Author Topic: Pole Position: Mamed? Help needed! (Read 21392 times)

jipp · « **Reply #40 on:** January 11, 2011, 02:44:21 pm »

what a cool project i spent many hours at the pizza hut playing pole position. cant offer any help other than if your computer dose not have a game port you can buy game port cards.. well you could so may check into that.

good luck.

chris.

newkillergenius · « **Reply #41 on:** January 11, 2011, 02:48:50 pm »

Quote from: heinekenlvr on January 11, 2011, 02:32:28 pm

The Opti Pac and A Pac will work nicely together. Mame will recognize the steering wheel as a 'mouse' and it recognizes the a-pac as a separate device. To solve the shifter problem use MAMEWAH's shiftermame download. Google 'shiftermame' and download it from mamewah's website. If I remember correctly, shiftermame also contains mame so you only need to run shiftermame. MAMEWAH has great support IMO as well. The guys were more than willing to help me set mine up.

Quote from: BadMouth on January 11, 2011, 02:29:48 pm

I don't have any personal experience with it, but I'm pretty sure that's what using mame v.56 or Minwah's Shiftermame accomplishes.

From what I've read, in those versions you have to hold a key down for it to stay in high gear.
If you release the key, it automatically goes back to low gear.

So if the shifter holds a switch closed when it is in high gear, this would work properly.

They changed it in later versions so people wouldn't have to hold a button down, but it screws it up for someone with an actual shifter.

Brilliant! That's what has been holding me up this whole time!!!

OK, well this is what I think I am going to proceed with:

Using optics from a PS2 mouse (optics) for the wheel. Initial tests showed that this was a good solution, the steering responded quite smoothly.
Purchasing an A-pac to interface the shifter and gas pedal, and downloading the Shiftermame. I'm off to look for it now. Anyone with the correct version link pop it up here if you get the chance...

Cheers everyone!!

BadMouth · « **Reply #42 on:** January 11, 2011, 02:50:11 pm »

Quote from: newkillergenius on January 11, 2011, 02:48:50 pm

and downloading the Shiftermame. I'm off to look for it now. Anyone with the correct version link pop it up here if you get the chance...

See my post earlier in this thread.

newkillergenius · « **Reply #43 on:** January 11, 2011, 02:51:24 pm »

LOL just saw it and downloaded it, thanks BadMouth

Wow, just stumbled upon this thread

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=80181.0

and this one!

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=79932.0

newkillergenius · « **Reply #44 on:** January 11, 2011, 03:21:59 pm »

So I tried Pole Position with the Shiftermame compile. i have to admit, GREAT idea. Since the shifter only works 1 way, this seems like it will work for the project.

I'll try to get the CPU sorted out for the project by the weekend and upload some progress pics. I have the mouse have already standing by and need to get an A-pac in the mail.

BadMouth · « **Reply #45 on:** January 24, 2011, 03:06:20 pm »

Any progress to report?

newkillergenius · « **Reply #46 on:** January 24, 2011, 03:08:04 pm »

Yeha actually, I had 2 dead MOBO's...yuck.

Pulled out a small form-factor PC I had lying around, p4, kinda overkill for this project, but at least I can get something going now, and transplant something later.

Looks like I will be free to spend some time with it on Tuesday night. I'll get more pics and progress up.

jipp · « **Reply #47 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:27:31 pm »

Quote from: newkillergenius on January 24, 2011, 03:08:04 pm

Yeha actually, I had 2 dead MOBO's...yuck.

Pulled out a small form-factor PC I had lying around, p4, kinda overkill for this project, but at least I can get something going now, and transplant something later.

Looks like I will be free to spend some time with it on Tuesday night. I'll get more pics and progress up.

i have a question. how did you d term the motherboards were dead. i have a computer and on boot all it will do is beep. i tried to put a video card in thinking maybe that was the problem with the on board video.

dose a solid beep on no matter with the apg vieo card in or removed.. dose this sound like a bad motherboard? i reseated the cpu, and ram. as it wont boot into the bios or anything. so the thing is dead at this point.. which is to bad as its taxed out with ram/hard drive space.. would like to get that pc up in running as its maxed out in ram and everything.. and use it for my sisters cab.

newkillergenius · « **Reply #48 on:** January 24, 2011, 04:39:53 pm »

Quote from: jipp on January 24, 2011, 04:27:31 pm

Quote from: newkillergenius on January 24, 2011, 03:08:04 pm
Yeha actually, I had 2 dead MOBO's...yuck.

Pulled out a small form-factor PC I had lying around, p4, kinda overkill for this project, but at least I can get something going now, and transplant something later.

Looks like I will be free to spend some time with it on Tuesday night. I'll get more pics and progress up.

i have a question. how did you d term the motherboards were dead. i have a computer and on boot all it will do is beep. i tried to put a video card in thinking maybe that was the problem with the on board video.

dose a solid beep on no matter with the apg vieo card in or removed.. dose this sound like a bad motherboard? i reseated the cpu, and ram. as it wont boot into the bios or anything. so the thing is dead at this point.. which is to bad as its taxed out with ram/hard drive space.. would like to get that pc up in running as its maxed out in ram and everything.. and use it for my sisters cab.

Sounds like you may have a problem with your RAM to me, or peripheral cards are incorrectly seated or incompatible. MOBO is probably OK.

BadMouth · « **Reply #49 on:** February 10, 2011, 10:29:56 am »

One of the people in this thread who own a Pole Position.....

help a HarumaN out already: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=109451.0

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #50 on:** February 10, 2011, 10:55:48 am »

Quote from: BadMouth on February 10, 2011, 10:29:56 am

One of the people in this thread who own a Pole Position.....

help a HarumaN out already: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=109451.0

TY

newkillergenius · « **Reply #51 on:** February 10, 2011, 01:00:38 pm »

Will take a look when I can, I have been really really busy this month playing catch up. Weather in OK is not so great lately.

opt2not · « **Reply #52 on:** February 10, 2011, 01:42:35 pm »

Quote from: BadMouth on February 10, 2011, 10:29:56 am

One of the people in this thread who own a Pole Position.....

help a HarumaN out already: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=109451.0

Help a brother out!

newkillergenius · « **Reply #53 on:** March 02, 2011, 02:36:57 pm »

OK, we're getting Haruman sorted, and trying to get back to speed on the Pole Position MAME project after repairing a broken pipe...IN THE ARCADE....

Further updates coming soon....

HaRuMaN · « **Reply #54 on:** March 04, 2011, 02:12:39 pm »

19" monitor, right?

newkillergenius · « **Reply #55 on:** March 08, 2011, 10:55:30 am »

Sold the machine today to make room in the shop. Haruman, I waited for you since the 25th of February but never got a call, a number or an email.

Sorry man. The machine is now with another collector, though he is a fine human being. He has agreed to fill out your spec sheet should it ever reach me.

Take care...
Please see Haruman's progress in his thread here:
http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=109134.msg1167777#msg1167777

I'm done with my build
/thread

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #56 on:** January 13, 2012, 03:51:25 pm »

Is ShifterMama360 still available anywhere? The links I've found are all dead. I am working on a 360 driver / PP convert.

Quote from: heinekenlvr on January 06, 2011, 08:53:24 am

I built a Pole Position dedicated MAME that plays nothing but various versions of PP and PP2. To solve the shifter problem I used shiftermame360. That took care of the the on-off problem usually associated with the shifter. I used an Apac for the gas pedal and it works great with the POT. I am running Atomic as my FE.
I agree that the MAME version of PP/PP2 will never give you the 100% feel of the original but if you incorporate shiftermame360 along with the Apac, the MAME version can be very very close...at least my 4 year old thinks so.

BadMouth · « **Reply #57 on:** January 13, 2012, 04:04:49 pm »

Shiftermame: http://mamewah.mameworld.info/downloads.htm (uses v.125 roms)

MAME V.144 w/shifter fix applied: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=83870.msg1237526#msg1237526

Links to both can be found in the driving cab thread linked to in my sig.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #58 on:** January 16, 2012, 12:30:57 pm »

Thanks BadMouth. Once my A-Pac arrives from across the pond, I'll hook everything up and give this a try (providing I can the find v.125 roms!)

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #59 on:** January 17, 2012, 09:55:45 am »

I need to defer to the geniouses again...this time, a question about the steering wheel mouse hack. So I mounted an old roller mouse board to the PP bracket. I am using the original PP <encoder wheel?>. It works, but it is inverted. Is there anyway short or removing and resoldering the mouse wires to invert the x axis?

Also, while we're on the subject, is there a correct setting for the hacked mouse to get close to the speed the cursor should be moving in relation to the steering wheel? It seems very slow right now. It may just be something I have to mess around with to get it close, but I don't want to reinvent the wheel if I don't have to.

Thanks eveyone!

BadMouth · « **Reply #60 on:** January 17, 2012, 02:46:38 pm »

All those things are addressed in the "in game" menu of MAME.
(press TAB to enter by default)

It's under Analogue Controls in the main menu.
You can invert axis and adjust sensetivity there.

Ignore the options that say "digital"
They only affect how key presses respond when substituted for analogue controls.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #61 on:** January 19, 2012, 10:26:30 am »

Any thoughts on a FE for a driver cabinet? My PC doesn't seem to have the ass to run Hyperspin...that and the APac hooked to the pedal doesn't work well (wants to constantly spin the wheel due to HS reading the pedal in up position as joystick down).

Also, I am trying out ShiftMame125, but my roms are v.124 I believe. The Offroads and Sprints are working pretty well, but the Pole Positions are a mess on many levels (especially the shifting). Is there a way to easily update the roms?

Thanks!

BadMouth · « **Reply #62 on:** January 19, 2012, 11:30:13 am »

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on January 19, 2012, 10:26:30 am

Any thoughts on a FE for a driver cabinet?

I'm using MALA.

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on January 19, 2012, 10:26:30 am

Also, I am trying out ShiftMame125, but my roms are v.124 I believe. The Offroads and Sprints are working pretty well, but the Pole Positions are a mess on many levels (especially the shifting). Is there a way to easily update the roms?

Look up rollback roms and clrmamepro. Even though you are rolling forward, the files clrmamepro needs to build a v.125 set are contained in the current rollback roms.
Finda tutorial and follow it to the letter. This isn't plug n play type stuff.

If you have to download rollback roms, why not just use the v.144 that I linked to and download the current v.144 roms for the games you want?

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #63 on:** January 19, 2012, 11:39:31 am »

Good idea, v.144 may be the way to go. Man, it's been a while since I worked with mala. I tried it and MA before settling on HS in my last cabinet, but it was 4 years ago.

I have an idea for a work around on the APac with HS, but it's gonna be a pain in the ass. But if doubling the RAM helps HS run smoother, it's worth a try instead of starting over again on the FE.

Thanks for the help BadMouth...I'm sure I'll be pestering you for info again soon.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #64 on:** January 23, 2012, 10:44:31 am »

Frustration is setting in and I am really losing momentum in the project. I tried updating the roms, didn't seem to make much of a difference (v.124 to v.125). Tried compiling a Mame version 144 with the shifter patch (and hi score/nag patch). I got a working version, but the nag screens were coming up, and the games played the same (crappy). It may be time to take a step back and maybe the answer will present itself.

On the hardware side, thing were looking up. I doubled my RAM to 1GB and it smoothed things out quite a bit. I still think I'm gonna switch the FE, probably to Mala. HS isn't working well with the steering wheel. I also added another switch to the shifter, so maybe I can go that route if all else fails.

My biggest concern other than PP/PP2 shifter issues is the pedal sensitivity. It's pretty much all of nothing, almost like a switch. I need to play with the calibration I guess. But I seem to be adding problems faster than solving them on this project.

BadMouth · « **Reply #65 on:** January 23, 2012, 11:02:14 am »

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on January 23, 2012, 10:44:31 am

My biggest concern other than PP/PP2 shifter issues is the pedal sensitivity. It's pretty much all of nothing, almost like a switch. I need to play with the calibration I guess. But I seem to be adding problems faster than solving them on this project.

Reduce the joystick deadzone in mame to almost nothing (see driving cab thead for an actual number, I don't remember at the moment).
Then adjust the sensetivity under analogue controls in MAME's in-game menu.
Whatever you do, don't map anything to Pedal Inc and Pedal Dec.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #66 on:** January 23, 2012, 03:32:13 pm »

Looks like default sensitivity is 100. Any idea of which way I need to adjust it (lower or higher)?
Thanks

BadMouth · « **Reply #67 on:** January 23, 2012, 04:35:52 pm »

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on January 23, 2012, 03:32:13 pm

Looks like default sensitivity is 100. Any idea of which way I need to adjust it (lower or higher)?

No idea at all, but it should only take a couple minutes for you to figure it out for yourself.

Pinball Wizard · « **Reply #68 on:** January 23, 2012, 06:55:46 pm »

I'm doing a similar project with a PP, but I'm a cheap SOB, and already have the control panel mouse-hacked for the steering. Now the pedal is analogue, and you mentioned something earlier about using the gameport and a 100k pot. Can I get more info?

BadMouth · « **Reply #69 on:** January 23, 2012, 09:18:07 pm »

Quote from: Pinball Wizard on January 23, 2012, 06:55:46 pm

I'm doing a similar project with a PP, but I'm a cheap SOB, and already have the control panel mouse-hacked for the steering. Now the pedal is analogue, and you mentioned something earlier about using the gameport and a 100k pot. Can I get more info?

This is how my positional gun is wired up. A pot is a pot.....pinouts for the gameport are the same.

Assuming your computer has a gameport. If not, I'm not sure it's worth the trouble of installing an old sound card with one on it or buying a gameport/usb adapter.
I have a usb adapter that I got for $12, but I don't see any that cheap on fleabay now.

Pinball Wizard · « **Reply #70 on:** January 23, 2012, 10:36:05 pm »

Thanks! I have a couple old computers laying around, I'm sure I can find something that will run Pole Position and Shiftermame and still have the gameport... And I think I have a USB adapter floating around somewhere that came with some joystick I got, plus I got sound cards laying around.... Can you tell I'm a geek yet?

Curious, why the 100K pot?

BadMouth · « **Reply #71 on:** January 24, 2012, 09:05:39 am »

Quote from: Pinball Wizard on January 23, 2012, 10:36:05 pm

Curious, why the 100K pot?

It's what the gameport was designed for.

You could use a lower value pot, then correct for it through windows joystick calibration,
but the 5k arcade pots don't work very well. The resolution is just too low.
It makes the axis move in big steps instead of the smooth motion you'd expect from an analogue input.

100k pots are $3 at radio shack. Just make sure to get the linear taper.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #72 on:** January 24, 2012, 09:43:32 am »

Some encouraging news today, I got ShifterMame working! I may have goofed up and pointed the FE to an old version of Mame or something. I installed Mala with the racing layout, pointed everything to where it should point, and boom, I'm playing PP2 fairly accurately. I'm still having pedal issues. I reduced the deadzone to .05, and tinkered with the sensitivity, but I'm still getting a pretty much on or off thing going. I'm going to remove the pedal assembly and clean it up, lube the hinge, and take a look at the springs. It seems like it's not returning back to the 'up' position all the way when you take your foot off. Maybe that's the problem, maybe not, but I'm going to rule it out one way or the other.

BadMouth · « **Reply #73 on:** January 24, 2012, 09:50:49 am »

Quote from: LLUncoolJ on January 24, 2012, 09:43:32 am

Some encouraging news today, I got ShifterMame working! I may have goofed up and pointed the FE to an old version of Mame or something. I installed Mala with the racing layout, pointed everything to where it should point, and boom, I'm playing PP2 fairly accurately. I'm still having pedal issues. I reduced the deadzone to .05, and tinkered with the sensitivity, but I'm still getting a pretty much on or off thing going. I'm going to remove the pedal assembly and clean it up, lube the hinge, and take a look at the springs. It seems like it's not returning back to the 'up' position all the way when you take your foot off. Maybe that's the problem, maybe not, but I'm going to rule it out one way or the other.

Again, make sure you don't have PEDAL INC or PEDAL DEC mapped to anything.
Don't be afraid to reduce the sensetivity all the way down to 1 or 2.

LLUncoolJ · « **Reply #74 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:37:06 am »

I'm going by memory here, but i think the default settings on Pedal Inc / Pedal Dec were "none" and "ctrl" or vise versa. Is there an easy way to set a control to "none" in MAME?

I'll try taking the sensitivity down as well. I'm still going to remove the pedal, I have a strong suspicion that is part of the problem. I founf a pic of the assembly online today, I think I know how it comes out if there.

Pinball Wizard · « **Reply #75 on:** January 24, 2012, 10:50:12 am »

Quote from: BadMouth on January 24, 2012, 09:05:39 am

Quote from: Pinball Wizard on January 23, 2012, 10:36:05 pm
Curious, why the 100K pot?

It's what the gameport was designed for.

You could use a lower value pot, then correct for it through windows joystick calibration,
but the 5k arcade pots don't work very well. The resolution is just too low.
It makes the axis move in big steps instead of the smooth motion you'd expect from an analogue input.

100k pots are $3 at radio shack. Just make sure to get the linear taper.

Makes sense, was just curious is all. Well I will be posting up a project about this soon, stay tuned.

Malenko · « **Reply #76 on:** January 24, 2012, 11:43:59 am »

Quote from: Pinball Wizard on January 23, 2012, 06:55:46 pm

I'm a cheap SOB, and already have the control panel mouse-hacked for the steering.

Where'd you get that? :p

Pinball Wizard · « **Reply #77 on:** January 24, 2012, 08:13:49 pm »

Quote from: Malenko on January 24, 2012, 11:43:59 am

Quote from: Pinball Wizard on January 23, 2012, 06:55:46 pm
I'm a cheap SOB, and already have the control panel mouse-hacked for the steering.

Where'd you get that? :p

Hmm, I got it when I picked up so e firewood

just kidding!


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