Author Topic: Minnesota auction 10/25/03 (Read 4710 times)

APFelon · « **on:** October 23, 2003, 07:19:37 pm »

Minnesota auction is on 10-25. Location has just been released. Here is the skinny:

CONFIRMED *** NEW LOCATION ***
Date: Saturday, October 25, 2003
Location: Ramsey (Minneapolis), MN
Address: 7101 143rd Ave. North, Suites L and M, Ramsey, MN
Preview: 8:30AM
Auction: 10:30AM
Terms:
Buyers: 10% premium + local sales tax.

Anyone else going to go?

APf

KEG · « **Reply #1 on:** October 23, 2003, 10:45:09 pm »

dude, that auction has been released for 3 weeks. what are you talking about?

KEG · « **Reply #2 on:** October 23, 2003, 10:47:40 pm »

also the the viewing is at 9:00am and the auction is at 10am

vitaflo · « **Reply #3 on:** October 24, 2003, 12:25:50 am »

Wow cool, I didn't even know they had auctions up here, I thought they were always in Milwaukee. Is there a fee to get in? I'd love to go just to see what they have, but I can't buy since I don't have the space at the moment. Not sure if that's frowned upon (never been to an auction before).

By the way, where did you find this info? I usually check the Super Actions website but it says nothing about anything in MN.

Lindner24 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 24, 2003, 01:28:07 am »

Here's a link. They have a small partial list of games.

http://www.grafeauction.com/auctions/listing.cfm?AuctionID=1009&State=MN

APFelon · « **Reply #5 on:** October 24, 2003, 06:43:01 am »

Quote from: KEG on October 23, 2003, 10:45:09 pm

dude, that auction has been released for 3 weeks. what are you talking about?

Dude, the auction date has been released for months. The location was TBA until recently. You are wrong about viewing / auction time as well. Check the link provided by Lindner. The times I posted are correct.

I'm not sure I appreciate your tone. It seems a bit hostile. If you want to correct some bad info on my part, you can be a little more polite about it.

Vitaflo- I cut/ pasted the info from here. I should have linked the site. My apologys to the site op. Stealing is wrong. http://www.tc.umn.edu/~johns594/arcade/auction/ It is free to get in, but you may have to give a refundable deposit if you want a bidding number. Looking around should be free, though.

Lindner- Thanks for the link!

APf

KEG · « **Reply #6 on:** October 24, 2003, 01:07:26 pm »

I did not have any tone but if your going to post info it should be the correct info. I have the newspaper clipping from 2 weeks ago and if had the location, date, time and directions to the auction. I also have the number to the auctioneer and had called them 3 times, once today and they confirmed that the viewing is from 9 to 10 and the auction is at 10. So if you find my tone offensive I apologize. I also am a collector and when there are auctions its nice to keep them quiet so the people that do know about it have the upper hand on selection. Thats just me.

APFelon · « **Reply #7 on:** October 24, 2003, 01:56:02 pm »

Quote from: KEG on October 24, 2003, 01:07:26 pm

I did not have any tone but if your going to post info it should be the correct info. I have the newspaper clipping from 2 weeks ago and if had the location, date, time and directions to the auction. I also have the number to the auctioneer and had called them 3 times, once today and they confirmed that the viewing is from 9 to 10 and the auction is at 10. So if you find my tone offensive I apologize. I also am a collector and when there are auctions its nice to keep them quiet so the people that do know about it have the upper hand on selection. Thats just me.

I am not going to get in a flame war with you.

1) If you want to have a civil discussion, you are going about it the wrong way. A baseless "Dude what are you talking about" is not civil.

2) The last time I posted about this topic, the auction was to be had in Apache Plaza again this year. The site that I check just updated with the new information, so I relayed it here. Since you are a noob to this forum, you probably didn't know that I had brought this auction up before. If the auction is old news for you, well good for you.

3) I have the times from the website. I imagine that they are correct, because I have seen them on two different sites. Call the auctioneer again. After hassling him three times to confirm the same info I'd bet you have a friendship budding.

3) I am a collector as well. I don't have the same attitude as you when it comes to keeping auctions quiet so I can have the upper hand. That is just selfish. Besides, this forum is one of the friendliest around and I like to return the friendliness by sharing what I know about what I can. I asked "is anyone else going?" so I could say hello to a few of the Minnesotans that frequent here. I will not extend that offer to you.

It is too bad that you had to expend your first posts to this forum being so confrontive. I no longer have time for you. Goodbye.

vitaflo · « **Reply #8 on:** October 24, 2003, 03:09:43 pm »

Thanks for the link APFelon. I may just head up there to check it out and see what they have, etc.

Keg, don't worry, I won't be buying anything, which leaves more for you. Though, like APFelon, I'm not sure I agree w/ keeping auctions quiet for my own personal gain. This hobby (and indeed arcades in general) is about social interaction more than anything. Without that, what's the point?

J_K_M_A_N · « **Reply #9 on:** October 24, 2003, 10:55:49 pm »

I will be there. I have never been to one so it should be fun. A friend of mine is going with me. He may be interested in buying something. If I could find an "in sad shape" cocktail table, I may try for that. I will be wearing my Donkey Kong t-shirt and my black KIA hat. I am also going to try to maybe bring my digital camera even though I have heard that they don't like pictures taken.

See you all there.

J_K_M_A_N

APFelon · « **Reply #10 on:** October 25, 2003, 02:47:53 pm »

Auction is over, and...

I wasn't planning to, but I came away with a game. The prices were very reasonable this year IMHO (compared to years gone by, anyway) and I figured dropping 100$ on a cab with a good monitor was a smart idea.

I bought the one and only Kageki machine at the auction. It is a JAMMA converted Midway cab (unknown which yet, but I will figure it out eventually) that is in fair condition.

The auctioneer couldn't even pronounce the name of the game. I had to yell "KAGEKI!!" from the back because he kept asking how to pronounce it. I took it at an uncontested 100$ bid.

The selection was much, much better this year than the other years, I thought. They sold several Race Drivin' / Hard Drivin' cabs at about 125$, a Tron machine for 700 (or 800, I forget) but it was in really good shape, Jukeboxes went for an assortment of prices for no real rhyme or reason as to why they were going for what they were going for, ETC.

Great auction, and I wish I could have hung around until the very end. It was good to see some of my old co-workers there as well.

I learned a valuable lesson, though. Never, ever bring a three year old to a crowded auction. Not worth the hassle at all.

vitaflo · « **Reply #11 on:** October 25, 2003, 03:21:16 pm »

I wanted to go, but was way too hungover this morning after a party last night.

Sounds like it was a good one. As much as I said I wouldn't have bid on anything, I know I would have bid on the Tron machine. Any other old games there? How much did broken, non-working games go for?

Oh, and if you get a chance and can post a picture of your Kageki cab, I'd love to see it!

APFelon · « **Reply #12 on:** October 25, 2003, 08:40:55 pm »

Quote from: vitaflo on October 25, 2003, 03:21:16 pm

I wanted to go, but was way too hungover this morning after a party last night.

Sounds like it was a good one. As much as I said I wouldn't have bid on anything, I know I would have bid on the Tron machine. Any other old games there? How much did broken, non-working games go for?

Oh, and if you get a chance and can post a picture of your Kageki cab, I'd love to see it!

Well, as usual for an auction of this type, there was a lot of late '80s crap and JAMMA conversions... and I mean A LOT. There were a few interesting machines there, but unfortunately I didn't get as hands on as I would have liked (3 year old in tow, y'know).

There was a Tron, a Spy Hunter (and curiously, I saw a Spy Hunter sitting in a pickup outside the building before the auction even started) and a few Pole Positions. There were a lot of converted Midway cabs (like the one I bought). There were some "newer" games as well, like a War and a Gauntlets Legends, as well as a Golden Tee 99. An APB in decent shape went for 125$ (A little out of my price range, but I would have loved to have it). Most everything went for around 100$ (at least up until I left). There were some Jackpot prize machines that went for 40$ (stocking it with prize trays would cost more than the machine). They had a few Tetrises and a full cockpitted Afterburner-- you know, the one that would pitch and yaw as the game was played (Would have been super cool for a gameroom, but I would never be able to fit it inside my house)

But most of it was stuff like Devistators and machines of that generation. A LOT of vendors from around the state participated this year which made for a large selection. Jukeboxes, prize cranes, videos, dart boards (in surprisingly good shape) a pool table or two...

They sold things in lots of two to five, meaning high bidder got to pick what he wanted. This made the auction go super fast. The old auctions would be an all-day affair. This one was nearly over by 1:00 when I left.

Maybe next year, eh?

Oh, yeah. I'll post pics when I finally get the machine in the basement. Not much to look at, really... A Midway cab painted that boring shade of blue...

APf

KEG · « **Reply #13 on:** October 27, 2003, 10:59:57 am »

I was also there, I did not think there was much there. I was hoping for some pins but there were only 2. Did anyone see what they went for? I did not stay long enough to see thoes go. I got what I wanted and took off. Oh yeah. just so you dont get mad when I say this because its just a joke, what time did the auction start? again j/k but I had to say something.

KEG · « **Reply #14 on:** October 27, 2003, 11:06:29 am »

You thought that APB was in OK shape. I was going to bid on it but the steering wheel was broke and there was so much burn in the monitor I just could not. Even as much as I wanted it. I was disappointed with most of the stuff there. A lot of it was so beat up. I guess it would to be expected. Can you believe what golden tee went for? 850.00 I think that was way too high. I never would have paid that much. Well. Until next year

vitaflo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 27, 2003, 11:12:54 am »

Quote from: KEG on October 27, 2003, 10:59:57 am

I was also there, I did not think there was much there. I was hoping for some pins but there were only 2. Did anyone see what they went for?

Big Guns pin went for $1000, and F-14 Tomcat pin went for $925.

SirPoonga · « **Reply #16 on:** October 27, 2003, 03:43:41 pm »

I was going to go too but I got roped into helping a friend lay down his new floor of his house.

APFelon · « **Reply #17 on:** October 27, 2003, 07:23:56 pm »

Quote from: KEG on October 27, 2003, 10:59:57 am

Oh yeah. just so you dont get mad when I say this because its just a joke, what time did the auction start? again j/k but I had to say something.

Zing! Very funny.

The line for the auction numbers wasn't even done and they started. I kept asking (even the Lieberman guys I knew) "WHEN does the auction start? Ten thirty? (I just needed to be vindicated. I wasn't).

I bid on that APB before it hit 100. I really wanted a sitdown cab (Could you believe how low those Race Drivin' cabs were going for?) and that APB, I thought, was in pretty good shape (cosmetically, anyway. I talked to the couple who bought it as they were loading it into their pickup).

But as far as a MOMA auction goes, I thought that there was a lot of stuff. There usually aren't a lot of pins at these things, and this year was no different. Judging by how much a mediocre pin like F-14 Tomcat went for, you'd think that more operators would want to put a pin or two up for bid. Maybe I'll consider selling my High Speed II next year, I'd bet I'd make a killing on it.

Heres to next year.

APf

paigeoliver · « **Reply #18 on:** October 28, 2003, 03:05:56 am »

I thought F-14 Tomcat was supposed to be one of the best mid 80s pins around. I know when I got my (very nice) Victory pin, the guy I got it from traded it off, while keeping a fairly beat up Tomcat in his gameroom.

APFelon · « **Reply #19 on:** October 28, 2003, 07:01:14 am »

A matter of preference, I guess. I have never heard anyone talk about Tomcat as though it falls in the roster of elite pins, and I never cared for it all that much. Give me a Comet any day.

APf

KEG · « **Reply #20 on:** October 28, 2003, 04:24:58 pm »

I could not believe that 1st lot that went, That guy got that 4x4 dual sit down + i think 2 or 3 more games for about 250. unreal! I am very happy with my purchace. I got the Valley Cougar dart board. It was the one on the far wall by APB. works great.

vitaflo · « **Reply #21 on:** October 28, 2003, 10:29:13 pm »

How do the MOMA auctions work? You have a lot of 2 or 3 machines and you bid on all of them? What if you want only one of the machines? Do you say that after you win and then the others go up for bid in another lot?

Sounds sorta confusing.

APFelon · « **Reply #22 on:** October 29, 2003, 12:05:33 am »

Quote from: KEG on October 28, 2003, 04:24:58 pm

I could not believe that 1st lot that went, That guy got that 4x4 dual sit down + i think 2 or 3 more games for about 250. unreal! I am very happy with my purchace. I got the Valley Cougar dart board. It was the one on the far wall by APB. works great.

Those darts were really nice; If only I had a ceiling tall enough to accomodate one. Hah. I have to settle for a Target wallhanger dart.

Vita- Sorry I wasn't clear. Here's how it worked:

The auctioneer turned on 3-5 machines. The highest bid had choice of the one machine he wanted. For example, that Tron machine was in a lot with some real turds, however, the bidder was actually bidding on the Tron alone or "choice". First choice will usually take the best machine, in that case it was the Tron.

Once the ceiling is set, the winning bidder has the option to buy any or all of the other machines at the highest bid. No one in their right mind would pay 800$ for a crummy Jamma conversion of some boring old Taito title, so the auctioneer starts again.

So say if the APB, the Kageki, and the Shootout were in the same lot, and I REALLY wanted the APB. I get in a bid war with someone and I end up buying "choice" for 400$. I select the APB, and I have the option to buy the Kageki or Shootout for an additional 400$ each. I say no, so the auctioneer asks the mob whether they want to buy any of the machines for 400$.

But here is the rub (and why it is done this way besides speed). Lets say I get in a bid war over that APB... at least I THINK the other guy wants the APB. Little do I realize that he wants the Kageki, NOT the APB. This will tend to drive the price up on the APB (or in his case, the Kageki) because it opens the auction to more than the three guys who want just the APB, but to say nine guys who want choice. Say three for the Kageki, three for the APB, and three for the Shootout. The price will artificially inflate. Pretty tricky, huh?

I'm not too sure whether this technique actually benefitted the MOMA. The lots were often lopsided (A Tron with JAMMA junk, etc) and the equipment went WAY cheap compared to other MOMA auctions I have been to in years previous. Cabinets that look as though they had been dropped off of a truck went for 125$ just a few years ago (the source of my old Superstars of Wrestling cab, a horribly converted Pac--now a stunning and beautiful cab that the envy the world over. Haw). My Pac cab would NEVER have went that high if it were in Saturdays auction. Ever.

People were surprisingly thrifty this year, or they were confused as to what the hell was happening. "Am I bidding on ALL THREE machines??" It probably put off the casual home buyer (collectors and route vendors are probably grateful, though).

I hope that makes sense. This is the truth as how I understand it to be. If anyone wants to add /ammend anything, feel free.

APf

vitaflo · « **Reply #23 on:** October 29, 2003, 09:45:49 pm »

So lets say you bid on the lot of Tron and two crappy JAMMA cabs. You win for $400, and only choose Tron for the $400. The auctioneer then asks if anyone else wants to buy either of the crappy Jamma cabs for $400. Nobody bites at that price (obviously). So what happens then? Do they re-auction just those two crappy cabs over again, or do they just not end up selling them at all?

I wonder if the lower winning bids on things is due to the economy, or the fact that maybe more collectors have already got what they want. I mean, if you already have a Pac-Man, what's the point of bidding on another (unless of course you plan to sell it to make $$)? Then again, I suppose there are only so many machines to go around, especially around here.

Thanks for the explaination though, I appreciate it.

APFelon · « **Reply #24 on:** November 01, 2003, 11:53:25 pm »

Yeah, they just reauction them, starting at 400$ and working their way down until someone bites.

I really hope the auction isn't done this way again next year. I like the Mortal Kombat feeling of a one on one auction bidwar.

ssdesigner · « **Reply #25 on:** November 08, 2003, 04:09:18 pm »

I'm still pretty new to this hobby and I saw the MN post and thought I'd chime in. I'm 32 yrs. old, from Columbia Heights, MN and a big fan of gaming. I'm also a graphic designer and I own a graphics company in Maple Grove, MN. I've been posting in the Artwork forum a bit. I'm planning out the building of my first MAME cabinet as we speak....anyone in MN that has done this please feel free to chime in, love to hear your input!

-SS

APFelon · « **Reply #26 on:** November 10, 2003, 03:07:58 am »

We Minnesotans should have a MAME blast. We could all get together and MAME until we drown in our own sick.

Kidding aside, good luck on your project. Everyone here is extremely helpful, so if you have any questions as you progress, don't hesitate to post to the main forum.

APf

Addendum: It just sunk in that you said you own your own graphics shop. Are you equipped to do marquees, CP overlays and sideart?

ssdesigner · « **Reply #27 on:** November 10, 2003, 11:21:58 pm »

Quote

Addendum: It just sunk in that you said you own your own graphics shop. Are you equipped to do marquees, CP overlays and sideart?

We are a full-production design company and we have a full-service digital printing company at our disposal that gives us any type of digital printing you can imagine at wholesale cost....

I'd love to get together and share some tips/tricks on building these cabs. How many fellow MN's have taken the plunge and built a MAME cab from scratch?

Do you guys plan events to hang out and talk vids then? Keep me posted

-SS

vitaflo · « **Reply #28 on:** November 11, 2003, 12:47:04 am »

Quote from: ssdesigner on November 10, 2003, 11:21:58 pm

I'd love to get together and share some tips/tricks on building these cabs. How many fellow MN's have taken the plunge and built a MAME cab from scratch?

I have, I just finished mine a few weeks ago. Here's the link to it in the projects forum:

http://www.arcadecontrols.org/yabbse/index.php?board=10;action=display;threadid=12758

Haven't met any fellow MAMEers yet, but I do live in Maple Grove. Actually I just found out this weekend that J. Cousineau's just got a Mr. Do machine (in a Stern cab

), and still takes just quarters. I only got to play one game but set the 2nd highest score on it. You should go down there and try it out if ya haven't. They also have Ms. Pac-Man/Galaga, but I think they actually charge a buck for it.

APFelon · « **Reply #29 on:** November 11, 2003, 02:11:09 am »

Ah, J. Couseneus. They had an original Donkey Kong for a while in great shape. I sucked hard at it, which was odd because I can make it to at least the third elevator board in MAME on a bad day.

I have a working MAME cab (my first one. Cosmetically horrid compared to some others I have seen, but it works great) and I am working on my second. The first is an old Wrestlefest and the one I am working on now is a former PacMan. I also have a NEW PacMan machine (Kageki right now), a Head-On, and two pins. None from scratch, I can't do carpentry. I'd probably seriously hurt myself.

As for a get-together, who knows? I'd suggest one, but having a wife and two kids... well... Let's just say it is a real cramp on the schedule.

APf

ssdesigner · « **Reply #30 on:** November 11, 2003, 07:49:00 am »

Very cool, My shop is in the Maple II business complex about 2 blocks from J. Cousineau's. I went there when I first was looking for info on how to build a MAME cab....needless to say the people there were no help at all and actually pretty damn rude. The older guy (who I assume was the owner) was completely put off by me and gave me the attitude like I didn't even deserve to be in his presense.

Oh well, he's got his business practices and I have mine.

Nice custom MAME machine though Vita, looks great!!

-SS

mushmouth · « **Reply #31 on:** November 14, 2003, 06:36:50 pm »

I'm going to be in Minneapolis the weekend of the 22nd and am looking to buy a machine, barely working or not working is fine. I'm buying it to use the cab for a mame cabinet. Monitor? Great, if not, no biggy. Anyone know where I could call or look to line something up? I want to buy it when I'm in town, because I'm bringing a moving van...

APFelon · « **Reply #32 on:** November 15, 2003, 12:06:08 am »

I would suggest my old employer, Lieberman Music Co., but the guy who sells cabs there is untrustworthy. I would just crack open a phone book and make some calls while you are in town.

APf

vitaflo · « **Reply #33 on:** November 15, 2003, 12:25:10 am »

You could try CDL (http://www.cdlcompany.com). They're in Maple Grove, so not really in Mpls proper, but they do have machines. Most of the machines they have are referbished and nice, but I hear they will sell some gutted cabs if you ask for them, but ususally these are the less popular ones (for example, I know they won't sell a gutted Ms Pac-Man).

APFelon · « **Reply #34 on:** November 15, 2003, 05:34:05 pm »

I have an old Pac cab if you want it. It has everything (cab wise) but a monitor. I ask 30$, and I will help you wheel it to your vehicle. I started to Goof-Off the old paint, so the original Pac paint is visable an a small circle.

I live in Big Lake (Between St. Cloud and Mpls) Stripped CP included.
APf

mushmouth · « **Reply #35 on:** November 16, 2003, 03:09:22 am »

Sold. 95% certain. How's the condition? Can you take a couple of digital shots and e-mail them to me?

cory@mushmouth.com

This would be great if it worked out, I was just laying out templates to cut my own pac cab. Yes, I was going to go pac cab anyway. I could pick it up. I'll have a big 'ol moving van.

Any suggestions for a source to replace the monitor? Somewhat cheaply?

I love this forum...
Cory

APFelon · « **Reply #36 on:** November 16, 2003, 04:32:18 am »

How are you on monitor repair? I have a universal mount monitor (19') with a cold solder joint somewhere which causes the vertical defection to malfunction. If you handy with a soldering iron and a multimeter, it should be no problem to find. It has some burn-in (Gun.Smoke) but it is hardly noticable when the monitor is powered. I'll let you have a look at it when you get here and you can decide whether you want it or not.

I'll e-mail the photos as soon as I find the time (a day or two)

APf


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