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| Le Chuck:
--- Quote from: pbj on April 27, 2015, 10:05:21 am ---Sure, sure, but the military sure does a hell of a lot of recruitment from small towns and territories where the locals don't have many options. My high school made every damn one of us take the ASVAB. Gets selective if you want to do anything besides be a human shield but let's not pretend they're only accepting college graduates. --- End quote --- That's fair, I'd be interested to know if the old HS Alma mater is still requiring the same. And while the services do still technically accept HS diploma equivalency the slots of such are dwindling rapidly. Any current serving US Soldier that has a GED but no additional education is very likely to be administratively separated during the next force reduction cut. To limit the derail all I'm saying is that if these kids have an inkling of interest in serving their country (or another country found due south of them) they need to stay in school to have any sort of real career. I think looking into trade programs might be a good alternative, I have some local friends who are fitters that earn close to what I do. While the work isn't easy it is in high demand and they enjoy it. Ditto some of the electricians I know. There's something to be said about the apprenticeship programs that are out there. Also, you said human shield and I couldn't help picturing South Park the movie. Lulz. |
| dkersten:
--- Quote from: ark_ader on April 27, 2015, 06:32:54 am --- Also if you are 16 and hate High School, then you should get your GED and get a job or enlist in the military. The latter would be beneficial to the OP and his charges. --- End quote --- U.S. Army takes something like 6% GED's (the rest need high school diplomas), Air Force takes about the same, Marines and Navy take 1-2%. Unless you can score crazy high on your tests, you aren't getting in with a GED. Besides, nearly every high school dropout is trying to get away from authority, not add more to their lives. That being said, if something happens in your life and you make some bad decisions and end up dropping out of high school, then do whatever you can to get your GED and if you can swing military, it will give you a better leg up than any other option available. Just goes to show you how much more difficult you have made your life, and each option after your choice to drop out will require more and more work. There are always exceptions. The one thing I feel I was successful in as a father to my son was teaching him a good work ethic, and as soon as he pulled his head out of his ass and started applying that work ethic, he was suddenly an invaluable employee in what started as a minimum wage job. Now he is a manager of that establishment (after a year) and the owner is looking to make him the youngest general manager in that organization (opening a new location soon and putting him in charge) with a salary of 62k per year. He got there purely on the basis of working hard and doing what needed to be done, even if he wasn't getting paid to go the extra mile. 14 months after getting the job and now a few months after being made manager, his biggest gripe is the laziness of his employees and their willingness to get by doing as little work as possible. The degree will get you in the door, but it is your work ethic that will keep you there and get you promotions. If you don't have that degree, then you better know someone because business is all about people, and getting a good job is all about who you know. If you don't know people, then be prepared to start at the bottom and put on a smile for getting a job doing the sh*t detail.. |
| Xiaou2:
--- Quote from: shponglefan on April 26, 2015, 10:54:56 pm --- --- Quote from: Xiaou2 on April 26, 2015, 01:00:17 pm ---Schooling doesnt prove character, drive, adaptability, attitude, nor work ethic. It barely teaches you the ability to "Think" for oneself. But, because so many people are so Judgmental... its best to have the degree, else some zombie clown, will try to hold you down. --- End quote --- The thing is, if you're an employer and you have to pick from a selection of applicants, you don't have much to go by other than credentials and references. And in the former department, if a person cannot even finish high school, are they someone I would want to hire? Having a diploma demonstrates that a person can at least finish something, is probably trainable, and likely does not have the types of issues that leads one to dropping out. Doesn't automatically mean they are going to be a good employee, but it does cut down on the perceived risk. --- End quote --- Actually, it doesnt prove that. People cheat in school all the time.. as well as teachers passing students... even though they didnt deserve to pass. Yes, Ive had to start out at the bottom many times. And Ive worked my tail off to do the best I could. As such, I have a long list of shining references, both on the job... as well as good personal relationships outside of work... and that counts a Lot for what people see on paper. They see a friendly guy with a nice smile... who can communicate professionally. Whos responsible and a hard worker. Who gets along fine with his co-workers. Who often goes the extra mile, to do things right / on schedule. Who dresses appropriately, has good hygiene, and is effectively early for any interview. While some do put on a good show... generally you can also read a persons expressions, body language, and even in their pace & tone of voice... to be able to tell what kind of person you are dealing with... in regards to work ethic. Dropping out for me, wasnt because I didnt want to complete. It was because of hell in the homestead. Everyone has their reasons... and we shouldnt make assumptions. I personally tell them my situation. People are pretty understanding. As Dkersten said, it can be about whom ya know as well. Doesnt matter even if you are far more qualified than the next joe... if that said joe is a good friend of the boss.. you may be denied your spot. |
| pbj:
If life has settled down, why not get the GED now? ??? |
| Vigo:
--- Quote from: Xiaou2 on April 27, 2015, 01:13:46 pm --- --- Quote from: shponglefan on April 26, 2015, 10:54:56 pm ---Having a diploma demonstrates that a person can at least finish something, is probably trainable, and likely does not have the types of issues that leads one to dropping out. Doesn't automatically mean they are going to be a good employee, but it does cut down on the perceived risk. --- End quote --- Actually, it doesnt prove that. People cheat in school all the time.. as well as teachers passing students... even though they didnt deserve to pass. --- End quote --- Cheating in one class to pass it. Easily doable. Cheating to get through all your classes to graduate. Unlikely. |
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