Does ATOM-15 work for HD5000, 6000 and 7000?

[R-Typer]

Hi!

Can we flash HD5000, 6000 and 7000 series with patched bios roms?

I went ahead and flashed my 7700 and it seems to work fine. I dont know if it is related but the only problem is that in VMMaker Im getting almost all video resolutions rejected by driver. I tried everything.

Thanks!

[Calamity]

Great! I hadn't read any report of a 7000 card having been flashed. I've tested myself the 5450 and 6450 and they work fine.

Are you testing CRT Emudriver 2.0? The regular AMD driver will reject low resolutions.

[R-Typer]

After numerous installations of crtemu 2.0 drivers, the only driver I have running is dated 3/5/2012 version 8.951.1.0.

When I try to install crtemu 2.0 it shows that it has found compatible 7770 device. Then I click on Install and then it says about certificate which I have already successfully installed. And that's it..  Then it asks for reboot and when it reboots PC, the ati drivers version in Device Manager>Display Adapters says 3/5/2012 version 8.951.1.0.  It says the same version also in Arcade OSD: 12 8.951

If I try to install .inf file then I get BSODs and makes Windows BSOD on each startup everytime. So I have to re-image the Windows from backup all over.

Also VMMaker says it has found driver 1.2 8.951.

I'm using Windows 10 x64.


Please help. Thanks!!!

[R-Typer]

I have re-imaged windows 7 x64 and installed crt emu 2.0 drivers. Now VMMaker and arcade osd say that the driver is version 13.1

It has probably failed to install again I guess. Neither in Win10 nor Win7.

[R-Typer]

I managed to install crt emu drivers 2.0 in Windows 7 by going to Device Managers>Display Adapter and manually pointing to the location to drivers. Immediately after that, I run VMMaker and successfully generated video resolutions.

Now all is working fine in Windows 7 x64.

However, in windows 10 if I try to install the crt emu 2.0 drivers the same way I did in Windows 7, all I am getting are BSODs.

Also, in windows 10 my 4850 has the same problems as 7770. So 7770 is fine.

Something in windows 10 prevents installation of crt emu 2.0 drivers. Or perhaps there is a problem with digital certification?

[Calamity]

Great, thanks a lot for your tests.

I only labelled this as W10 compatible because there was a test done by Dr Venom a while ago where he could successfully install the drivers on 10 after some iterations, but that was with the other 13.1 based package.

I thought this version would behave the same. It is actually based on the stock drivers shipped with the Windows 8.1 cd, which is much more convenient for me to patch than the 13.1 one.

I'm concerned about the problem installing the package through the provided installer in Windows 7. This new installer has been written by me from scratch. It's working pretty well here for both W7 and 8. But there must be something beyond my control if it's not working there. When Windows reverts to a different version of the driver, it is because it decides it has a better driver than the one we're trying to install. My drivers have modified dates to make Windows believe they are newer, however the decision algorithm Windows uses is not clear.

One thing you can do is before installing CRT Emudriver, go into device manager and manually uninstall the Windows provided display driver. Windows will prompt you if you want to remove the associated software (this is important), check this option. Now Windows will recognized the card as "VGA safe" or something like that. At this point it doesn't have a "better" driver to throw on us.

So is the 7700 performing fine on GM? This would be great news.

[R-Typer]

One thing you can do is before installing CRT Emudriver, go into device manager and manually uninstall the Windows provided display driver. Windows will prompt you if you want to remove the associated software (this is important), check this option. Now Windows will recognized the card as "VGA safe" or something like that. At this point it doesn't have a "better" driver to throw on us.

I did as you suggested and got Microsoft basic display adapter. I then tried to install driver either by your Setup.exe or Have Disk. Both failed to detect HD 4850 and installl any driver.

Microsoft basic display adapter just sits there and cant do anything.

[Calamity]

Are you trying the new beta 3?

[R-Typer]

No I'm not... I was unaware of Beta 3 being released. I will try it right away.

[Calamity]

My fault, I should have warned you. It turned out to be a certificate issue as you suggested.

[R-Typer]

Unfortunately, nothing has changed with latest Beta 3. It behaves exactly the same as Beta 2. This is for windows 10.

[Calamity]

I can't see the test mode watermark on your screen shot. Did it actually get applied? I have no experience with 10.

[R-Typer]

Yeah, Im using Watermark removing tools. I'll check it out if the test mode was on or off. Will let ya know.

Thanks Calamity, I really appreciate your help!

[R-Typer]

I have double checked that test mode is on and driver signature enforcement is being off. Just in case to be sure, I have performed all the procedures to install crt emu driver beta3 all over again.

Have Disk gives BSOD and Setup.exe doesnt install the driver.

I also tried to delete ati drivers and was left with only microsoft basic display driver. This failed to install beta3 as well.

[R-Typer]

I have just noticed something.

If beta3 drivers folder is located in a subfolder then your setup.exe installer fails to install. But if the driver folder is located in a root of a drive, then the installation behaves differently, got BSOD instead of "drivers installation successful" messages like before. I kept crt emu drivers installation folder in another folder and this was probably the reason why it didnt want to install sucessfuly on win 7 and win 8.

I have reimaged windows 10. And tried again. When I click on setup.exe, instalation proceeds but ends up with the following error message: error: the driver installation failed: 0 The operation completed successfully.

If I try Have Disk then I get this:

[Calamity]

Oh: "Driver is not intended for this platform", interesting, let me have a look.

A big thanks for testing all this btw.

[Calamity]

This is is the link I talked about above:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,146568.msg1526653.html#msg1526653

[Calamity]

This version should at least get installed (whether it causes a bsod is another matter):

beta 4

[R-Typer]

Success!!!

Driver is installing properly now on win 7 and win 8

Driver did cause BSOD the first time when installed on windows 10, but after restart there it is:

[R-Typer]

Now Im gonna test vmmaker and see how groovymame works on HD4850.

If everything checks out, then I'll test HD7770.

Thank you Calamity!!! 

[Calamity]

Great!!! Thank you for testing!!

[R-Typer]

Right after vmmaker generates video modes and I install them, the video signal goes to 480p and I lose the picture on my TV. So Im forced to plugin svga monitor and once I do that there is no way I can get back to 15khz video modes again.

I never had problem like this one so I dont know what to do. I tried to switch in List Modes to 640x480@30hz but when I plug Scart cables picure doesnt show and then it goes back to 480p signal.

I noticed I can hotplug the vga cable but will the picure show if I hotplug the scart cable when 15khz signal is supposed to show?

I havent learned these basic stuff because I never had problems switching to 15khz modes before.

This issue I have only in windows 10.

[R-Typer]

I installed ultravnc, a tool similar to remote desktop, to see what is happening when the 15khz video signal is lost.

Everything seems to work fine then, I can adjust resolutions with arcadeosd and so on. But there is no picture on my scart tv. Just no signal once windows 10 is supposed to show desktop. There is 15khz signal while bios is showing however.

I tried to set video outputs to primary and secondary port and even duplicate but didnt get the picture on tv either way.

Maybe vmmaker didnt generate video modes properly? I'll get you a screenshot in a moment.

[R-Typer]

Here you can see what Vmmaker has generated and what ArcadeOSD shows.

None of these resolutions show on my scart TV.

[Calamity]

If you plug a pc monitor at the point the image is lost, what frequency is shown on the monitor's osd?
Everything looks fine from your screenshots.

[Calamity]

BTW how are you connecting your TV? I suspect of another polarity issue.

[R-Typer]

My TV is connected with an ordinary vga to scart cable I made following these instructions:
http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/index.html

However, it has been working for a couple of years on the same Sony 27" PAL trinitron TV.

[Calamity]

My TV is connected with an ordinary vga to scart cable I made following these instructions:
http://www.idiots.org.uk/vga_rgb_scart/index.html

However, it has been working for a couple of years on the same Sony 27" PAL trinitron TV.

No doubt it has been working, but with the old polarity settings. Please check this post when you have the time: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,148919.msg1552995.html#msg1552995

[R-Typer]

I edited the line: crt_range0 15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.192, 1.024, 1, 1, 192, 288, 448, 576

Then generated video modes and installed. Unfortunately nothing has changed, no video signal and arcadeosd doesnt seem to switch resolutions anymore.

I will double check this once more to be sure.

BTW, I noticed that Im getting \\.\DISPLAY20  I dont know if that matters. Check out the screenshot below:

[Vaderman]

I have exactly the same behavior here. Ati 4350, windows 7 x64, sony trinitron 21" and latest beta of crt emudriver. I have tried changing the polarity too, but it doesn't work either.

In the same machine with xp 64 and crt emudriver 1.2b I have no problems.

PS: Sorry for my bad english.

[Calamity]

BTW, I noticed that Im getting \\.\DISPLAY20  I dont know if that matters. Check out the screenshot below:

This is normal after restarting the display device, it gets back to normal device numbers if you restart the session. It doesn't affect the normal functionality.

[Calamity]

I have exactly the same behavior here. Ati 4350, windows 7 x64, sony trinitron 21" and latest beta of crt emudriver. I have tried changing the polarity too, but it doesn't work either.

In the same machine with xp 64 and crt emudriver 1.2b I have no problems.

PS: Sorry for my bad english.

Hi Vaderman,

Please start a different thread, I doubt it's the same problem and this is about windows 10.

I've done all my tests on windows 7-64 and an HD 4350, and it does work.

[Calamity]

R-Typer, could you check the frequency on a pc monitor's osd?

I'd like to know whether there's no signal at all or it's only out of sync. Also, did you try hot switching the vga cable from one output to the other? You should have video at least on one of them.

[R-Typer]

Will do Calamity, as soon as I get my old vga crt monitor to dry up. It was stored in a cold room.

[R-Typer]

Hi!

This is what crt vga monitor OSD says immediately after vmmaker installs the video modes and scart TV display goes off:

15.6khz   (OSD displays 15.6khz in red color)
60hz
No Signal

If I run vmmaker again (through remote desktop) it detects vga monitor and turns it on with 1280x1024@60Hz resolution. ArcadeOSD still works and I can choose 15Khz video modes. If a 15Khz video mode is selected, my vga crt monitor just turns itself off. No picture on both vga crt and scart TV.

If I extend display in drivers to display 2, then I get ordinary svga resolution signal on graphics card port 2 and no signal on graphics card port 1 (on which scart cable is connected).

[Calamity]

Hi!

This is what crt vga monitor OSD says immediately after vmmaker installs the video modes and scart TV display goes off:

15.6khz   (OSD displays 15.6khz in red color)
60hz
No Signal

Very interesting. Thanks a lot for testing with the pc monitor. I know these tests are a real pain in the ass carrying monitors and cables around the house, I appreciate it really.

So it is outputting 15.6 kHz.

I have to say I'm very intrigued about your cable. Yesterday I didn't visit to the link you posted, but now that I've read it, it looks like that cable requires composite sync. Are you positive your using that exact cable design? I'm actually surprised that it has ever worked, unless you had activated composite sync independently by other means.

[R-Typer]

I think that is my cable but cant be sure since it was long time ago.

Nevermind, I'll make another cable tommorow. Please post the link to the proper rgb scart cable instructions.

[Calamity]

I think that is my cable but cant be sure since it was long time ago.

Nevermind, I'll make another cable tommorow. Please post the link to the proper rgb scart cable instructions.

I'd be very surprised if that is actually your cable. There are a few designs floating around, but all use some components to obtain c-sync combining h and v sync.

[Calamity]

Do you get sync if you use VMMaker 1.4b over those drivers?

[R-Typer]

Yup, its working now. I ran vmmaker 1.4b and all display modes are showing. No issues with lost signal.