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All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« on: February 14, 2016, 08:56:24 pm »
Directory of "All Killer, No Filler Gamelists"

JUST BECAUSE A GAME IS IN THIS LIST DOES NOT MEAN IT IS WORKING 100% CORRECTLY IN MAME.
LOTS OF GREAT GAMES ARE PERFECTLY PLAYABLE, BUT HAVE SMALL SOUND OR GRAPHICS ISSUES CAUSING THEM TO BE LISTED AS NOT PERFECTLY EMULATED IN MAME.
DO NOT USE A NO-NAG VERSION OF MAME AND THEN COMPLAIN TO MAME DEVS AFTER YOU'VE REMOVED THE GIANT RED BOX THEY PUT THERE TO INFORM YOU THAT THERE IS AN ISSUE WITH THE GAME.  IF YOU FEEL THE NEED TO ASK ABOUT AN ISSUE, ALWAYS TEST WITH THE UNADULTERATED OFFICIAL MAME BUILD FIRST.


EDIT:   The attached batch files will copy over the needed MAME roms (including bios) from a full romset (change the extension to .bat)
The bat files and target folders start with an underscore so they'll stay at the top of your rom folder where they are easy to find.  If everything is done inside your current rom folder, a full path doesn't need to be specified.  Instructions are in comments at the top of the bat file.

The batch files assume you have split sets, so don't need the parent roms.  If you do not have split sets or aren't sure, remove the "::" from in front of all the parent roms and they will be copied over as well.

A lot of these have nag screens stating the emulation isn't 100% accurate.  You'll probably want to use a no-nag MAME build. 
Just don't go reporting bugs after you've removed the message that MAMEdev put there to tell you that the game has bugs.  ;)

A number of these games require very high specs to run full speed.  If you experience slowdown and sound stuttering, you probably just don't have enough horsepower to run the game.
My PC fell short of running a few of them.


ROM names and needed bios files correct as of MAME v.170

2/23 - Modified the Vertical list: Added Storm Blade, Super Space Invaders '91, and Namco Classics Collection 1.  Deleted Galaga and Xevious because they are included in Namco Classics.
2/24 - added back Galaga and Xevious


ORIGINAL POST:

Here's the idea:

All killer/No filler gamelists per genre for people who are interested in quality over quantity.
Yes it's subjective, but I trust the judgement of people with a passion for a genre.
This is not about listing every game in a genre.
That would put us right back up to scrolling through thousands of games, most of which suck.

Arcade games only

We'll start with Shmups because I think I already have a decent gamelist for them and I know there are some people here who love their shmups.
Also there are a fair number of dedicated shmup cab builds and this could act as a guide for them.

So what's missing?  What isn't so great and needs pulled?


MAME Vertical

1942
1943 KAI: MIDWAY KAISEN
19XX
AERO FIGHTERS SPECIAL
AIR GALLET
ARMED POLICE BATRIDER
BATSUGUN SPECIAL  VERSION
BATTLE BAKRAID:UNLIMITED VERSION
BATTLE GAREGGA
BELLS&WHISTLES
BIG BANG
BRAVE BLADE
COSMO GANG THE VIDEO
CYBATTLER
CYVERN
DESERT WAR
DIMAHOO
DODONPACHI
DODONPACHI DAI OU JOU
DODONPACHI II:BEE STORM
DOGYUUN
DRAGON BLAZE
DRAGON SPIRIT
ESP RA.DE.
ESPGALUDA
ESPGALUDA II
FEVER SOS
FINAL STAR FORCE
FLYING SHARK
GALAGA
GALAGA '88
GEMINI WING
GUN FRONTIER
GUNBIRD
GUNBIRD 2
GUNLOCK
GUWANGE
GYRUSS
IBARA KURO BLACK LABEL
JUNO FIRST
KETSUI:KIZUNA JIGOKU TACHI
LEGENDARY WINGS
LETHAL THUNDER
MACROSS PLUS
MAZINGER Z
MOON CREST A
MUCHI MUCHI PORK!
MUSHIHIME SAMA
MUSHIHIME SAMA FUTARI VER 1.5
NAMCO CLASSICS COLLECTION VOL. 1
NOSTRADAMUS
PHELIOS
PINK SWEETS:IBARA SOREKARA
PLUS ALPHA
RAIDEN
RAIDEN FIGHTERS 2
RAIDEN FIGHTERS JET
RAIDEN II
RYU JIN
SAMURAI ACES
SHIENARYU
SORCER STRIKER
SPACE INVADERS DX
STORM BLADE
STRIKERS 1945 II
STRIKERS 1945 III
SUPER SPACEFORTRESS MACROSS
SUPER SPACE INVADERS '91
TENKOMORI SHOOTING
TERRA CRESTA
THE GAME PARADISE:MASTER OF SHOOTING
TIME PILOT
TRUXTON
TWIN COBRA
TWIN COBRA II
TWIN EAGLE:REVENGE JOE'S BROTHER
TWIN EAGLE II:THE RESCUE MISSION
TWIN HAWK
ULTRA X WEAPONS
VASARA
VASARA 2
VIPER PHASE 1
WONDER PLANET
XEVIOUS

MAME Horizontal

AERO FIGHTERS 2
AIR BUSTER
ALPHA MISSION II
ANDRO DUNOS
BATTLE CHOPPER
BLACK HEART
BLAZE ON
BLAZING STAR
BOOGIE WINGS
BOSCONIAN
CARRIER AIR WING
CHOPLIFTER
CHUKA TAISEN
COBRA COMMAND
COTTON
COTTON 2
COTTON BOOMERANG
DARIUS
DARIUS GAIDEN:SILVER HAWK
DARIUS II
DEATHSMILES
DRAGON BREED
E.D.F.:EARTH DEFENSE FORCE
ECO FIGHTERS
FANTASTIC JOURNEY
G DARIUS VER.2
GALAXY FORCE 2
GIGA WING
GRADIUS
GRADIUS 4:FUKKATSU
GRADIUS III
GRATIA SECOND EARTH
HELLFIRE
HYPER DUEL
IN THE HUNT
KOUTETSU YOUSAI STRAHL
LAST RESORT
MARS MATRIX:HYPER SOLID SHOOTING
METAL BLACK
MYSTIC RIDERS
ORDYNE
P-47 THE PHANTOM FIGHTER
P-47 ACES
PARODIUS DA!
PREHISTORIC ISLE
PROGEAR
PULSTAR
R-TYPE
R-TYPE II
R-TYPE LEO
RADIANT SILVERGUN
RAIGA STRATOFIGHTER
RAY STORM
ROHGA ARMOR FORCE
SAINT DRAGON
SALAMANDER
SALAMANDER 2
SEXY PARODIUS
SIDEARMS
SOL DIVIDE:THE SWORD OF DARKENESS
SOUKYUGURENTAI:TERRA DIVER
SUPER SPACEFORTRESS MACROSS II
TENGAI
TERRA FORCE
THUNDER CROSS
THUNDER CROSS II
TWIN BEE YAHHOO!
TWINKLE STAR SPRITES
U.N. SQUADRON
X MULTIPLY
XEVIOUS 3D
XEXEX
ZERO WING

Sega Model 2 Horizontal

PILOT KIDS
ZERO GUNNER

Sega Naomi Vertical

IKARUGA
ILLVELO
KAROUS
MAMORU-KUN WA NOROWARETE SHIMATTA!
PSYVARIAR 2:THE WILL TO FABRICATE
RADIRGY
SHOOTING LOVE 2007
SHIKIGAMI NO SHIRO II
TRIGGER HEART EXELICA
TRIZEAL
UNDER DEFEAT

Sega Naomi Horizontal

BORDER DOWN
CHAOS FIELD
GIGA WING 2
RADIRGY NOA
ZERO GUNNER 2

Taito Type X Vertical

GIGAWING GENERATIONS
HOMURA
RAIDEN III
RAIDEN IV
SHIKIGAMI NO SHIRO III

Taito Type X Horizontal

TROUBLE WITCHES AC

I know I said arcade only, but someone who finds this list useful may also find this list of PC Shmups that support a Vertical monitor useful: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,143383.msg1487337.html#msg1487337
So I'm putting a link to it here.
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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #1 on: February 14, 2016, 11:04:17 pm »
I have some input on this list, but need some time to arrange my thoughts.   I see several that I would toss if we're truly going with quality over quantity.

Here are some I nominate for Chopping block

Chopper I
GridSeeker
Ibara  (just have black label?)
Raiden Fighters  (2 and jet better?)
Space Invaders (DX covers enough of what people actually care about)
Gorf  ( loses something without original hardware)
Storm Blade (still major graphic glitches in MAME I think)



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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2016, 03:05:37 am »
Batsugun Special Version is way more fun. 1944 is a major snore-fest.


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2016, 03:54:56 am »
For the vertical category, Truxton is a fine period shooter with some neat weapons. Yes, the enemy ships do resemble almond cookies.  ;D

For the horizontal list, I'd nominate Saint Dragon. It has extremely cool art and sound design, and mind-warpingly cool and functional player sprite animation.

I'd also suggest Sidearms for the horizontal list.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2016, 08:05:24 am »
I have some input on this list, but need some time to arrange my thoughts. 

I appreciate you taking the time to do that.

This is exactly the type of feedback I was looking for.
Scratched off some games.
Will add recommended ones after more discussion or giving them a play.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2016, 08:27:57 am »
After a very quick scan through, I personal would ditch Prehistoric Isle for the it's prequel, which is a much better game IMO. And, Time Pilot is missing.  ;)


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2016, 11:22:26 am »

Removes:

Lose Aero Fighters, and Replace with Aero Fighters Special (almost the same game, more fighter options)

Possibly lose DoDonPachi II (it's an okay game but vastly inferior to it's two predecessors and two contemporaries but don't do so on just my recommendation)

Lose Strikers Plus it blows

I'd also lose Strikers I because of repetition II and III are more critically acclaimed by most

UN defense force is super lame (but others might like)

Potential Adds

19XX (might be more highly regarded that 1943, though I like both)
Air Gallet (Sure it's hard but it's hard to deny it's graphics and soundtrack)
Gun Frontier  or Gun & Frontier ( Lots of Yagwa stuff rooted in this, it's hard as hell but has a very cool design)
Twinkle Star Sprites (mostly highly regarded in SHMUP community)


Adds that deserve heavier scrutiny (i.e. I love them but I also fancy myself a SHMUP connoisseur and may be outside normal tastes)

Ashura Blaster (Tatio's bastardization of Twin Cobra)
Bakuretsu Breaker or Exploding Breaker (Completely over the top silly, but somehow fun as heck)
Big Bang or Thunder Dragon 2 (what it lacks in graphics it makes up for in solid game play, shooting the words on the screen? heck yes)
Fighter & Attacker (Huge ship selection and variety of weapons)
Fighting Hawk (Taito's bastardization of Flying Shark and Twin Hawk)
Fire Barrel (if IREM made Raiden)
Fire Shark (cause it's Toaplan and spiritual sequel to Flying Shark)
Galamedes (has sort of a PC engine flavor, don't have many SHMUPS with this weapon power up system Blast off is the other that comes to mind if you prefer Namco)
Varth (Definitely better than UN Defense Force, and who doesn't love Capcom)



If I have time I'l look over the horizontal this afternoon.


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2016, 12:24:58 pm »
what he said

I agree with almost all of this. Except DoDonPachi II , while not as good as its predecessors is still a fun and engaging game. My wife fairs much better at DDPII over the others. I second 19XX. Of the Strikers 1945 games I like II the best and 1 the least (despite owning an HS5 clone cab with Strikers 1945 in it) III is better than 1 but not quite as good as II


With Galaga `88 in the mix, why even bother having Galaga, Galaxia, or Galaxian?

This list will come in handy for Alpha-Too


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2016, 02:44:47 pm »
I'm by no means a shmup expert, I don't even like them, but I'll throw in some vertical suggestions nonetheless. I don't know if these games are any good gameplay wise, but at least they look decent. Perhaps someone who does know a bit more about shmups can yay or veto them.

Blue Hawk - bluehawk.zip

Daioh - daioh.zip

Double Wings - dblewing.zip

Dogyuun - dogyuun.zip

Ketsui: Kizuna Jigoku Tachi - ket.zip

Red Hawk - redhawk.zip stagger1.zip

Space Bomber - sbomber.zip

Sengeki Striker - sengekis.zip

Turbo Force - turbofrc.zip

Zing Zing Zip - zingzip.zip
                  

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2016, 02:50:28 pm »
Good suggestions Yam

Blue Hawk is good, but I am sure the casual fan would be turned off by the difficulty and the graphics
Daioh is legit but the 6 buttons bother me, that's why I think the perfected spiritual successor Sheinryu is the one that belongs in list
Double wings is good (is it still glitchy in Mame?)
Dogyuun (really great Toaplan offering, unique game play element of combining P1 and P2 ships... though.... it seems like that would lead to arguments in the arcade...)
Ketsui... really that wasn't already in the list?
Red Hawk (graphics suck but I like the charge shot, this is one that's cusp in my mind)
Space Bomber, meh I think you get more from Attack of the Lunar Loonies but it's still fun
Sengeki Striker I've never been able to get into and I like Kaneko's Cyvern much more
Turbo Force might turn some people off that don't realize it gets harder the more you shoot.
Zing Zing Zip, fun even if a bit unoriginal.


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2016, 02:53:48 pm »
BadMouth

So yeah, I think paring down the list is really what you're after right?  I mean I think you should establish certain rules....  Here are the questions I have....

If a series is good, are we obligated to include all games from that series figuring that inevitably someone who likes one game will want all for completeness?

Do we feel compelled to keeps games in for historical or recognition significance?

Should a maximum # of games be imposed?

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2016, 02:56:28 pm »
I agree with almost all of this. Except DoDonPachi II , while not as good as its predecessors is still a fun and engaging game. My wife fairs much better at DDPII over the others. I second 19XX. Of the Strikers 1945 games I like II the best and 1 the least (despite owning an HS5 clone cab with Strikers 1945 in it) III is better than 1 but not quite as good as II


With Galaga `88 in the mix, why even bother having Galaga, Galaxia, or Galaxian?


Yeah, I was going to keep Dodonpachi II  because it's Dodon and I like it (even though I suck at all shmups).  ;D
I will update the list in the first post tonight.

The list will be even more useful after I add the rom names and needed bios files.
This is hopefully the first step in a long-term project of making a set of batch files to copy over only the needed roms for an "all killer/no filler" romset.
It doesn't seem so insurmountable when chopped up into genre gamelists of less than 200 games (which I already have my front-end divided into).

The shmups gamelist was the cleanest, so I started with it.

Vs Fighters are going to be a PITA.  I just threw everything in there and figured I'd weed out the crap later, but I never got around to it.
I'll try to trim out the obvious crap before posting it.

We'll see how it goes.  If this one works out well, I'll do sports next since it should be a fairly short list.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2016, 03:05:54 pm »
If a series is good, are we obligated to include all games from that series figuring that inevitably someone who likes one game will want all for completeness?

No, that's how we end up with too many games IMO.
This will be especially important when we get to the fighting games.
Do you really need every variation of Street Fighter II?
I have them all now, but only ever play Champion Edition
 (or the Neo Geo fighters that had a new version every year for a decade)

That said, the Run 'N Gun list will have every Metal Slug.  :lol

Do we feel compelled to keeps games in for historical or recognition significance?
Yeah, if it was a super popular game everyone would expect to see on a 60-in-1.
More about popularity than historical significance though.
No "this is the first game that allowed you to drop bombs, so it's historically significant"

Should a maximum # of games be imposed?
I'd rather not limit ourselves to an arbitrary number.
There might be 151 great games.  The one shouldn't get left out because we decided 150 was the magic number.

This and the Vs Fighters will be the big ones.
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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2016, 03:12:19 pm »
I'm by no means a shmup expert, I don't even like them, but I'll throw in some vertical suggestions nonetheless. I don't know if these games are any good gameplay wise, but at least they look decent.

I'll check them out, but adding games without knowing anything about them is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.
Like I said, we aren't making a list of every game in the genre.  There are tools that can do that for you.

What I want is the opinion of the people who are into the genre and know the games.


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2016, 03:14:32 pm »
Double wings is good (is it still glitchy in Mame?)

I'm using MAME 0.161 and couldn't find any. I haven't played it much, though.

Ketsui... really that wasn't already in the list?

Hmmm, of course it is. :banghead: I don't know why I got the impression that it isn't. 

Space Bomber, meh I think you get more from Attack of the Lunar Loonies but it's still fun

I chose it because of the cute graphics, I kinda like it. Attack of the Lunar Loonies is Space Invaders, which I hate with a passion.
                  

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #15 on: February 15, 2016, 03:22:56 pm »
I'm by no means a shmup expert, I don't even like them, but I'll throw in some vertical suggestions nonetheless. I don't know if these games are any good gameplay wise, but at least they look decent.

I'll check them out, but adding games without knowing anything about them is exactly what I'm trying to avoid.
Like I said, we aren't making a list of every game in the genre.  There are tools that can do that for you.

What I want is the opinion of the people who are into the genre and know the games.

That's why I asked for someone more knowledgeable to yay or veto them, which harveybirdman did. Just because I'm no expert at this doesn't necessarily mean that the games I like have to bad. Just check them out, if you like them, cool, if you don't, well it was worth a shot  :dunno
                  

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #16 on: February 15, 2016, 03:25:37 pm »
Horizontal delete

I thinks Cotton 2 and Boomerang are the same game with the latter being an improvement but I don't have a problem with both on list
Dragon Breed should be in the horizontal no?

Some Horizontals to consider (no brainers bolded)

4D Warriors
Air Buster
Airwolf
Andro Dunos
Atomic Robo-Kid
Chuka Taisen
Cobra Command
Gratia Second Earth
Hacha Mecha Fighter
Hyper Duel
Koutetsu Yousai Strahl
Metal Black
Ordyne
Scramble
Thunder Cross
Thunder Cross II
U.N. Squadron
X Multiply
Zero Wing

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #17 on: February 15, 2016, 03:30:50 pm »
That's why I asked for someone more knowledgeable to yay or veto them, which harveybirdman did. Just because I'm no expert at this doesn't necessarily mean that the games I like have to bad. Just check them out, if you like them, cool, if you don't, well it was worth a shot  :dunno

Well, in your earlier post you didn't say they were games you LIKED.
You said "they look decent" which I took to mean that you thought they looked good in pictures or video, but didn't have any experience with them.
You playing it and liking it does matter.



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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2016, 04:40:31 pm »
Ah, that's a misunderstanding. I like them. I'm not a fan of shmups in general, but when I build my next cab (vertical lowboy), those will definitely be on the list. By 'they look decent' I'm referring to the graphics and the graphics alone. When going through the whole romset I've seen many games that look far worse.
Granted, I haven't played these games for long, that's why I asked for a confirmation. I see it as 'if someone who isn't into the genre likes them, there might be someting to it'.
So, if you're willing to give them a chance - maybe one or even two will make the list, maybe not. I'm cool with any decision  :cheers:
                  

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2016, 05:01:59 pm »
I agree with 19XX and ddp2 must be there too, this gamelist will be great for a dedicated shmup cabinet  :cheers:

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2016, 07:24:33 pm »
Alright, list updated.  I added the must haves and some of the maybes.
The MAME list is at 162, with 86 vert and 76 horizontal.

This is a PITA when you get to the ones on the fringe.  I'm like "yeah it looks ok, but it looks like a lot of other things, meh probably wouldn't ever play it" 

Whenever I get around to creating a batch file to copy the roms, I plan to play test every one to see what bios files are needed.  I might trim a few then.

Not looking to make the list any longer, but thoughts on it's current state?


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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #21 on: February 15, 2016, 07:33:52 pm »
We can debate some but I'm hoping to recommend 12 out.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #22 on: February 15, 2016, 07:39:06 pm »
I started getting the rom file names and realized something that might be an issue if I'm going to turn this into a batch file to copy over only the needed roms.

1943u.zip (US version) is a clone of the Japanese version 1943kai.zip

I have split sets, so I don't need the parent rom.
Other people might have merged roms or not know what they have.

So I think I'll make the batch file so it also copies a parent rom if needed.
This will cause a few duplicates, but I think it's better than insisting on people having split sets.

Does that sound reasonable?

EDIT:
Meh, most of these have the Japanese version as the parent.
I don't want to have to manually delete every other game from my gamelist.
Others might just have to fend for themselves.

Either that, or I'll have to do two versions of the batch files.  :-\

DOUBLE EDIT:  Eh it's not too bad, just hit a few in a row at the beginning.  I'll just comment out the lines to copy the parents and people can delete semicolons if they don't have a split set.
I'm using progettoemma to get the rom names and it also mentions when a separate bios file is needed.  :)
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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #23 on: February 15, 2016, 08:42:25 pm »
OK, got the rom names for the vertical list done.

Seems the "World Version" is the parent for most.
Any issue with using that rom over others (US version)?

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #24 on: February 15, 2016, 09:46:20 pm »
OK, got the rom names for the vertical list done.

Seems the "World Version" is the parent for most.
Any issue with using that rom over others (US version)?

World versions are usually okay but their are notable exceptions.

Xexex is much better in the Japanese version,  power ups are handled differently in the Thunder Cross II versions.   They're may be a few more but those two definitely come to mind.  Haze would know more.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #25 on: February 16, 2016, 09:55:46 am »
Here's my 10 first outs

Blue Hawk (if you're going to put in Dooyong, I think R Shark is better)
Double Wings (Not over Gekirindan, BTW is that in the list?)
Dr. Toppel's Adventure (Cute em ups covered nicely with Plus Alpha, Bells and Whistles, and Wonder Planet)
Jackal (I mean I know it's technically a SHMUP but it feels more like a Run & Gun to me)
Mad Shark (I like Mad Shark but.... We've already got a few Raiden ripoffs)
Twin Eagle (Music is fun, and I own this PCB, but there's just so much better)
Aero Figthers 2  (Not a big enough change to justify over special)
Aero Fighters 3  (ditto)
Ark Area   (it's definitely unique, but I don't think it would get much playing time, that's just me though)

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #26 on: February 16, 2016, 10:18:43 am »
Here's my 10 first outs

Blue Hawk (if you're going to put in Dooyong, I think R Shark is better)
Double Wings (Not over Gekirindan, BTW is that in the list?)
Dr. Toppel's Adventure (Cute em ups covered nicely with Plus Alpha, Bells and Whistles, and Wonder Planet)
Jackal (I mean I know it's technically a SHMUP but it feels more like a Run & Gun to me)
Mad Shark (I like Mad Shark but.... We've already got a few Raiden ripoffs)
Twin Eagle (Music is fun, and I own this PCB, but there's just so much better)
Aero Figthers 2  (Not a big enough change to justify over special)
Aero Fighters 3  (ditto)
Ark Area   (it's definitely unique, but I don't think it would get much playing time, that's just me though)

Agreed except for Twin Eagle.  Dunno what it is, but the fact that it's a helicopter instead of a jet or space ship does something for me.
Probably nostalgia from playing a lot of Desert Strike on the Sega Genesis when I was a kid.

EDIT: Decided to keep Aero Fighters 2 because it's horizontal and the original is vertical.

A number of these games are marked as "working, but with problems" on progettoemma.
There will probably be a couple that get weeded out because of that once we start play-testing.

For the MAME games we are at 79 Vertical, 76 Horizontal. (155 Total)
Much more balanced than I anticipated.
No point in arbitrarily balancing them though.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS
« Reply #27 on: February 16, 2016, 10:27:08 am »
Twin Eagle is pretty fun.... I just wist the sprites were colored better, the look is a bit bland.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #28 on: February 16, 2016, 10:32:06 pm »
Batch files to copy the MAME roms from a full romset are attached to the first post.
I tested the batch files, but haven't tested the games yet.

Needed bios files are included in both the horizontal and vertical bats so they can be used independently.
(so if you combine them, there will be duplicates of some of the bios files....just overwrite them)

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #29 on: February 17, 2016, 01:26:25 am »
I like the list a lot, but I think Galaga should still be on it. I like to play both Galaga and Galaga 88.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #30 on: February 17, 2016, 09:42:25 am »
I like the list a lot, but I think Galaga should still be on it. I like to play both Galaga and Galaga 88.

Added back.
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I started paring down my Vs Fighter list last night.
It hasn't been as hard as I thought it would be.
There is a good amount of concensus among fans of a series which games are the best and which ones were weak money grabs.



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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #31 on: February 17, 2016, 09:52:30 am »
Just make sure it has JoJo's Bizarre Adventure on it and I'll be happy!

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #32 on: February 17, 2016, 10:05:15 am »
Just make sure it has JoJo's Bizarre Adventure on it and I'll be happy!

Yeah it's there.  I thought it would be premature to post it before the shmups list is 100% finished and play tested.
It's down to 70 something games.  The ones I'm most on the fence about are the SF2 era attempts by other companies.
Fighting games were just kind of clunky back then, even SF2.

A big chunk of the great fighting games are not playable in MAME, but are hacked Taito Type X or can be played with Demul
 (or Makaron if your PC can't handle Demul.  Mine is seriously choking on the newest Dx11 versions).

Eh, I guess we could go ahead and start discussing it.
If I feel the need to avoid work any more today, maybe I'll go ahead and post it.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #33 on: February 17, 2016, 10:51:46 am »
Noticed a small error on the list:
Homura is a vertical game (at least the one I have, if there's multiple versions floating around).

Looking forward to the list for VS fighters, and hoping there's a list planned for side scrolling beat-em-ups (like Final Fight and TMNT). No rush though. There's enough games on this Shumps list to keep me occupied for probably a month or so.

Also wanted to make sure, but do any of these ROMs need to be marked "mature"? Not sure if mature Shumps even exist in MAME, but I'd personally like to avoid them.
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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #34 on: February 17, 2016, 11:23:09 am »
Nice work Badmouth!  I like that you split the lists from Vertical and Horizontal, for those who want to build a dedicated vertical cabinet.

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #35 on: February 17, 2016, 12:14:21 pm »
Nice work! this will save a lot of time for people like me looking to build dedicated cabs  :cheers: :cheers:

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #36 on: February 17, 2016, 12:19:52 pm »
Noticed a small error on the list:
Homura is a vertical game (at least the one I have, if there's multiple versions floating around).

Looking forward to the list for VS fighters, and hoping there's a list planned for side scrolling beat-em-ups (like Final Fight and TMNT). No rush though. There's enough games on this Shumps list to keep me occupied for probably a month or so.

Also wanted to make sure, but do any of these ROMs need to be marked "mature"? Not sure if mature Shumps even exist in MAME, but I'd personally like to avoid them.

Fixed.  Yeah, the non-mame ones just got thrown aside while getting MAME squared away.
I need to scrutinize them some more.  Pretty sure there are graphics glitches in a couple of them as well.

Sexy Parodious is the only game that could be considered Mature, but I don't think there is any outright nudity.  Something to check for during play testing.
This warrants more discussion.  Should it be dropped?

I already have my front-end divided up by genre gamelists, so the starting points are already there.
I have lists for:

Shmups
Vs Fighters
Sports
Puzzles
Run N' Gun
Beat Em Up/Hack N' Slash (same play mechanic IMO, so I combined them)
Platformers
Classics

It doesn't matter if there is some overlap.
All the wrestling games are currently under sports, but I was thinking about adding them to Vs Fighters because if someone builds a dedicated fighters cab they'd probably want the wrastlin' on there.

The biggest PITA is that my gamelists include the games playable on emulators other than MAME, so I have to try to remember which ones they are, what other emulator they run on and then and separate them out before posting them.




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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #37 on: February 18, 2016, 03:45:02 am »
Suggestion : How about changing the batch files so that the _horshmups and _vertshmups folders are automatically created ?

_horshmups.txt : Change the line ;create a folder named _hortshmups inside your mame roms folder to md _horshmups.

_vertshmups.txt : Change  the line ;create a folder named _vertshmups inside your mame roms folder to md _vertshmups.
                  

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #38 on: February 18, 2016, 08:22:14 am »
My question is:  Where does Donkey Kong 3 fit? More of a Galaga style shooter than a platform, if you ask me. ? :dunno

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Re: All Killer, No Filler Gamelists Part 1 - SHMUPS almost finalized
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2016, 09:02:01 am »
Suggestion : How about changing the batch files so that the _horshmups and _vertshmups folders are automatically created ?

_horshmups.txt : Change the line ;create a folder named _hortshmups inside your mame roms folder to md _horshmups.

_vertshmups.txt : Change  the line ;create a folder named _vertshmups inside your mame roms folder to md _vertshmups.

Awesome, thank you so much.  :cheers:
This is how I wanted it to work, but for some reason I didn't take the time to look up how to do it.

I'm about halfway through play testing the vertical ones.  A good number of them have a nag screen in MAME saying the emulation isn't 100% perfect, but they're too much fun to leave out.  I noticed the cave games are back in the latest version of Demul, so I guess that's another option now.
We should be able to button this up by next week.
 :cheers: