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Vigo:

--- Quote ---Zero?
Yeah, Zero is a wonderful thing.
In fact, Zero is my hero!

How can Zero be a hero?

Well, there are all kinds of heroes, you know.
A man can get to be a hero
For a famous battle he fought...
Or by studying very hard
And becoming a weightless astronaut.

And then there are heroes of other sorts,
Like the heroes we know from watching sports.
But a hero doesn't have to be a grown up person, you know,
A hero can be a very big dog
Who comes to your rescue,
Or a very little boy who's smart enough to know what to do.

But let me tell you about my favorite hero.

My hero, Zero, such a funny little hero,
But till you came along,
We counted on our fingers and toes.
Now you're here to stay
And nobody really knows
How wonderful you are.
Why we could never reach a star,
Without you, Zero, my hero,
How wonderful you are.

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Rando:

--- Quote from: shmokes on February 17, 2012, 01:56:19 pm ---But . . . Jesus . . . Superman is a STORY. He's not real. His only value is in how interesting he is. He doesn't literally save lives. He saves fictional lives in stories that are supposed to be entertaining. So maybe you're not arguing "who has a better story", but if not you're wasting your breath because that's all there is to argue about. because that's all superman and any other comic book is. A story.

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Dude…
None of these guys are real, we’re arguing about the Avengers vs JLA, wtf? :)

And if we didn’t argue about non-sensical stuff, where would this board BE?

Anyway,
To continue “wasting my breath” I’m not arguing this:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 16, 2012, 07:59:57 pm ---Actually, superman IS boring and he IS lame.

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That’s your opinion. Do I think there been some good Superman stories? Sure. Am I debating the merit of one story over another? No, that’s a matter of taste. I like Superman as a character and have a few trades featuring him, but I don’t go out of my way to read him unless I hear about something that is particularly good.

What I AM arguing is this:

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 16, 2012, 07:59:57 pm ---Btw Superman is NOT a hero.

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This is the thing that doesn’t make any sense to me, and I’m confused that other people think this way, so I brought in some real world scenarios to help illustrate my argument. But because Superman is fictional, you’re not a big fan of that, so I’ll stay fictional. If a plan is falling out of the sky, and Superman catches it, and gets it safely to ground, how is he NOT considered a Hero? To the “fictional” people on the plane, he is the biggest possible Hero that they could ever DREAM about, and will tell their families for years to come that they should thank Superman every holiday that they’re still around. They don’t care that the plane couldn’t hurt him, they don’t think that because he can fly and is super strong that he is obligated to perform such a task. He could have been at a bank robbery, or punching meteors, or looking through some Cheerleader’s clothing. The point is that instead of THOSE things he chose instead to spend his very precious time saving that plane. And afterwards he usually doesn’t hang around for thanks, he’s usually off to plug up a dam or find a new meteor to punch.

--- Quote from: Howard_Casto on February 16, 2012, 07:59:57 pm ---Basically the more super powers you have, the less heroic your do-gooding is.

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So by this argument, that Kick Ass kid is more of a Hero than Superman? Ok fine, Kick Ass saves some chick from some thugs, gets a few bruises, and gains a grateful fan. Awesome job. Superman grabs that plane and 200 people can go on with their lives. I wouldn’t belittle the action that Kick Ass performed because he saved only ONE person, but I’m also not going to discount Superman saving 200 just because it was “easy” for him to do so.

I wrote way too much on this topic, and just like you can’t understand why I don’t think the way you do, right back atcha! ;)

Mikezilla:
Howard... I cant even begin to try and even understand your thinking... We all know you have a hard on for Batman. Thats great. I have one for Spiderman. Favorite hero. Period. But to say that Batman is more heroic than Superman just because he is in more "peril" than Superman is asinine. There wouldnt be a Batman if there wasnt a Superman. Also, you keep comparing him to Martian Manhunter. Yeah, Martian Manhunter is in fact... A Martian. Im not a big DC person, but doesnt he always use his psychic powers to try to understand human behavior? Why do you think he has all of Supermans abilities and then some? Cause he was created after Superman. MM is a perfect example of having powers doesnt make you a hero.

And of course Shmokes, these are characters of fiction. There sole purpose is to entertain children mostly, but even adults. But as you can see, we are on a forum dedicated to obsolete technology. The reason why? To relive our childhood. Same reason we read comics, watch movies, etc. So why not talk about it.

I understand what youre getting at, but I just disagree with you. Your God analogy is ridiculous. Superman isnt a God. ANYONE can beat Superman. Batman has done it a number of times. He can be mindcontrolled. He can be hurt. He can be killed, almost. He isnt some all powerful omniscient being. Youre not basing your argument on anything other than what? You still havent answered me, it cant be the comics, so it must just be the movies.

Like Rando said, I dont believe just because you are at "risk" doesnt make you any less of a hero. Hell, people call sports players "heroes", its insulting.. Keep in mind, they call them SUPER heroes. Rando said it best already about Superman catching a plane. Superman is a hero because not only does he SAVE PEOPLES LIVES and protect them on a global scale, but he always does the right thing. He is bound by his principles that are instilled in him from his parents. When Superman shows up, everyone knows its going to be ok. They are going to be safe. The whole world knows that Superman is a good guy. Keep in mind the when he was created as well.

Indiana Jones a hero? You do know that he evolved into that, pretty much to keep the franchise going right? He is an archaelogist out to further himself, a treasure hunter. Sure he puts stuff into a museum, but cmon. Its mostly for personal gain.

shmokes:
It's about personal sacrifice. Not all actions are equal even when they are equal. When a dad takes a second job so his kid can travel to Europe with his high school class it means something more than when Larry Ellison's kid signs up for the trip. It's not saying that Larry Ellison is a bad guy. For all I know he spends half his time trying to cure Leukemia. But not all equal actions are created equal. I simply refuse to believe that you don't understand what I'm saying. This has to be deliberate. There is a palpable difference between, "Thank you, you saved me," and, "Thank you, you risked your life to save me." Those are two different things. Super ---smurfing--- obviously two different things. If you don't see that I have a difficult time believing that it isn't intentional.

Dartful Dodger:
You are all my heroes, equally.

I can now hold my head up high while I spend this weekend in my basement painting HO scale buildings and scenery.

Thank you, for being bigger losers than I.

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