I searched and did not find this answer Makvision & ArcadeVGA card

[ctozzi]

Do you or do you not need an arcadeVGA card with the Makvision trimode flat sreeen :
http://na.suzohapp.com/monitors/49305600.htm
And is this a true plug and play in a MAME cabinet ie: plugs directly into your PC with zero issues to display windows ?
I have read alot of posts on this monitor but nobody clearly states either of these answers with a 100% yes or no, so any help is welcomed.
Chris

[ed12]

look's plug and play to me

ed

[ctozzi]

Thanks, however this is the problem and hence why i asked this question. Looking plug and play and being 100% plug and play are 2 different things. I'd like someone who actually has a MAME cab with this monitor installed to chime in on the good and the bad of this as a full-time monitor. I'm looking to be able to use my windows desktop and not get a headache looking at it.

Anyone who has a makvision 24.8" Tri mode please address this for me.

[wxman13]

Thanks, however this is the problem and hence why i asked this question. Looking plug and play and being 100% plug and play are 2 different things. I'd like someone who actually has a MAME cab with this monitor installed to chime in on the good and the bad of this as a full-time monitor. I'm looking to be able to use my windows desktop and not get a headache looking at it.

Anyone who has a makvision 24.8" Tri mode please address this for me.

I don't have the 24.8" Tri Mode Makvision, however I do have the High Res 29" Makvision in a cab I'm working on, and I can tell you that it is not good for trying to read text in Windows, especially the edges, its so blurry its almost unreadable, and I do have it connected via a DVI to VGA adaptor, it will not work on the VGA connector of the ArcadeVGA3000. Having said that its not bad for most of the Mame games I've tried. I am contemplating trying out a LCD, but I'm sure the older games like pacman, donkey kong, will not look quite as sharp as the Makvision. I am also getting these purple spots showing up in 2 areas of the screen at times, they just dissapear on there own, degaussing has no affect on them

[ctozzi]

thanks for the reply, I'm leaning towards an LCD because of this.

[ctozzi]

So i bought the makvision and hooked it up to my PC and get a garbled image, so i'd imagine this monitor is NOT a plug and play as a pc monitor.

[lilshawn]

you realize this monitor can only display 15k 25k and 31k right? the max resolution you can feed it is 640x480.

[ctozzi]

Yes I do, I am having difficulty after setting it at that resolution. Windows and mame is displaying a triple screen.

[lilshawn]

ya, windows doesn't like running less than 800x600.You will have to go in an manually set the resolution using your standard monitor, pull the VGA cable and then connect the makvision.

To manually set the resolution open the control panel and select the display icon. Press the settings tab and then the advanced button.

On the next windows select the monitor tab and be sure the "hide video modes this monitor cannot display" is clear.

press the adapter tab and press the "list all modes" button. you will have to select "640x480 true color 60hz." be sure the mode you select is a 60hz mode.

that should get you somewhere to start. with mame you will have to make sure it doesn't try to switch modes on you.

[ctozzi]

thanks to lilshawn and a few others i got the makvision 24.8" tri mode up and running in the mame cabinet. No arcadevga was needed. the desktop is so much clearer than when i had the 25" arcade monitor with the ultimarc arcade vga. I could not be happier with it's clarity, eae of fine tuning, fitament, and cost. Here it is in full form:

[AndyWarne]

There seems to be a lot of confusion about tri-sync monitors although I have tried to explain on our ArcadeVGA pages on our site. To summarize:
If you connect a 15-25-31 Khz monitor to a normal VGA card, and set to 640 x 480 60Hz it will work. BUT if you do this, why did you pay the extra for a multi-frequency monitor? You are using it as a VGA monitor unless you have some method of also generating 15Khz and 25Khz modes. The reason for a multi-frequency is that it can be used as an arcade monitor, standard resolution, as well, at 15Khz which is not VGA, and medium-res which is 25Khz.

The other factor is, if you use it with the ArcadeVGA card it will default to 15Khz all the time as the card will not know it is a multi-frequency monitor. It will assume by default it is a 15 Khz standard-res arcade monitor so it will run all resolutions at 15Khz. Using a multi-frequency monitor the resolutions above 640 x 288 will run non-interlaced as opposed to interlaced (with flicker) on a standard-res monitor. The ArcadeVGA card can be configured to optimise a multi-frequency monitor.

Andy

[Pixeljunkie]

Hi ctozzi, i've send you an e-mail regarding this topic

Grtz !

[Malenko]

3 year bump for that?


ctozzi is more active over at KLOV, so you're more likely to get a reply from him there.

[Pixeljunkie]

I already got a (confusing) e-mail from him, seemed faster/easier then starting a new thread and asking the same question.

But since you are here..
I see you're working on an MK4 cabinet, i'm converting one to an MK3 Mame cab. I bought a 29" tri-sync makvision, and from what i've read you don't need an arcadeVGA. I just wanted to know if there are other steps needed besides switching to 640x480 60hz

[Malenko]

I already got a (confusing) e-mail from him, seemed faster/easier then starting a new thread and asking the same question.

But since you are here..
I see your working on a MK4 cabinet, i'm converting one to an MK3 Mame cab. I bought a 29" tri-sync makvision, and from what i've read you don't need an arcadeVGA. I just wanted to know if there are other steps needed besides switching to 640x480 60hz

Welp as you can see above, getting a tri-sync and running it at 640x480 is just using it as a glorified VGA monitor. If you get the arcadeVGA you can run the actual arcade resolutions.

[Pixeljunkie]

I use an ArcadeVGA for my MK2 cabinet (WG monitor) and I never quite figured out how to use native resolutions for every single game (interlacing-bug in windows 7). And if every game used a different resolution, I would have to adjust the screen manually for every game that launched, right ?

I'm more of a hardware guy than software-genius..

[Malenko]

That's where you sometimes have to find a compromise. I used to run soft15 to a WG monitor and sometimes with some resolution changes I'd have to adjust the monitor, sometimes I'd just make a game run at a slightly different but still close resolution, just to avoid adjusting.   If not running the games in the native resolution doesnt bother you, then dont worry about it. Just set it to 640x480 and enjoy them. All you should have to do is hit F8 during boot up and enable VGA mode in windows 7

I am putting an LCD in this MAME cab, Im tired of de-casing old CRT televisions

[ctozzi]

Sorry if my email was confusing, but I honestly can't remember much about how I set this up. If I recall I had to set the default resolution to a lower one than is standard out of the box for the Makvision. LMK if you need me to do some research on my setup after work.
Chris

[Pixeljunkie]

I always use 640x480 on my MK2 with the WG, the main reasons I prefer an arcade monitor are the natural scanlines and the colors/refresh in general. I know you can use a scanline generator on an lcd but it just doesn't feel right

Ctozzi : In your youtube clip, I saw that you used soft15khz. But that's not needed to run this monitor at 31khz.
That's what got me confused