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Howard_Casto:
Man you really don't understand the theme of Star Trek. We've evolved beyond our petty need for vanity and our ridiculous fear of death. (Thus no religion.) It wasn't explored further because nobody wants to be a kid again or be young again, they want to experience their lives to their natural conclusion.

Star Trek is about humanism.... if you don't understand humanism, sadly you will never understand the GENRE DEFINING SERIES that is Star Trek TNG.

As for the episodic nature, that was done purposefully.... this is the 80's/90's we are talking about... if it were episodic it would have meant that missing a few episodes would have made it impossible for new viewers to jump in.

pbj:
Yeah, okay, sweet, sweet, pure secular humanism in one hand, 40 more years in the other. ::)

--- Quote from: BadMouth on January 14, 2018, 09:42:52 am ---It's odd to watch a show released only on a streaming service and have it written for commercial breaks.
I'm hoping this means they will air it on regular broadcast tv after the season is over.

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Check out Mystery Science Theater on Netflix. It feels like it was filmed 5 years ago and was clearly meant for broadcast with commercials.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on January 14, 2018, 12:45:56 pm ---Man you really don't understand the theme of Star Trek. We've evolved beyond our petty need for vanity and our ridiculous fear of death. (Thus no religion.) It wasn't explored further because nobody wants to be a kid again or be young again, they want to experience their lives to their natural conclusion.

Star Trek is about humanism.... if you don't understand humanism, sadly you will never understand the GENRE DEFINING SERIES that is Star Trek TNG.
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You can defend it however you want, but you must admit the "science" fiction/technology aspects in TNG are pretty silly.

shponglefan:

--- Quote from: Grasshopper on January 14, 2018, 12:01:42 pm ---It constantly baffled me why some people think that Star Trek is an example of good Science Fiction.
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It's one of those shows that is just too inconsistent, especially when it keeps jumping into sci-fantasy territory.

When it sticks to the "harder" sci-fi elements or focuses more the human aspects, it can be quite good. But the variability in quality and the way technology seems to exist at times just to serve the plot-of-the-week makes it frustrating to watch at times.

Howard_Casto:

--- Quote from: shponglefan on January 14, 2018, 09:35:09 pm ---
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on January 14, 2018, 12:45:56 pm ---Man you really don't understand the theme of Star Trek. We've evolved beyond our petty need for vanity and our ridiculous fear of death. (Thus no religion.) It wasn't explored further because nobody wants to be a kid again or be young again, they want to experience their lives to their natural conclusion.

Star Trek is about humanism.... if you don't understand humanism, sadly you will never understand the GENRE DEFINING SERIES that is Star Trek TNG.
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You can defend it however you want, but you must admit the "science" fiction/technology aspects in TNG are pretty silly.

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No, no they aren't. NASA consultants were hired by the show to make sure that the technobabble and general concepts at least sounded believable. Compare it to pretty much every sci-fi show before it or at the time and it was head and shoulders above it. Also it was "inconsistent" because unlike stagnant shows today, they had a revolving door of some of the best scifi writers in the world coming in to do shows. Yeah sometimes there were duds and yeah the first season was fairly terrible, but the show was consistently fantastic otherwise. They threw the genre on it's side by realizing that nobody really cared about the alien of the week... that aspect of the show was merely filler...they cared about Data's exploration of humanity, and Worf's exploration of what it is to be Klingon. Character development is the primary focus of the show, which had never really been done before and since every single solitary scifi show worth mentioning follows the same format.

So again, TNG is about humanism, if you don't like the show then you don't understand humanism and I pity you, because you will never get why good scifi is good or fully appreciate all of these wonderful shows that have been made since based upon the rough layout of TNG. Farscape, Stargate SG1, Babylon 5 and even more modern shows like the Battlestar remake are all built upon the framework of that GROUNDBREAKING show. If you disagree sorry, you are just wrong. The creators of these shows will tell you flat out that I am correct and hell, a good chunk of them literally worked on TNG back in the day.

Again I don't think you guys are getting that this show came out in 1987....The last scifi show worth mentioning on broadcast tv was Galactica 1980 and if you want to see how big of a leap was made, go back and watch a few episodes of that garbage.

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