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| dkersten:
The Walking Dead is really a show about the human condition. But some people like and dislike it because of the zombies. In fact, I would go so far as to say its popularity is based mostly on the zombies. Point being that regardless of what the writers tried to achieve or the actors philosophy was in playing their character, people tune in for the stuff they like. Your point about TNG being the only sci-fi series in 7 years just goes to prove that the reason people tuned in was for their sci-fi fix in a time when it was unique, which made it go down easier. Even the most rancid water will taste great to someone dying of thirst. Just because you found something deeper in it doesn't mean it was the reason the show was successful or has a lot of followers. Keep in mind, the same audiences were in love with Knight Rider around that time... Personally, I couldn't get into TNG. I was a fan of the original series and a bit of a hardcore sci-fi fan, but I found the show simply "meh". If I wanted good sci-fi I read a book, and if I wanted to enjoy the Star Trek universe I watched the original show. As someone who doesn't watch the new series and was not a TNG or DS9 fan, I would agree that the science fiction I have seen from all of it has more holes than swiss cheese. Enjoy the show for the entertainment value, if you want real science fiction, read a book, you will never find it in washed down television shows designed for mass audiences. |
| shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on January 14, 2018, 11:10:22 pm ---No, no they aren't. NASA consultants were hired by the show to make sure that the technobabble and general concepts at least sounded believable. --- End quote --- I'm not talking about whether or not it "sounds believable". Honestly, whether or not a warp engine or transporter system is physically possible, I don't really care. I can suspend my disbelief for things like that and it's part-and-parcel to watching a show like TNG. What I'm talking about is the way technology is used in a rather arbitrary fashion in service of the plot. For example, take an episode like "Cause and Effect". It's a great episode overall and easily one of TNG's best. But the entire setup for the episode is silly. They are put in the collision course of another ship and the very things that would alleviate the situation (maneuvering thrusters and/or shields) are rendered inoperable for no apparent reason. Yet things like shuttle bay doors and the tractor beam are completely unaffected, because they need something to act as a solution to the dilemma. It's things like this that are just silly (and lazy writing IMHO), when you start to break them down. The fact that a lot of episodes have an arbitrary technobabble problem and an equally arbitrary technobabble solution does not make for compelling sci-fi. --- Quote ---They threw the genre on it's side by realizing that nobody really cared about the alien of the week... that aspect of the show was merely filler...they cared about Data's exploration of humanity, and Worf's exploration of what it is to be Klingon. Character development is the primary focus of the show, which had never really been done before and since every single solitary scifi show worth mentioning follows the same format. --- End quote --- Character development in the series is pretty weak though. Arguably only Picard, Data and Worf had any real development to them. The rest of the cast was largely there to fill in designated roles. Crusher does Doctor stuff, Geordi does engineer stuff, Troi provides exposition and so on. --- Quote ---So again, TNG is about humanism, if you don't like the show then you don't understand humanism and I pity you, because you will never get why good scifi is good or fully appreciate all of these wonderful shows that have been made since based upon the rough layout of TNG. --- End quote --- Oh please, don't start with the whole "if you don't understand it" nonsense. That's just a cop-out for a poor defense of a show which while having its moments, also suffers from a number of obvious flaws. I suppose you could consider it groundbreaking at the time, but at this point the show has aged poorly. And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I enjoyed it enough to sit through a rewatch of the entire series. But in doing so and especially in comparing to contemporary series, the weaknesses of TNG stand out all the more. |
| Vigo:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on January 17, 2018, 12:09:54 pm ---What I'm talking about is the way technology is used in a rather arbitrary fashion in service of the plot. For example, take an episode like "Cause and Effect". It's a great episode overall and easily one of TNG's best. But the entire setup for the episode is silly. They are put in the collision course of another ship and the very things that would alleviate the situation (maneuvering thrusters and/or shields) are rendered inoperable for no apparent reason. Yet things like shuttle bay doors and the tractor beam are completely unaffected, because they need something to act as a solution to the dilemma. --- End quote --- I'm sorry the thrusters inoperable but the shuttle bay doors working ruined your trek experience. Just a hint, when Howard is like "Chill dude, its just a TV show." You know it is a Trek conversation has gone too far. :lol |
| shponglefan:
--- Quote from: Vigo on January 17, 2018, 12:45:05 pm --- I'm sorry the thrusters inoperable but the shuttle bay doors working ruined your trek experience. Just a hint, when Howard is like "Chill dude, its just a TV show." You know it is a Trek conversation has gone too far. :lol --- End quote --- Wasn't my point. I'm simply pointing out that Star Trek's treatment of technology in service of the plot is often silly. And that's fine. Things can be silly and be entertaining (Doctor Who is built on that premise). The least we can do is admit that. (And for anyone accusing me of nitpicking I wasn't the one complaining about holograms leaning on tables. ;)) |
| Vigo:
No worries! I'm just messing with you, bro! ;D |
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