This is important - MAJOR Worm Warning

[AlanS17]

I'm not picking sides, but I will say this:

Viruses are written for MS products cuz they will cause optimum damage. Viruses are not written for Linux products because even if it devistated Linux workstations most of the world wouldn't notice or care.

I would also venture to guess that the same people that use Linux workstations are also more likely to have other countermeasures (such as hardware firewalls) in place. This makes them a less appropriate target.

[anthony691]

Brotherhood of Linux, Linux is better, blahh blahh blahh .... Same old same old ... If you are an elitist and want a system to do what you want it to do (or be able to change it to do what you want it to do) while not caring about any software that the real world operates on then *nix is for you.

But in the real world, open source and anti MS sentament does not make any sense (or cents). While we are in the habbit of pulling stats out of thin air ... allow me.. I "venture to guess" that .005% of office secretaries use *nix and .005% of executives use *nix based systems as their work station pc.

You can parade your penguin and protest MS every day all you want, but it will not change the fact that Windows and MS Products are what real world business is built on.

As for how many people "know how to code" ... who cares? The vast majority of software is written for productivity related environments. Now.. being a "coder" .. doesn't it make sense to develop for the "vast majority" ? Maybe not if you don't care about making money... but again my post is based on the real world where making money is the purpose for everything.

Every time there is a new worm/virus that effects MS products the *nix and Mac crowd come out of the woodwork to flame the rest of us. Of course if the user base for *nix or Mac was higher we all know that there would be viruses/worms that effected them. Lets be honest though, the reason there are no worms effecting Linux or Macs today is the same reason there are no retail software titles for these OS either.

So be the black sheep (penguin) if you want to be. But don't think you are better because you are different.

For the record, the fact that windows is exploited so much is a compliment to how popular it is, not to how unsecure it is.  All oses even the "secure" ones have similar security holes.  It's just that nobody uses those oses becuase they suck, including hackers, and thus they don't get as many worms, viri, ect programmed for them.  

But HC; I would asume about 75% of Linux users know how to code as opposed to probably 5% of Windows users. I think that there is a brotherhood of Linux. You can't even compare the two. And saying Linux sucks is very ignorant! Where would we be without Apache? And where will you be in M$'s world of the future (longhorn et cetera) with Paladium and DRM up the wazoo?

Just sayin...

Hmm...

Things you are ignorant to:

-Apache is king in web-serving (duh)
-MS Office compatible Office suites are built into almost any Linux distro. (free)
-Money isn't everything (you'll learn this someday)
-By code I was referring to coding viri
-You can pop a Linux box onto just about every network.

I would agree completly that .005% of executives use *nix. I would also say they could operate on Linux with no problem.

What percentage of labratory's around the world use *nix? Well many, many more than use Windows! Every lab I have ever been to only runs Linux. The ones down at the UOC campus. Hell the particle excelerator's support systems run Linux.  (the one in Il).

SHOW ME ONE thing that you can do on Windows that you can't on Linux! (gaming aside)

Any buisiness where computers are mission critical, and are reallly serious about computers use Linux for servers anyway.

Now I'm not talking about workstations, (different story all together)

And as for there being no comercial software for *nix, there is (sadly). The world would be a better place if there was not.

Do money and the business world compose all of your life? Small life. I pity you.

I can say confidently I won't be jumping out of a building on Wall Street someday...

[ThePaul]

Anthony,

Thanks for the personal flames. Do you make it a habbit to label people you do not know as ignorant? I imagine some might take offense to that.

I never said that there is something you can do on Windows that you can't do on *nix. There is no need to take offense and worry that I am trying to put down your beloved OS. I know it is like a cult for you to be pro penguin.

Again my post and message are based on the real world. You said, "Do money and the business world compose all of your life? Small life. I pity you". Thanks, but I don't need your pity. Againe, I only refer to the real world which acording to you is made up of ignorant people who should be running Linux (after all anyone running MS products is ignorant.. right?). ... On that we will have to agree to disagree.

[SirPoonga]

ACtually, M$ has 905 of the desktop world.  The server world is a completely different story.  M$ may have more than half by now but *nix is still there.  Look at this site, abvious which OS this site runs bases off YabbSE

Actually, Apache has 60% of the web servers of the world.  I don't know if that number includes the off shoots of apache like IBM's httpd.  Well, that was last year stat to.  So the "real world" does use *nix quite extensively.  The desktop world uses windows.  There's a big difference there.  There are alot more desktops than servers.  


I'm not standing up here for any OS, they all have their good points and bad points.  Personally, I love BeOS, but only for multimedia apps.  You probably couldn't have a faster OS for multimedia.  The cube demo is quite impressive.  Linux is great for running webservers and such.  Windows is great desktop OS.  Mac OS X is a great all around OS.

I do think it is funny thouh that when one flaw is found in and OS supports of the other OSes start laughing.  About 7 years aog linux had a major security hole to teardrops.  Each OS has it's issues.  But since Windows is the most popular desktop OS there are going to be alot more people whole barely know the basics of using the computer that you can take advantage off so it's a target.

I found a hole in Mac OS X in my Mac class.  Opps, it defaults execute file permissions for all levels.

[anthony691]

Anthony,

Thanks for the personal flames. Do you make it a habbit to label people you do not know as ignorant? I imagine some might take offense to that.

I never said that there is something you can do on Windows that you can't do on *nix. There is no need to take offense and worry that I am trying to put down your beloved OS. I know it is like a cult for you to be pro penguin.

Again my post and message are based on the real world. You said, "Do money and the business world compose all of your life? Small life. I pity you". Thanks, but I don't need your pity. Againe, I only refer to the real world which acording to you is made up of ignorant people who should be running Linux (after all anyone running MS products is ignorant.. right?). ... On that we will have to agree to disagree.

If I did make a personal attack; I went too far. I am sorry for that.

I did mean ignorant though. Which I stand by being true. All that ignorance is is not knowing something. I don't think you know very much about Linux.

I offer you a copy of Knoppix Linux. Linux that operates completly from CD-ROM. It has no install, and comes with office. I'll pay shipping! If you are brave enough to try something new and use it before you put it down; PM me your address (assuming you're in the US).

[ThePaul]

Anthony,

Thank you for the offer, but like I said you have me figured all wrong. I am familiar with *nix, in fact I have a flavor of it called "familiar" running on my IPAQ right now. I never said *nix sucked or was crappy or something.. I never attacked it. I have a degree in Computer Science, I understand the powerful nature of open source in the hands of talented developers... But not in the hands of billions of real life working class people who make the world go 'round.

Oh I wanted to ask you, what is the purpose of everything if not to make money?  

[SirPoonga]

I understand the powerful nature of open source in the hands of talented developers... But not in the hands of billions of real life working class people who make the world go 'round.

As I said, 60% of the web servers out there are Apache.  billions of real life people use it each day, een if they don't realize it.   Heck, YabbSE and most forums are open source.

Oh I wanted to ask you, what is the purpose of everything if not to make money?  

Because you can  I'm working on the controls.dat and not making money from it.  Mame devs aren't making money from making mame.

You only need money to pay bills and make arcade cabinets.

[Spaced Invader]

You only need money to pay bills and make arcade cabinets.

Tryin' to stay out of this debate...but that comment deserves an AMEN!

[jerryjanis]

You only need money to pay bills and make arcade cabinets.

Right on...

[hooded_paladin]

and, uh, ddr pads and other bemani controllers ...

kay I'll leave now

[MrBond]

MrBond - you are the man! Thanks! That is exactly what I needed!

Awesome...glad I could help!
'Case you didn't clean it completely:
http://www.sophos.com/virusinfo/analyses/w32spybotb.html

Today I just helped a friend remove the msblast worm.....HOLY CRAP.  I HATE THIS WORM.  Of course, I was able to conquer it with my computer savy ("geekness"), but geese, any "normal" person would go insane trying to hurdle the registry, the fact that the worm doesn't allow you download the patch to prevent infection, you have to be familiar with safe mode, msconfig, and not to mention the services.msc.  You have to make sure the RPC service is set to restart the service, not the computer (which is why people can't use the internet when they are infected...it constantly restarts).

Fun stuff...
At least I got $20 out of it

God help the common computer user who gets this worm...amen

[SNAAAKE]

ummm...
Is this some kind of virus.I got this email from "microsoft".
Thoughts ?

[BombProofPlane]

the guy obviosly spoofed his email address i cant believe you thought it was really microsoft

[SNAAAKE]

the guy obviosly spoofed his email address i cant believe you thought it was really microsoft

lol...
I didnt think it was microsoft.
looked like a suspect....

[Sasquatch!]

Anyone who spells "MICRO$OFT" with the dollar sign needs to be slapped upside the head with a fish.

[emdkay]

I don't know if this is related to the worm or not, but I need some help.  Over the past couple days I've received about 8-10 emails in two different outlook express accounts that are returned mail, that I never sent.  Several of them are saying that there was a virus in the email I sent, others say that the recipient does not exist.  

These emails are not being seen in my sent boxes, and I ran a full virus scan with AVG's latest virus definition.  Any ideas?  

[saint]

Couple of viruses making quite a bit of noise with spoofed email addresses lately.

The Klez virus will take the address book from an infected system, pick 1 address to use as it's forged "from" address, and send itself to the rest of the addresses.  If you are the unfortunate one whose address was picked as the fake "from" address on the infected computer wherever it is, any replies sent to that faked "from" address come to you.  

There's also another whose name I don't know that claims to be from "admin@yourdomain.com" such as "admin@arcadecontrols.com" --  if you are the owner of the domain, then people/auto responses to the admin@xyz.com email will go to you.

Both of these can fill your inbox with auto-responses and hate mail from people who think you really sent the email when you didn't.

I regularly get spam/porno email addressed to my saint@arcadecontrols.com address, and the from address is also saint@arcadecontrols.com .... I'm fairly certain I didn't send those

As long as your virus protection is up to date and you scan regularly, the above emails amount mostly to more spam

--- saint

I don't know if this is related to the worm or not, but I need some help.  Over the past couple days I've received about 8-10 emails in two different outlook express accounts that are returned mail, that I never sent.  Several of them are saying that there was a virus in the email I sent, others say that the recipient does not exist.  

These emails are not being seen in my sent boxes, and I ran a full virus scan with AVG's latest virus definition.  Any ideas?  

[emdkay]

I regularly get spam/porno email addressed to my saint@arcadecontrols.com address, and the from address is also saint@arcadecontrols.com .... I'm fairly certain I didn't send those

   

Thanks for the quick response and saving me from a massive headache.  I ran more virus tests and everything is clean - looks like you were right.  I actually took pride in that one email box because it never got spam until now