Anyone else watch Altered Carbon?

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8BitMonk:
Blew through all 10 episodes of Netflix's new Altered Carbon series and thought it was absolutely fantastic. It has a Blade Runner/film noire vibe with cyperpunk/neuromancer aspects. Great production quality, acting, action and a solid whodunnit story. Anyone else check it out?

Howard_Casto:
Yeah I was going to recommend it. The only problem with it is the entire series jumps the shark at episode 8. The twist was stupid, predictable, and didn't really make any sense. Also it has the same catastrophic flaw in logic that Demolition Man had.... if prisoners aren't conscious during a prison sentence, then they haven't learned anything nor have they been rehabilitated, therefore you would be releasing criminals back into society.

That being said, the first 8 episodes are damn good, so I would reccomend everyone check it out and watch all but the last 10 minutes of ep 8 and pretend that the show got cancelled. ;)

shponglefan:
Why am I only hearing about this now? Enjoyed the book, didn't even know it was being made into a series. :/

8BitMonk:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 05, 2018, 02:05:51 am ---Yeah I was going to recommend it. The only problem with it is the entire series jumps the shark at episode 8. The twist was stupid, predictable, and didn't really make any sense. Also it has the same catastrophic flaw in logic that Demolition Man had.... if prisoners aren't conscious during a prison sentence, then they haven't learned anything nor have they been rehabilitated, therefore you would be releasing criminals back into society.

That being said, the first 8 episodes are damn good, so I would reccomend everyone check it out and watch all but the last 10 minutes of ep 8 and pretend that the show got cancelled. ;)

--- End quote ---

Interesting assessment. I didn't find the twists (there are several to be fair) to be obvious or that it jumped the shark at 8, I liked the whole thing. The plot hole occurred to me but I just assumed there's unexplained reasoning, perhaps there's virtual counseling going on in VR while your stack is imprisoned. :)

Some critics have railed on it pretty hard which I don't get. There's also been some bs about whitewashing which is ridiculous considering the theme of this universe is being able to jump bodies and the fact that the original source material was an asian man transferred into a white mans body.

Howard_Casto:
Well she says that it took her 250 years to find a way to get him out and it took a wealthy elite with enough influence to get him out and yet, once she betrayed the rebellion she instantly got unimaginable money and power, so she could have asked for her brother in another sleeve (so nobody would recognize him) as a condition for her betrayal along with all the cash and clones. Even if that didn't fly, she says herself that she's now a captain of industry and I'm guessing that didn't happen overnight, so she could have gotten him out a lot sooner than 250 years. Even ignoring all of that there is this weird incest vibe going on and we are supposed to believe that she's lost all of her humanity yet she still loves her brother enough to try and get him out a full 250 years later. Yeah it's a bit of a nonsensical mess.

Honestly I saw it coming a mile a way but I kept thinking "no, this show is too good for them to pull that cliche", and boom they did. I kept hoping that with the remaining episodes they would explain away the inconsistencies in that maybe she was lying and there was another reason, but nope.

Actually, no, they make it pretty clear from the first episode that the criminals aren't conscious while thy are in storage.... to him his murder had just happened (thus the freak-out) and he even had to ask how long he had been out. So it's not an unexplained reason... just poor writing.

The white-washing accusation is ridiculous. The show has two male leads... the white guy that plays him now, and the Asian guy that plays him in the flash-backs. Even ignoring that, I haven't seen that many Asians in one show since Fresh off the Boat. There were good representations of many ethnic groups in the series.

So like Bright, it has a lot of problems, but also like Bright, the acting, casting and general world building are good enough to ignore a lot of those problems.

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