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Need help with my Christmas list
« on: November 18, 2014, 03:30:58 pm »
I've been lurking here off and on for years since we built our new house and I started finishing the basement. The basement is just about done, finishing bar area now.  Every year the wife and kids ask what I want for Christmas and every year I tell them nothing, well this year I said I want the pieces to build a control panel for an arcade machine and the wife said "awesome, get me a shopping list"!  It seems the more I read the more confused I get. I'm leaning towards a four player panel, primarily for mame. I'll be playing mostly 70's-80's one and two player games but have a teenage boy that will want to play fighters, etc with his pals. I'd like a trackball as well.

Do any of the vendors offer prepackaged components or can you guys help me put together a list of the best currently available components to have her purchase?  Sorry if this has been asked and answered multiple times but like I said the more I read the further I got confused.

Edit: Looks like the four player is probably not worth the bother.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 05:55:40 pm by Karpro »

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2014, 03:42:39 pm »
I've been lurking here off and on for years since we built our new house and I started finishing the basement. The basement is just about done, finishing bar area now.  Every year the wife and kids ask what I want for Christmas and every year I tell them nothing, well this year I said I want the pieces to build a control panel for an arcade machine and the wife said "awesome, get me a shopping list"!  It seems the more I read the more confused I get. I'm leaning towards a four player panel, primarily for mame. I'll be playing mostly 70's-80's one and two player games but have a teenage boy that will want to play fighters, etc with his pals. I'd like a trackball as well.

Do any of the vendors offer prepackaged components or can you guys help me put together a list of the best currently available components to have her purchase?  Sorry if this has been asked and answered multiple times but like I said the more I read the further I got confused.

I say go 2 players. Your son and his friends will play it for a week or two then move on. If you're mainly playing 70s and 80s games, you won't need more than two.  :cheers:
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2014, 03:49:26 pm »
You can find that on ebay.

Which websites are you familiar with?   Check out kadevice.com, arcadeemulator.Net, Groovygamegear.com,  ultimarc.com & paradisearcadeshop.com

Get a shopping list ready to get a sense of budget. 

Mostly everyone can sell you jumpers for the encoder you choose.

Consider this:

What are your top ten games?
Can you play them on the same control panel? 

Are you familiar with the 4 player pedestal that was the hotness this summer? 

I'm on the mobile now, so finding the links is tedious; check out the wiki, and the UCAs.   Do you have an inspirational cabinet?
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2014, 03:51:00 pm »
Dude.  Buy a Tankstick and call it good.   >:D

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2014, 03:54:22 pm »
Dude.  Buy a Tankstick and call it good.   >:D

 :cheers:
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2014, 04:44:06 pm »
Am I right that these are the only games that are 3/4 player in MAME? 

4 Player Simultaneous MAME
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder
NBA Jam
Sunset Riders
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The Simpsons
Vendetta
X-Men

3 Player Simultaneous MAME
Alien vs Predator
Iron Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
Rampage

If so, a two player probably does the trick

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2014, 04:48:24 pm »
Connect two USB gamepads, throw them behind the coin door if so equipped and always leave them plugged in. Instant 4P.

Seriously, if you're adding 4P because of some teens, they'll definitely lose interest eventually.
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #8 on: November 18, 2014, 04:53:54 pm »
I'd agree -- 2 player should do fine the player 3 and 4 will barely ever get used and if you do find the need for the 4 player setup it gives you an excuse to build the second machine !! (and the wife will already see that the first one gets used so will be more likely to let you spend the $ and count it as the kids gifts next year rather than taking it out of your budget  :laugh2: )

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2014, 04:55:42 pm »
Am I right that these are the only games that are 3/4 player in MAME? 

4 Player Simultaneous MAME
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder
NBA Jam
Sunset Riders
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The Simpsons
Vendetta
X-Men

3 Player Simultaneous MAME
Alien vs Predator
Iron Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
Rampage

If so, a two player probably does the trick

Do you care about Robotron?  Smash TV?

There is nothing wrong with doing this in stages.  Save us!  We haven't begun to talk about horizontal vs vertical, CRT vs LCD or 4:3 vs 16:9 vs 16:10.


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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2014, 05:12:11 pm »

Do you care about Robotron?  Smash TV?

There is nothing wrong with doing this in stages.  Save us!  We haven't begun to talk about horizontal vs vertical, CRT vs LCD or 4:3 vs 16:9 vs 16:10.

You can play Robotron on a 2 player panel easily.  :P
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2014, 05:25:04 pm »

Like the others before me it is all about asking the right questions up front, then you establish what you really want and then we can help you find it:

Do you want to build it yourself or are you looking to buy a finished product?

What games are you looking to play (this will dictate many things such as number of players, number of buttons, types of joysticks, orientation of monitor, type of monitor, etc)?  This list should be as specific as you can make it.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2014, 05:39:53 pm »
You may also want to check out Arcades R Fun for a pre-built panel.  Jack is a stand up guy and can make any custom design you need.  http://arcadesrfun.com/

Also worth mentioning is NorthEast Custom Arcades:  http://www.mameroom.com/Products_kits.asp

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2014, 05:44:27 pm »
This will be a scratch build, that seems to be half the fun, if not more. I will play the classics (Space invaders, pac man, asteroids, galago, donkey kong) golden tee would be one of the newer games I'd play.  The boy and his friends will be more into the fighter games.  Probably going to be LCD mounted horizontally, big enough so the vertical games still are decent sized. More than likely it'll be 16:9 just due to availability.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2014, 05:44:52 pm »
I'd agree with the 2 player panel with 2 extra controllers.  Unless you plan on playing these types of games with the kids as well and want the arcade controls, but even that would get old, unless you found some other games to play as well, maybe from consoles or something.
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2014, 07:38:07 pm »
You keep saying fighters - those are two player games. I think you mean beat'em ups, which can be 4 players, but they're heavily scripted quarter munchers. Once you beat them, enh.
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2014, 07:45:25 pm »
You keep saying fighters - those are two player games. I think you mean beat'em ups, which can be 4 players, but they're heavily scripted quarter munchers. Once you beat them, enh.

My bad, didn't realize there was a difference.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2014, 07:52:44 pm »
This hobby has a lot of lingo.  :cheers:

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2014, 08:21:06 pm »
...which can be 4 players, but they're heavily scripted quarter munchers. Once you beat them, enh.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2014, 08:31:46 pm »
Keep in mind that I am encouraging you to go 2 player because you stated that THE TEEN would play the 4 player games. I've been working with teens for almost 20 years. Trust me, it'll be cool for a short time, then for the rest of its life you'll be playing Galaga by yourself, the other three sticks standing idly by. If YOU were the one who wanted 4 players, that'd be a different story. It's your machine, build it to suit your needs.
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2014, 09:32:31 pm »
Yotsuya I appreciate the insight. I started this thread because I'm looking for direction/help/ideas. I didn't realize how few games actually were four player capable. Hell, I don't have three friends so I'll never need it!

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2014, 09:51:14 pm »
Yotsuya I appreciate the insight. I started this thread because I'm looking for direction/help/ideas. I didn't realize how few games actually were four player capable. Hell, I don't have three friends so I'll never need it!

No problem, my friend. Keep in mind that most of us speak from experience and have already made a lot of the mistakes for you.  :cheers:
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2014, 07:25:22 am »
Yeah.  Like building a bartop. 

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #23 on: November 19, 2014, 07:56:20 am »
Am I right that these are the only games that are 3/4 player in MAME? 

4 Player Simultaneous MAME
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder
NBA Jam
Sunset Riders
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
The Simpsons
Vendetta
X-Men

3 Player Simultaneous MAME
Alien vs Predator
Iron Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
Rampage

If so, a two player probably does the trick

There are more...
Escape Kids
The Gladiator (enable 4 Player mode in test mode)
Knights of Valor / Knights of Valor 2 (enable 4 player mode in test mode)
Oriental Legend
Legend of Heroes (sound is kinda bad tho)
Zero Team 2000 (again, enable 4 player mode in test mode) - you'll need MAME 0.155 or newer for this one
Snow Bros 2
Karate Blazers (set dipswitch to 4 players)

not sure where you're getting your list, but you've even missed some popular Capcom titles like Battle Circuit and Dungeons & Dragons, Taito games like Arabian Magic, Sega games such as Arabian Fight and probably quite a number more.  You don't even have the Bomberman World game listed and those are some of the most famous 4 player titles.  Namco put out a 4 player version of Tank Force as well, also Exvania their own take on a Bomberman style game.


some gun games eg. Laser Ghost are 3 player too, but I guess you don't care about those.
Sega's Hotrod is a 3 player overhead driving game...
Sega's Bullet also supports 3 players, but you'd need 3 sets of dual sticks for that ;-)
Turbo Force is a 3 player shmup, only one I can think of.
Undercover Cops is a 3 player beat 'em up (turn on the dipswitch. also run the Alpha Renewal set as the regular World one has too much content stripped)

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #24 on: November 19, 2014, 09:52:05 am »
Oh come on, where's your sense of adventure.

I just didn't want to see the sad look on another grown man's face as he realized he can't be the 3rd or 4th player in TMNT.

It's impractical, more expensive, and a lot more time with wiring, but in the end I'm glad I did it.  It's a wider footprint but eh, I wanted to go all out.

But I agree with the others that if you're talking about younger kids who probably never stood around an actual arcade machine with 3 of their buddies, they'll probably be just fine with controllers.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2014, 10:16:05 am »
This will be a scratch build, that seems to be half the fun, if not more. I will play the classics (Space invaders, pac man, asteroids, galago, donkey kong) golden tee would be one of the newer games I'd play.  The boy and his friends will be more into the fighter games.  Probably going to be LCD mounted horizontally, big enough so the vertical games still are decent sized. More than likely it'll be 16:9 just due to availability.

In terms of joysticks it sounds like you want to play a lot of games that used a 4-way controller.  Many of the more "modern" games that you mention for the kids will be 8-way controllers.  While an 8-way can play a 4-way game it often is tricky.

Many people add a dedicated 4-way controller to their Control Panel (CP).  While others opt for something that can switch between the two (with options for physical switching or software).

Obviously you would want a Trackball then as well, what about a spinner?

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2014, 10:37:03 am »
I am sure I am missing some, anything added after MAME 148 for sure.  I may have mixed in some 3 player games in the 4 player list, Im old, but you missed way more.


4 Player:
2 On 2 Open Ice Challenge
Alien Storm
Alien vs. Predator
Arabian Fight
Arabian Magic
Armored Warriors
Atari Football
Atari Soccer
Barricade
Battle Circuit
Battle Toads
Blazing Tornado
Bomber Man World
Brute Force
Bucky O'Hare
Cadillacs and Dinosaurs
Captain America and the Avengers
Captain Commando
Car Polo
Checkmate
Comotion
Cops'n Robbers
Crime Fighters
Crypt Killer
Danny Sullivan's Indy Heat
Dark Adventure
Dead Connection
Desert Assault
Dungeons and Dragons : Shadow Over Mystara
Dungeons and Dragons : Tower of Doom
Dunk Mania
Dynablaster
Euro Champ '92
Escape Kids
Exvania
Face Off
Football Champ
Gauntlet
Gauntlet II
Gladiator
GI Joe
Golden Axe: The Revenge of Death Adder
Growl
Hard Dunk
Hat Trick Hero
Hat Trick Hero '95
Heated Barrel
High Impact Football
Hit Me
Hit the Ice
Hook
Hyper Sports Special
John Elway's Team Quarterback
Judge Dredd
Karate Blazers
Knights of Valor
Knights of Valor 2
Knuckle Heads
Main Event
Metamorphic Force
Mystic Warriors
NBA on NBC
NBA on NBA Gold
NBA Jam
NBA Jam Tournament Edition
NBA Hangtime
NBA Maximum Hangtime
NBA Showtime
NBA Slam Dunk
Ninja Baseball Batman
Ninja Kids
Numan Athletics
NFL Blitz
NFL Blitz 99
NFL Blitz 2000/Gold
Oriental Legend
Pigout
Power Drive
Powered Gear: Strategic Variant Armor Equipment
Punk Shot
Quartet
Racin' Force
Rim Rockin' Basketball
Ring Rage
Run and Gun
Run and Gun 2
Runark
Rushing Heroes
Sangokushi II
Saturday Night Slam Masters aka Muscle Momber Duo
Senjou no Ookami II
Silent Dragon
Snow Bros. 2 - With New Elves
Spiderman
Star Guards
Sunset Riders
Super Cup Finals
Super High Impact
Tecmo Bowl
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles : Turtles in Time
TouchDown Fever
TouchDown Fever 2
Tournament Cyberball 2072
Tournament Table
Trog
Turbo Force
Undercover Cops
US Championship V'ball
Vendetta
Violent Storm
Vs. Tennis
Warlords
Warriors of Fate
Wayne Gretzky's 3D Hockey
Wheel Of Fortune
Wild West C.O.W.-Boys of Moo Mesa
World Soccer Finals
WWF Wrestlefest
X-Men

3 player:
Alien vs Predator
Championship Sprint
Combatribes
Double Dragon 3 - The Rosetta Stone
Hot Rod
Iron Ivan Stewart's Super Off-Road
Knights of the Round
Mercs
Michael Jackson's Moonwalker
Pit Fighter
Rampage
Rampage World Tour
Rampart
Super Sprint
Xenophobe
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #27 on: November 19, 2014, 11:01:33 am »
What are your current top ten favorite games you intend to play on this?
What program are you using for MAME now? 
What PC are you going to use?


A MAME arcade machine is a large investment of time and financial resources.  I feel you should be able to answer these before you order parts.  You don't have to answer me, but just think about it.  You may have lots of both, but let the question serve as a sanity check before you start this project.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #28 on: November 19, 2014, 11:48:46 am »
What are your current top ten favorite games you intend to play on this?
What program are you using for MAME now? 
What PC are you going to use?


A MAME arcade machine is a large investment of time and financial resources.  I feel you should be able to answer these before you order parts.  You don't have to answer me, but just think about it.  You may have lots of both, but let the question serve as a sanity check before you start this project.

+1   I went into my bartop guns ablazin' and I really was disappointed in the final result.  I'm now in the process of taking it apart and piecing it out and creating a Star Wars cab and a Nintendo cabaret.  My FFJr cab on the other hand was a methodical creation that I spent up to a month on answering my own questions, doing research and making a product list before I even started cutting on my MDF. 

Eric brings up a good point by telling you to ask yourself questions.  Or if you will, do research.  If you don't get it done at Christmas thats okay.  Money doesn't have an expiration date.  You can still tell the wife and kiddos that you would like arcade parts and tell them that you will have a set number when you feel you have a firm grasp on what you want. 

I also found myself getting too greedy with everything I wanted on the bartop cab.  I wanted emulators, 4 way games, 8 ways, shmups, and PC games.  It really bit me in the ass.  Now recreating the bartop (into more than 2 seperate cabs), I stepped back, and said, yes I like all of this but together it wont work.  Its like dating mutiple girls at the same time.  You try to get it to be cohesive but in the end they find out about each other and the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- hits the proverbial fan. 

In the end everyone is right.  Get a game list and dont be afraid to nix certain games.  Say all you have are 4 way 2 button games it would be silly to buy six buttons with an Ultrastix when 2 buttons and a replica Nintendo joystick will nail it.

A good starting point would be to get your game list hammered out, go here and put each game in the search bar you enjoy playing.  It will give you a run down of the properties of the game including joystick used and how many buttons.  There was a web page I used to know of where you could do the opposite (ie put in joystick used and number of buttons and it would pop out a list of games) but I can't find it. 

From that point you can do research on joysticks, buttons etc and build what you need.   And like Malenko said it prolly wont be cheap.  You could end up just making a Bartop Arcade Joystick or going crazy like the rest of us and making a full size arcade cab.   But its a hobby.  Its supposed to be about having fun.  Not having to worry about money.  (Though having someone there to pull you back from going spend crazy helps.   :)

In the end, get a game list, tell the kids to save their $ for dad for Christmas and meet us back here when more questions present themselves.  We'll be here to help.   :cheers:
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #29 on: November 19, 2014, 02:17:03 pm »
What are your current top ten favorite games you intend to play on this?
What program are you using for MAME now? 
What PC are you going to use?


A MAME arcade machine is a large investment of time and financial resources.  I feel you should be able to answer these before you order parts.  You don't have to answer me, but just think about it.  You may have lots of both, but let the question serve as a sanity check before you start this project.

+1   I went into my bartop guns ablazin' and I really was disappointed in the final result.  I'm now in the process of taking it apart and piecing it out and creating a Star Wars cab and a Nintendo cabaret.  My FFJr cab on the other hand was a methodical creation that I spent up to a month on answering my own questions, doing research and making a product list before I even started cutting on my MDF. 

Eric brings up a good point by telling you to ask yourself questions.  Or if you will, do research.  If you don't get it done at Christmas thats okay.  Money doesn't have an expiration date.  You can still tell the wife and kiddos that you would like arcade parts and tell them that you will have a set number when you feel you have a firm grasp on what you want. 

I also found myself getting too greedy with everything I wanted on the bartop cab.  I wanted emulators, 4 way games, 8 ways, shmups, and PC games.  It really bit me in the ass.  Now recreating the bartop (into more than 2 seperate cabs), I stepped back, and said, yes I like all of this but together it wont work.  Its like dating mutiple girls at the same time.  You try to get it to be cohesive but in the end they find out about each other and the ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- hits the proverbial fan. 

In the end everyone is right.  Get a game list and dont be afraid to nix certain games.  Say all you have are 4 way 2 button games it would be silly to buy six buttons with an Ultrastix when 2 buttons and a replica Nintendo joystick will nail it.

A good starting point would be to get your game list hammered out, go here and put each game in the search bar you enjoy playing.  It will give you a run down of the properties of the game including joystick used and how many buttons.  There was a web page I used to know of where you could do the opposite (ie put in joystick used and number of buttons and it would pop out a list of games) but I can't find it. 

From that point you can do research on joysticks, buttons etc and build what you need.   And like Malenko said it prolly wont be cheap.  You could end up just making a Bartop Arcade Joystick or going crazy like the rest of us and making a full size arcade cab.   But its a hobby.  Its supposed to be about having fun.  Not having to worry about money.  (Though having someone there to pull you back from going spend crazy helps.   :)

In the end, get a game list, tell the kids to save their $ for dad for Christmas and meet us back here when more questions present themselves.  We'll be here to help.   :cheers:

Great advice, homie.  :cheers:
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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #30 on: November 19, 2014, 02:25:09 pm »
Who?  Me or Eric.  You would think with 7000+ posts under your belt you would know how to quote.   ;)

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #31 on: November 19, 2014, 02:26:56 pm »
Who?  Me or Eric.  You would think with 7000+ posts under your belt you would know how to quote.   ;)

What are you talking about? Have you been drinking before lunch again?  >:D
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« Reply #32 on: November 19, 2014, 02:30:34 pm »
Who?  Me or Eric.  You would think with 7000+ posts under your belt you would know how to quote.   ;)

What are you talking about? Have you been drinking before lunch again?  >:D

I think the huge 'LAST EDIT' might give things away... :laugh:

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #33 on: November 19, 2014, 02:33:26 pm »
Well, I thought your advice (and relating your experience) was sound.  :cheers:
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« Reply #34 on: November 19, 2014, 02:40:16 pm »
I would say you need to make some decisions:

What kind of joystick are you most familiar with? Bat or ball? Then narrow down what you want from there - restrictor type oif any ,4 or 8 way, etc. Same with buttons. Concave, convex, american, japanese? Figure out what you need and half of it is done. All the 3" trackballs I have used are excellent, and most distributors carry a similar range of options. So My advice would be to just pick your joys and buttons, and then from the same vendor check out the trackballs on their site. And after you add an encoder you are pretty much done! Don't for get coin buttons, start buttons, and have a plan on admin buttons like exit or pause, if any. I use key combinations to do most things - player one down and player one start to exit a game, and up on player two plus player two start to pause.

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Re: Need help with my Christmas list
« Reply #35 on: November 19, 2014, 04:03:43 pm »
I would say you need to make some decisions:

What kind of joystick are you most familiar with? Bat or ball? Then narrow down what you want from there - restrictor type oif any ,4 or 8 way, etc. Same with buttons. Concave, convex, american, japanese? Figure out what you need and half of it is done.

This is part of my problem. It's been close to 35 years since I spent much time in front of a machine. I would definitely want a four way as well as the eight ways. Don't know if I have a preference between the buttons. I like the ball top sticks but don't know the difference between brands/models.

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« Reply #36 on: November 19, 2014, 06:29:17 pm »
Where you grew up has a big influence on what you will remember. Try to think of what games you used to love, and then find out what the controls were for them. For example, bat tops didn't come into play until early 90's from what I gather - but they were about all I used being hardcore into the "fighter scene." Mortal Kombat, Street Fighter, even the Neo Geo machines had them. Earlier would have been ball tops of some sort and possibly even leaf switches.