Author Topic: Alchemy: Video Pinball Shmup Table (Read 97920 times)

rockyrocket · « **Reply #80 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:42:27 pm »

The guy who built the cab in my earlier link was talking about having a separate pedestal type control panel for mame, it could span over the front of the cab, not sure if it got built though.
Wish I could find that other build where the guy had a trackball and joys by the lock bar - was a long while back though maybe 2009/10

griffindodd · « **Reply #81 on:** March 04, 2013, 06:49:08 pm »

Quote from: rockyrocket on March 04, 2013, 06:42:27 pm

the guy had a trackball and joys by the lock bar

Probably what I am going to build

rockyrocket · « **Reply #82 on:** March 04, 2013, 07:04:43 pm »

Ok think te blue one is the one I remember.
Glad I found it, now must sleep

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griffindodd · « **Reply #83 on:** March 05, 2013, 11:58:59 am »

I finally got Future Pinball working on the Revolution cab last night. Until now I was just using Visual Pinball as it hadn't given me any problems and I was happy enough with the way it looked and worked. But with the full-size table on the horizon I wanted to check out FP as so many people had said that it looks so much better.

So after a bunch of dicking around with preferences for video and updating drivers I finally got a few tables working and they really do look very cool. I played SlamT1lt's mod of Addams Family which was extremely impressive with all the sound and graphics upgrades, it's a super fun experience to play. Still I'm not overly happy with some of the graphics issues, a lot of artifacting and glitches which force me to turn off some of the best visual features. I did find FP much easier to play than VP for the Addams Family table, the ball seemed bigger, easier to hit.

Who knows, maybe by the time this build is ready to play Farsight may have Pinball Arcade released in the Windows 8 store and I can give that a try.

ChadTower · « **Reply #84 on:** March 05, 2013, 01:22:36 pm »

Quote from: Brian74 on March 03, 2013, 11:15:12 pm

For the screen he used 1/4" acrylic that he sprayed with rear projection Screen Goo.

Now THAT is what I call a saturday night.

griffindodd · « **Reply #85 on:** March 05, 2013, 02:42:02 pm »

Updated the OP parts list, pretty much everything is ordered and shipping or already arrived, now all I have to do is find a spare 200 man hours

Seith · « **Reply #86 on:** March 05, 2013, 02:59:13 pm »

Quote from: griffindodd on March 05, 2013, 02:42:02 pm

Updated the OP parts list, pretty much everything is ordered and shipping or already arrived, now all I have to do is find a spare 200 man hours

Congrats! This looks pretty promising. I'd like to eventually build a virtual pin, but I don't have the space for one currently. Basement renovations come first, and before that is the wedding... ducks in a row, I guess.

As always, watching and following along.

griffindodd · « **Reply #87 on:** March 05, 2013, 09:39:06 pm »

What's the best thing to make a rigid 60” rear projection screen from?

A 60" REAR PROJECTION SCREEN!

Some guy on Craig's list was dumping a perfectly good 60" Sony rear projection TV so I gave him a few bucks to run away with the screen surface and the huge first surface mirror and mounting brackets.

Can't wait for those projectors to arrive so I can start experimenting

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ChadTower · « **Reply #88 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:02:51 am »

Interesting idea. I have a 60" Sony WEGA RPTV. Might even be the same one from the looks of that screen.

Do you happen to have the rest of the TV? I'll buy the optical block off of you.

Mine needs to be replaced.

griffindodd · « **Reply #89 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:14:00 am »

No but the guy still has it I could put you in touch with him. Pm me your email and phone number I'll pass it on

yotsuya · « **Reply #90 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:16:06 am »

Quote from: griffindodd on March 05, 2013, 09:39:06 pm

What's the best thing to make a rigid 60” rear projection screen from?

A 60" REAR PROJECTION SCREEN!

Some guy on Craig's list was dumping a perfectly good 60" Sony rear projection TV so I gave him a few bucks to run away with the screen surface and the huge first surface mirror and mounting brackets.

You can make an awesome gaming costume from the extra spandex you now own...

ChadTower · « **Reply #91 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:49:32 am »

Quote from: yotsuya on March 06, 2013, 10:16:06 am

You can make an awesome gaming costume from the extra spandex you now own...

That would be quite a rear projection setup.

griffindodd · « **Reply #92 on:** March 06, 2013, 12:23:32 pm »

Quote from: yotsuya on March 06, 2013, 10:16:06 am

You can make an awesome gaming costume from the extra spandex you now own...

Oh believe me buddy, I'll find a use for it, oh yes, and I'll post pictures, and you'll cry and run away

yotsuya · « **Reply #93 on:** March 06, 2013, 12:25:07 pm »

Quote from: griffindodd on March 06, 2013, 12:23:32 pm

Quote from: yotsuya on March 06, 2013, 10:16:06 am
You can make an awesome gaming costume from the extra spandex you now own...

Oh believe me buddy, I'll find a use for it, oh yes, and I'll post pictures, and you'll cry and run away

I vote this one:

griffindodd · « **Reply #94 on:** March 06, 2013, 12:34:38 pm »

Man I'll have to grow my hair out and do a lot of coke first

dandro · « **Reply #95 on:** March 06, 2013, 12:39:38 pm »

the boots! LOL

jmike · « **Reply #96 on:** March 06, 2013, 01:31:00 pm »

No longer subscribed.

griffindodd · « **Reply #97 on:** March 06, 2013, 02:48:47 pm »

Ok peeps, back on track with this thread.

The projectors arrive today so I'll have a better idea of exactly how things are going to look in a day or two.

As for the cabinet, I have concerns about the structural rigidity of the wood when I start carving hug holes in the side of it to project through. I think I am going to have to build out a new cabinet with different materials. Also doing it this way allows me to add that extra area here and there to make my life easier and hopefully give the cabinet a much more custom look, more of a wide-body-low-body cab, it's starting to sound more and more like a hot-rod every day

griffindodd · « **Reply #98 on:** March 06, 2013, 10:43:51 pm »

Quick initial test of the projectors with the TV screen

griffindodd · « **Reply #99 on:** March 07, 2013, 12:53:28 am »

This 50" horizontal image is happening with the mirror 17" inside the cab, easy to do for one side but logistically problematic for two sides due to projection angles.

The frog tape is 36" above ground, the pinball cabinet will be 50" deep with at least 1" bezel around the projection area

griffindodd · « **Reply #100 on:** March 07, 2013, 01:36:24 am »

Good news and meagh not awesome news

I can create this image with the mirror 14" inside the cab meaning I can get two back to back and do this on both sides. The Meagh news is that the projector housings have to stick out 5.5" from the sides of the cab on the floor. Not a complete deal killer, I can enclose them its just not ideal.

The upside though is full video sides to the cabinet and that is crazy balls awesome

Drnick · « **Reply #101 on:** March 07, 2013, 07:57:56 am »

You are either a complete nutball or a Genius. I haven't yet worked out which though. Either way I just love some of the things you are willing to try and do. More often then not you pull it off as well

ChadTower · « **Reply #102 on:** March 07, 2013, 08:52:59 am »

That is certainly looking better than I thought it would.

griffindodd · « **Reply #103 on:** March 07, 2013, 11:36:39 am »

Lol I like the idea of nut ball genius like Doc Brown from Back to the Future.

Looks like I'm building a frame from scratch so I better get to it.

Gluing up monitor support on the top rails, using birch as I need some good rigidity

I loves me some pocket joints

Framing it up with the rails routed for the sloping glass

Fan board for the back. I like to use forstner bits for countersinking none beveled screws

BadMouth · « **Reply #104 on:** March 07, 2013, 11:45:33 am »

I hadn't thought about old projection TVs as a source for front surface mirrors.
What are the rough dimensions of it?

ChadTower · « **Reply #105 on:** March 07, 2013, 02:01:32 pm »

I'll be interested in seeing what condition that mirror is in. I've pulled a few Sony WEGA RPTVs apart that I got off Freecycle and the mirrors tend to be heat damaged. The projector, too, that's why most of that line of TV failed. The 60" I have for myself is heat damaged making the colors yellowy and there are a lot of stuck on blue pixels.

griffindodd · « **Reply #106 on:** March 07, 2013, 04:55:50 pm »

This just arrived,

griffindodd · « **Reply #107 on:** March 07, 2013, 06:14:19 pm »

Baby's got back & she goes low low low low low lowwwwww

griffindodd · « **Reply #108 on:** March 07, 2013, 08:54:10 pm »

@ Boudmouth & Chad. The mirror was in excellent condition no flaking or discoloration. Its about 40" wide by about 18” high

griffindodd · « **Reply #109 on:** March 07, 2013, 10:29:50 pm »

Couldn't wait, had to decase the screen, this is like no plasma I have ever seen, can you say thin?

Fits like a glove

Nice mounting brackets underneath I can use for bracing

griffindodd · « **Reply #110 on:** March 08, 2013, 12:11:35 am »

More plasma porn,
Insane viewing angles

Also noticed so far after half an hour of operation the screen is cold to the touch. No heat issues

ChadTower · « **Reply #111 on:** March 08, 2013, 11:28:36 am »

Hell! Who cares about sideart when the playfield looks like THAT?

griffindodd · « **Reply #112 on:** March 08, 2013, 11:36:28 am »

lol yeah I guess you are right, the blacks are really deep, another nice advantage of plasma. It has pixel shifting and some other anti-burn features so hopefully they will do their job well enough, but it sounds like heat, burn and weight are all issues of yesteryear's plasma screens. The panel itself is only 0.5" thick and at 51" screen size weighs 40lbs. Overall I am quiet amazed at how far this tech has come.

floriske.nl · « **Reply #113 on:** March 08, 2013, 12:32:34 pm »

Looking great! The general design is really starting to show.

About the plasma (yeah i know, AGAIN

but I'd hate to see you disappointed).Pixel shifting on static images only results in a blurred edge of the burn in pattern. Since the image only shifts a few px it only helps on parts/lines smaller than those few pixels.

And once again: yes burn in risk is a lot less these days but still there. Especially in the first part of it's life span. So do the few days full white screen trick just to be sure to get rid of the biggest risk!

I've been a pro av technician for 6,5 years (3,5 on rental and 3 on sales and installation) and I've seen a lot of plasmas gone to waste, even newer ones.

griffindodd · « **Reply #114 on:** March 08, 2013, 12:33:58 pm »

Quote from: floriske.nl on March 08, 2013, 12:32:34 pm

So do the few days full white screen trick just to be sure to get rid of the biggest risk!
I've been a pro av technician for 6,5 years (3,5 on rental and 3 on sales and installation) and I've seen a lot of plasmas gone to waste, even newer ones.

Awesome man, i will definitely do that, could you explain how to do it so I get it right? Thanks

griffindodd · « **Reply #115 on:** March 08, 2013, 01:22:18 pm »

Looking for some opinions here.

I'm kinda torn as to whether I should leave the sides super deep so they can basically be huge 16:9 screens and I can throw pretty much anything on them.

or

Reduce the side height, taper in the projection structure and black it out as much as possible to pull your eye away from it and have the cabinet look more like a tradition pinball machine.

mcseforsale · « **Reply #116 on:** March 08, 2013, 01:29:59 pm »

Bigger box, IMO. That thing looks like an udder.

Just paint the bottom half of the box flat black. It'll have the same effect and be easier to reinforce.

AJ

griffindodd · « **Reply #117 on:** March 08, 2013, 01:31:13 pm »

Quote from: mcseforsale on March 08, 2013, 01:29:59 pm

That thing looks like an udder.

Lol I was thinking the same thing

thatpurplestuff · « **Reply #118 on:** March 08, 2013, 01:53:08 pm »

Yeah I agree I'd go with the bigger box... the boxes jutting out of the sides would distract from the awesomeness a bit.

griffindodd · « **Reply #119 on:** March 08, 2013, 01:59:41 pm »

Yep I think you guys are right, the big booty cab is much easier to work worth and more versatile as I have all the screen area to play with. I guess technically i could project the whole profile of the pinball machine side on it rather than just the art - all kinds of interesting opportunities when your cab sides are digitally generated.


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