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| opt2not:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 06, 2018, 02:42:12 pm --- --- Quote from: 8BitMonk on February 06, 2018, 12:21:40 pm ---Why would you waste 4 more hours of your life watching it if you really dislike it that much? --- End quote --- Because I like it, so he has to go out of his way bashing it. If I had said I hated it he would have chimed in saying how great it was. Don't pay any attention to him... he keeps trying to convince everyone that Prime Federation Force was good, so there you go. --- End quote --- Oh Coward_Hastro, is that really all you have? FF wasn't the only game I worked on, and it wasn't even remotely close to my proudest title. You're just jealous I actually am associated with a game development, your precious Nintendo at that, (rather than hacking up other people's work am i right?). But, do you really want me to take a cheap-shot at you and make a "blind leading the blind" comment? You're the one person we shouldn't pay attention to. You're too blinded (ha ha, well I did it) by fanboi'ism in many aspects that your word has nothing even remotely close to an unbiased opinion. I don't even know why you comment in these threads, we all know you ride dick the hardest once you like something. |
| 8BitMonk:
--- Quote from: opt2not on February 06, 2018, 01:18:43 pm ---Respectfully I disagree with you. It’s ok, not everyone has to like the same things. --- End quote --- ^^ Back at ya. No one should be taking this personally, much of it is subjective. I get some of your points but think you're being overly harsh in your judgements. I'd venture to guess most people aren't going to get hung up on much of what you mention. It'll be interesting to hear some other opinions, good and bad. --- Quote from: opt2not on February 06, 2018, 01:18:43 pm ---I just have higher standards is all. As to why I keep watching is to have something to contradict all the sheep out there that recommend these shows to others, acting like their surrogate Marketing Teams. If you promote weak quality and people accept it like the status quo, then there is no need to improve. --- End quote --- I realize this was probably meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek but it comes off pretty dickish. So you're basically saying you have superior taste and anyone who disagrees with you is a mindless sheep? Also watching another 4 hours of something you hate just to save the general public from what you consider trash is a little goofy. :lol |
| opt2not:
--- Quote from: 8BitMonk on February 06, 2018, 04:56:10 pm ---I get some of your points but think you're being overly harsh in your judgements. I'd venture to guess most people aren't going to get hung up on much of what you mention. It'll be interesting to hear some other opinions, good and bad. --- End quote --- I wouldn't be this harsh if it were a network TV series, but we're talking about a "premium" release on a paid subscription service. Especially one that is trying to look and feel like an HBO contender. I don't know man, do you really think the acting is that good? (from your original post) I had a few cringy moments with Rei's delivery, especially during the flashbacks, and I still think Ortega is pushing her character too much in most of her lines. Like I said, episode 8 got better for her. --- Quote from: opt2not on February 06, 2018, 01:18:43 pm ---I realize this was probably meant to be a bit tongue-in-cheek but it comes off pretty dickish. So you're basically saying you have superior taste and anyone who disagrees with you is a mindless sheep? Also watching another 4 hours of something you hate just to save the general public from what you consider trash is a little goofy. :lol --- End quote --- It was more to poke at H_C, he tends to post how he loves a thing, and if you don't agree with him it's a grand injustice. He's willing to break friendships if you don't agree (he's stated this before). I have no problems with you man, you're cool. No the points I laid out are why I disagree with the "mindless sheep" that tend to gloss over things in the vain of "not taking it too seriously". People have been posting this all over social media and forums that I frequent, and it's promoting something that isn't all that. The more practical truth is I'm subjecting myself to continuing this to the end because at this point I'm pot-committed. It's like how I felt with Star Trek Discovery, watch the first season, see if it gets better by the end...if not, cut it loose. This is a series I feel like I'll most likely cut loose. |
| 8BitMonk:
It's cool, no problems here. Opinions are welcome, that's why I posted! :cheers: --- Quote from: opt2not on February 06, 2018, 05:10:34 pm ---I don't know man, do you really think the acting is that good? (from your original post) I had a few cringy moments with Rei's delivery, especially during the flashbacks, and I still think Ortega is pushing her character too much in most of her lines. Like I said, episode 8 got better for her. --- End quote --- I honestly thought the acting was good, no cringy moments for me. I lower my expectations a bit for something like this, it's camp, I didn't go in expecting Oscar worthy performances. Rei's flat delivery I chalked up to being a stone cold psycho. :) Ortega was overly animated in spots but I thought it fit the characters personality. I really enjoyed the story, I think it's deeper than most sci-fi and touched on some interesting societal issues that would go along with being able to live forever. The stacks as a plot point created some particularly interesting interactions since you didn't always know who was in what body. The effects looked decent to me overall, I didn't recognize any of the locations. I'll give you the PS contour lines for VR, not a fan. I wouldn't say it's the best thing ever but taking a composite score, for my viewing tastes anyway, I still give it high marks. |
| dkersten:
I liked it. Story did take some turns that took away some of the appeal, got too complicated and stopped making good sense without a lot of working hard to connect the dots after each episode. I could see where they could have thrown in some small things here and there to make it flow better, make better sense of some of the actions and reactions. I have no idea if the series follows the book or books, I have not even heard of this until a couple weeks ago. But the most common failure when translating a book story to a movie or TV series is when details are left out that make the story either better or just help to support the depth of the characters or the world it is all built in. People who have gained familiarity with a story, like writers and producers, tend to lose sight of the fact that their audience is seeing this for the first time. So they leave out details they just assume everyone will figure out, and it can make or break the success of the translation from text to video. I felt that way in the last three episodes of the series. I was having to make connections in my head to justify the actions of the character and I was not always right. There was depth there but you had to construct it after the fact. I also found myself going back to the start of an episode a few times to either figure out what was going on or pick up on some detail I missed while paying attention to something that didn't matter as much. I like a deep story, but all too often the depth of the story was lost if you weren't making those connections on the fly. But overall, I was highly entertained, and that is the point. If I want to experience something introspective with tons of depth, I pick up a book. If I want to be entertained for an hour, I watch a show. You don't use a hammer to put in a screw, why do people expect to get the same experience of a book out of a movie or TV show? How many movies or TV shows have done justice to the book or could hold a candle to a good book in general? You will run out of examples before you run out of fingers to count them on. As for the sex and violence, I thought it was just right. To each their own, but I have watched enough PG shows in my life, and now I prefer more sex, more grit, more language, more violence, more emotion, and more disgusting human behavior. It makes it feel more real to me. People have sex. People who have elevated hormone levels have a lot of sex. People who survive traumatic situations have sex. It fits the story and the situation. Gratuitously rich people who have had too much of everything in their life resort to near sociopathic behavior while seeking enjoyment. Maybe that is showing up in public with transparent clothing and nipples clearly visible, or perhaps it is paying people to beat each other up. Hell, it happens today, why not in a distant future where they are immortal and have had hundreds of years to degrade into the worst possible humans? This, to me, makes sense, and when portraying people like this I don't want it hidden or just talked about, I want it to be part of the show, even if I find it disgusting. It's part of the immersion to me. My favorite shows out there are things like GoT, Shameless, Detour, Billions, Ozark, and Ray Donovan. All different genres, different types of shows, but they have one thing in common: they don't pull punches. If the character is ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up, they show them doing ---fouled up beyond all recognition--- up things. If they have sex, they don't close the door and leave it to your imagination and nobody has sex with all their clothes on every time, so if it's going to be a sex scene, their clothes are coming off. If you are going to store a clone, why would you store it with clothes on? If they want to show the dark side of someone who is well respected, they show it as graphically as necessary. None of this stuff would have been OK to put in TV shows a little over a decade ago, and I'm happy I can watch this stuff today. But like I said, to each their own. If you don't like it, the other 98% of movies and tv will keep it all conveniently behind the scenes. |
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