoy people speaking in a passive aggressive manner toward you. Everyone has their thing.
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #170 on: March 08, 2018, 09:13:56 pm »
Haze gave it to the group, MikeA gave it back. Maybe you enjoy people speaking in a passive aggressive manner toward you. Everyone has their thing.
Don't think that went unappreciated!
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #171 on: March 08, 2018, 09:16:37 pm »
I pop in from time to time to see if anyone is making anything interesting.  Last one that I thought was cool was Barrel of Kong....  How long ago was that?  ???

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #172 on: March 08, 2018, 09:19:09 pm »
Haze gave it to the group, MikeA gave it back. Maybe you enjoy people speaking in a passive aggressive manner toward you. Everyone has their thing.
Don't think that went unappreciated!

Yeah, donít be patronizing. Iím sure some people, maybe even most people donít care. Whatever.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #173 on: March 08, 2018, 09:20:04 pm »
I pop in from time to time to see if anyone is making anything interesting.  Last one that I thought was cool was Barrel of Kong....  How long ago was that?  ???

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #174 on: March 08, 2018, 09:21:12 pm »
Once ZapCon is over, I think it might be time to say sayonara. Clearly I donít have anything to offer this community anymore.

Fish much?

Seriously though, no one wants that.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #175 on: March 08, 2018, 09:24:12 pm »
Some of you guys can't be tactful when giving feedback, you give opinion as if it's fact, you belittle, and you gang up. Of course the new user is going to leave. Then you blame them for being weak or whatever. I'm totally ok with the veterans biting their lip.
I think itís the opposite on average. There are plenty of threads that old members are straightforward with their constructive criticisms, that in a majority of cases help the projects theyíre commenting on. Iíd link you examples out of the 10ís of 100ís of posts I can search through, but I canít be bothered so youíll have to take my word for it.

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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #176 on: March 08, 2018, 09:25:48 pm »
Once ZapCon is over, I think it might be time to say sayonara. Clearly I donít have anything to offer this community anymore.

Fish much?

Seriously though, no one wants that.

Fish? Not since 2015.

To be honest, itís been in the back my mind for a while now. Itís not a ďWaaaaa, leaving foreverĒ flame out kind of thing, I just think this hobby is evolving into a direction that doesnít suit my tastes. Thatís all. You can call me that dirty ďPuristĒ, but I grew up with arcade machines and I have a certain respect and mindset towards them. If this hobby is going in a different direction, so be it. Itís been good to me, Iíve made a lot of friends, and I learned a hell of a lot about some things. Iíll always be grateful, I just donít want to be that stick in the mud.

I agree with your original premise, Lew. And I think thatís part of my problem.
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Re: 2018: The year of no new innovations?
« Reply #177 on: March 08, 2018, 09:53:00 pm »
Give me a break. Its not always about "innovation" its also about art, craftsmanship, style and imagination. Just because nobody is doing it now doesn't mean there won't be a great project right around the corner.

+1

I think Iíve been on BYOAC pretty much since the beginning of the site, though I lurked at first for years. Back then innovation meant using something other than contact paper for a CPO. When I was in the thick of my own project (and getting the most personally out of the site) I remember someone posting a similar question about innovation being over. IIRC that was long before dynamic marquees, LED lighting, tabletop barcades, virtual pinball tables, anything from OND, etc.

I guess we all have different reasons for checking in here. Innovation itself has never really been a big one for me though. Iíve always been drawn here to see a concept well executed, regardless of the ground it breaks. One of my favorites was AmericanAce, which didnít really break any ground technologically, but was massively inspiring.  It felt somehow instantly nostalgic, which I guess is another draw for me. I do remember having my mind blown by that Roswell project and later by 1Upís Pacmamea many years ago, more recently by ONDs work and by Mimic. But even then, their innovations werenít really what interested me so much as their overall production value and the nostalgic feeling they provoked.

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