Monitor presets

[lordoxide]

Another +1 for the Betson Imperial 27" (aka Kortek KT-2914) 

Not sure if this will help Service Manual

[Calamity]

Another +1 for the Betson Imperial 27" (aka Kortek KT-2914) 

Not sure if this will help Service Manual

Check this: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,117489.msg1477621.html#msg1477621

[eldiego]

Hi i have a nanao ms 8, 25 or 26".
i am using at 15 khz
wich config you recomend? arcade 15_7?
arcade 15_7 extended?
i am using xp and the last drivers for this o.s. i am having a black strip at left about 2 cm
Se puede hablar en espaņol?
Saludos

[FriskyNoodle]

How would I adjust vertical porch and horizontal porch to get the image perfectly on a 1343MD with no underscan?

Also Ive been having issues with CRT_Emudriver

I have an R7 270 in my 2nd PCI slot and Im using DVI>VGA>BNC to the monitor and I installed the driver fine, the display works and all that, but the problem is when I load ArcadeOSD it chooses my 1070 and says "no driver found". How would I get arcadeOSD to choose the proper video card? Also every single time I load up GroovyMAME I get a switch res error stating "could not find a video mode that meets your specs" Im assuming its not using the 270 in 2nd PCI slot but its using the 1070 and cannot find the driver package installed? Im seriously at a loss. Been working on it for awhile now and I cannot seem to figure this out. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[folken]

Bonjour ā tous! :-)
First I'm french so excuse my poor english level... 
Second I would like to know if my emulation system is 100% optimized to run my Groovymame (0.158), CRT Emudriver (9.5) and Switchres on my PAL TV.
So here is my devices:
Mame 0.158
Windows XP Pro 64 bits
Micro atx gigabyte mother board
Intel Xeon X3380 CPU
4 Go ddr2
Ati radeon X1050 GPU

To match with my french PAL TV I've set these monitor presets:
GroovyMAME format: crt_range0  15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.192, 1.024, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
VMMaker format: monitor_specs0 15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.192, 1.024, 0, 0, 288, 448
Is it the preset for my PAL TV and I would like to know which preset I must use for my Sony PVM 2950?
Thank you for your help! ^_^

[Dochartaigh]

monitor "bvm_d24e1wu_alt", "Sony BVM-D24E1WU - Alternate", "4:3"
        crt_range0 15200-20500, 54.70-62.00, 1.500, 4.700, 4.700, 0.602, 0.191, 1.352, 0, 0, 192, 288, 390, 576
        crt_range1 30300-35000, 54.70-62.00, 0.500, 2.000, 2.600, 0.128, 0.030, 1.032, 0, 0, 320, 480, 0, 0
        crt_range2 30300-35000, 54.70-62.00, 0.500, 2.000, 2.600, 0.030, 0.030, 1.032, 0, 0, 481, 512, 0, 0
        crt_range3 42200-49900, 54.70-62.00, 0.800, 0.755, 3.400, 0.067, 0.156, 0.444, 0, 0, 640, 800, 0, 0

FOR THE EXTRON TURN OFF ADSP.  It's a piece of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- mode, at least for groovymame, and screws up interlaced games by forcing them to progressive mode and dropping half the fields.  It also will make alignment impossible.  You will have to realign every time your reboot for every mode.  You've been warned.

emubastard hasn't been on for months, but hopefully someone can help me. I have one of these Sony multiformat BVM monitors and just want confirmation I'm editing my mame.ini correctly.

Should I leave the monitor line as "custom" or put "monitor "bvm_d24e1wu_alt", "Sony BVM-D24E1WU - Alternate", "4:3"" in there? I ask because in VMMaker, in the dropdown menu, I didn't see an option for "bvm_d24e1wu_alt" so I don't know if that's a official mode baked into the software or what.

Then simply add in the crt_ranges as such, and that should be it for mame.ini, correct?




For the user mode text document, that should be added in VMMaker, replacing the user_modes - super.ini, correct? Then per Calamity's tutorial make sure to check "Export settings to GroovyMAME". Then Generate Modes, Install modes?

What interests me in that text document is the desktop resolution lines. I'm currently stuck at 640x480 (even though my monitor can go up to 1080i/1920x1080) - and I can't read most text, or even do things like create a ROM playlist with my frontend since the option boxes are too far off that small 640x480 desktop. Did I miss a step to have my desktop (while using regular Windows) display in a higher resolution mode?

[Calamity]

Should I leave the monitor line as "custom" or put "monitor "bvm_d24e1wu_alt", "Sony BVM-D24E1WU - Alternate", "4:3"" in there? I ask because in VMMaker, in the dropdown menu, I didn't see an option for "bvm_d24e1wu_alt" so I don't know if that's a official mode baked into the software or what.

When you use "Export settings to GroovyMAME" in VMMaker, you don't need to do anything in mame.ini, VMMaker edits it for you, that's the point of it. I added this option to save myself from the work of copying and pasting crt_range lines around all the time, which is prone to errors. Notice the monitor option in mame.ini will always be set to "custom" whatever monitor you select in VMMaker. This forces GM to read the crt_range options explicitely instead of using its built in presets. GM has no knowledge of the name you give to your own created preset in VMMaker, say "bvm_d24e1wu_alt", it just reads the crt_range lines added to mame.ini.

[Dochartaigh]

When you use "Export settings to GroovyMAME" in VMMaker, you don't need to do anything in mame.ini, VMMaker edits it for you, that's the point of it.

I think that's the problem - VMMaker doesn't have a monitor profile in the drop-down menu which works for my monitor (or any of the super popular Sony multiformat BVM's or the PVM-14L5 and 20L5 series). The closest one is "Arcade tri-sync15.7/25/31.5", but these don't do 25kHz (mine does 15.7/31/33/47kHz I believe).

If I shouldn't edit my mame.ini manually, and nothing fits my monitor from the drop-down menu in VMMaker, how should I proceed?

[Calamity]

When you use "Export settings to GroovyMAME" in VMMaker, you don't need to do anything in mame.ini, VMMaker edits it for you, that's the point of it.

I think that's the problem - VMMaker doesn't have a monitor profile in the drop-down menu which works for my monitor (or any of the super popular Sony multiformat BVM's or the PVM-14L5 and 20L5 series). The closest one is "Arcade tri-sync15.7/25/31.5", but these don't do 25kHz (mine does 15.7/31/33/47kHz I believe).

If I shouldn't edit my mame.ini manually, and nothing fits my monitor from the drop-down menu in VMMaker, how should I proceed?

You're not getting the point. The lines you posted from emubastard for the BVM are supposed to be used in VMMaker, not GM. Then VMMaker exports those settings to GM.

[philexile]

Hello,

Regarding emubastard's settings, I recall trying these back in January 2016 and they didn't work well for me. I'm not sure if he made major progress between then and March of the same year, but I do know that he sort of "gave up" on GroovyMame. He now has an amazing arcade machine collection though!

I also own a Sony "digital" BVM – the Sony BVM-D32. The digital models are great because they will sync both 15khz and 31khz signals. They cannot handle 24khz unfortunately. The models to keep an eye out for would be:

D Series
Sony BVM-D9*
Sony BVM-D14*
Sony BVM-D20
Sony BVM-D24
Sony BVM-D32

A Series (please note: these require a rare and expensive BKM-68X expansion card)

Sony BVM-A14*
Sony BVM-A20*
Sony BVM-A24*
Sony BVM-A32*

Sony PVM-20L5 (This is a PVM, but its sort of a 'budget' BVM-D20 functionality-wise)

* These models use a different RGB interface and are picker about "proper" sync. This could cause serration at the top of the monitor or other unexpected picture distortions.

All that said, I had a lot of good luck with the Generic 15khz/31khz settings, which I noticed is no longer included. I would suggest adding that back.

A number of people own these monitors and it would probably be beneficial to test and vet what modelines work best. I don't think anyone test Emubastard's settings, so they shouldn't be taken as the "gold" standard, with all respect.

Thanks

[Dochartaigh]

To jump onto Phil's bandwagon, how would I go about creating my own timings for my Sony BVM D-Series multiformat monitor? I would ideally like 3x resolutions: 15khz for 240p, 480p for 480p, then a 720p or 1080i setting simply for a decent desktop size (as I don't think there's any arcade games which are in 720p/1080i so that would only be used for the desktop and would DRASTICALLY help with setting up MAME front ends which I'm majorly struggling with in 640x480).

I know Calamity has a tutorial in the beginning of this topic of how to load all those listed presets (for different popular/commonly-used monitors) into vmmaker.ini (and then vmmaker edits the mame.ini for you I believe), BUT how does one go about creating (they're called "modelines", correct?) their own specialized modelines for a specific monitor which isn't listed?

I've dealt with video timings on Raspberry Pi's before (with the RGB output boards), so I'm a little bit familiar with the front/back porch settings used to center the image and simple things like that, but that's the limit of my technical experience (like most people I think, this isn't something we're familiar with whatsoever).

So if I know the default/stock 15khz "arcade_15" setting works on my monitor (needs to be centered though which I can tweak myself), so I can use that as my modeline for 15khz. Then would I just borrow a line from the "arcade_31" setting from another monitor for my 480p resolution mode? Load both of those into vmmaker.ini under my own profile (which I'll name "D20F1U" for my monitor), then track down some arcade games which were natively in 480p and see what happens? Am I missing anything or is that the basic gist?

[Obiwantje]

I am trying to create 3 custom lines based on the following specs - and for the life of me I can not work out the math - any body able to give me hand?

[Calamity]

I am trying to create 3 custom lines based on the following specs - and for the life of me I can not work out the math - any body able to give me hand?

I've worked out these ranges that should be in spec according to your chart.

      crt_range0  15500-16000, 50.00-61.50, 3.150, 5.000, 6.550, 0.256, 0.192, 1.024, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
      crt_range1  24430-25230, 50.00-61.50, 0.950, 4.000, 3.550, 0.240, 0.160, 1.040, 0, 0, 384, 400, 768, 800
      crt_range2  31000-32000, 50.00-61.50, 0.950, 3.500, 2.550, 0.288, 0.096, 1.056, 0, 0, 400, 512, 0, 0

Bear in mind that those timing charts are usually not optimized at all. It's usually possible to squeeze the monitor's operational range a bit more by optimizing the vertical porches, and still be safe.

[Obiwantje]

Woohoo!

MANY thanks Calamity - I am going to try these out and revert back to you - thank you for all the great tools you made for us!

[P.H.U.]

Hi Calamity,

Suspect that I need custom timings for my Neotec NT-33c monitor. Please help with this. The closest to a manual I could find for this monitor is for the NT-35c, which should be just the larger sized version. I have tried using the presets:  generic_15, arcade_15, & arcade_15ex. No luck. Should be noted that I am chaining the video output through a J-Pac. Without the J-Pac, the video is too dim but flickering is gone.

Windows and thus my front end (Attract Mode) are very flickery. Darn near unusable. I have set the resolution of my Attract Mode FE graphics to 640x480 in AM's settings. Still things are bad as it seems to be pervasive to any screen in Windows. Games once launched from AM or the command prompt play beautifully in fullscreen using Super Resolutions however. Thanks!

Nevermind. Doesn't seem to be a problem if by-passing J-Pac and its video amp.

[Edglaf]

I've been using for a while for various televisions. They make, up to date, the most sensible replacement for an old-style arcade cabinet. However, it is frustrating adjusting the image geometry because we do not have potencimetres at the back of the chasis to perform this task with just two fingers.

Instead we have the service mode. Normally it can easely be accessed, sometimes it can not for whatever reason. Other times, specially in chip brands, it offers anyway severe limitations making it useless for our purposes

Among the commonest problems spotted using generic_15 and default crt_range0 values:

Overscanning of the vertical size
horizontal shifting etc

By trial and error I guess I could eventually get a decent adjustment but I do not understand well how this format works, and how these values interact one each other. I simply get the idea that modifying "porch" values change dramaticly the geometry features we interest. How can exactly these values correspond to TV service mode geometry aspects feature?

namely:

V-size
H-size
v-shift
h-shift

thanks,

[Calamity]

V-size: not adjustable by software.
V-shift: proportion between V front and back porches.

H-size: inversely proportional to the sum of H front and back porches.
H-shift: proportion between H front and back porches.

[folken]

Calamity? What do you think about my settings in my previous post? ;-)

[Yuke]

Hello all,

im new to this CRT_Emudriver witchery and asking myself if anyone has good presets for my Phillips 28PT7007/12 Consumer-CRT. My problem is that with the Arcade-15khz setting my picture in SNES games is too far to the right and bottom. I have to move it to the left (like maybe 1-1.5cm) and up (maybe 2-2.5cm) to be centered.

Any suggestions are very welcome. Maybe someone had a similar problem.

[Yuke]

Hello all,

im new to this CRT_Emudriver witchery and asking myself if anyone has good presets for my Phillips 28PT7007/12 Consumer-CRT. My problem is that with the Arcade-15khz setting my picture in SNES games is too far to the right and bottom. I have to move it to the left (like maybe 1-1.5cm) and up (maybe 2-2.5cm) to be centered.

Any suggestions are very welcome. Maybe someone had a similar problem.

Well, guess this was a longshot to begin with, lol. But maybe someone is kind enough to give me some information about the "monitor_specs" line. I have a RGB-Scart CRT, so i can output 50 and 60hz but im not sure what resolutions i can output. Is it enough to put PAL resolutions in the line or do i also need a line for NTSC resolutions?

Second Question: Can i adjust the porch values like i did in the HDMI timings of my Retropie/Pi2Scart System to center the image? The dimensions are different here somehow (VPorch Value <1??).

Thanks in advance.

[elvis]

Did some testing tonight on my Chinese knockoff cabinet "Megalo City 29":
https://wiki.arcadeotaku.com/w/Sega_Megalo_City_29

No idea what the CRT or chassis is.  Tube is made in Mexico, chasis has "Model-988" printed on it, but no other useful branding.

arcade_15 caused convergence issues along the top half-inch of the screen.  Reducing the VSyncPulse down fixed that, and my final working mode across as many ~15KHz 4:3 horizontal games as I could test in GroovyArcade 2018:

crt_range0   15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.142, 0.324, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576

[folken]

Bonjour ā tous! :-)
First I'm french so excuse my poor english level... 
Second I would like to know if my emulation system is 100% optimized to run my Groovymame (0.158), CRT Emudriver (9.5) and Switchres on my PAL TV.
So here is my devices:
Mame 0.158
Windows XP Pro 64 bits
Micro atx Gigabyte mother board
Intel Xeon X3380 CPU
4 Go ddr2
Ati radeon X1050 GPU

To match with my french PAL TV I've set these monitor presets:
GroovyMAME format: crt_range0  15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.192, 1.024, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
VMMaker format: monitor_specs0 15625-15750, 49.50-65.00, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.192, 1.024, 0, 0, 288, 448
Is it the preset for my PAL TV and I would like to know which preset I must use for my Sony PVM 2950?
Thank you for your help! ^_^

[digitron]

Sega Astro City w/ MS9 chassis, is it better to run this preset or just Arcade Monitor 15khz preset?

 // Nanao MS9-29
   ms929
   
      crt_range0  15450-16050, 50-65, 3.910, 4.700, 6.850, 0.190, 0.191, 1.018, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
      crt_range1  23900-24900, 50-65, 2.910, 3.000, 4.440, 0.451, 0.164, 1.048, 0, 0, 384, 400, 0, 0

[Dracrius]

Could I use the info from this Timing Calculator to make a preset? I tried setting the calculator to "VESA 1600x1200" and it has all the values I'd need but they are represented as pixel counts not microseconds.

I ask because I tried editing the VESA 768 preset but every resolution from VESA is very distorted. So rather then having to adjust a single resolutions (with Arcade 31) I'd have to adjust EVERY resolution with my monitors OSD if I use a VESA preset. I'd rather understand how to make a proper preset for my monitor. Unfortunately I can not find an online copy of the manual or Timing chart for my monitor as that seems to be the easiest way to get the needed information.

When I tried to edit the Arcade 31 preset it would break and not generate any modelines at all when I hit generate.

I'm trying to make 480 my lowest so 240 plays at 480 and 768 as my max with 384 games being displayed at 768.

This is what I tried to do to Arcade 31 and idk why it didnt work. I went back to edit Arcade 31 because its modelines match my monitor. All except 384 but I'd rather those games played at 768 anyways. I am trying to double resolutions so that when I add scanlines  they go over those duplicate lines. I'm guessing I will still have to adjust the 768 res if I can get it to be used but adjusting one resolution is no big deal.

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monitor "arcade_31", "Arcade 31.5 kHz - high resolution", "4:3"
        crt_range0 31400-31500, 49.50-65.00, 0.940, 3.770, 1.890, 0.349, 0.064, 1.017, 0, 0, 480, 768, 0, 0

[Dracrius]

Figured out why the Arcade 31 Preset wouldn't accept resolutions higher then 512. It was one or both of the sync frequency's. I adjusted both the maximums to match my monitor as I can at least deduce those from the information I have. My new Arcade 31 Preset is as follows.
 

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monitor "arcade_31", "Arcade 31.5 kHz - high resolution", "4:3"
        crt_range0 31400-93750, 49.50-75.00, 0.940, 3.770, 1.890, 0.349, 0.064, 1.017, 0, 0, 480, 1200, 0, 0
Since there is no 1600x1200 modeline that last resolution never gets made but the stock 1600x1200 is maintained so I'm not to worried. NVM it appears to generate missing modelines its way off unlike all the other resolutions though. I reduced it to 960 until I learn to edit modelines as vector games appear to use the highest res in the list unless I'm mistaken!

[Vectorfire]

VMMaker 1.2b is obsolete. Please use the new CRT Tools 2.0, which are synchronized with GroovyMAME and are much easier to use.

Im confused, the instructions I used just yesterday state to use VMMaker. No mention any CRT tools?

http://geedorah.com/eiusdemmodi/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=1016#p1016

Are those instructions no longer valid? more importantly, has using them already going to screw me in any way?

[Calamity]

VMMaker 1.2b is obsolete. Please use the new CRT Tools 2.0, which are synchronized with GroovyMAME and are much easier to use.

Im confused, the instructions I used just yesterday state to use VMMaker. No mention any CRT tools?

1.2b is obsolete. 2.0 (VMMaker & CRT Emudriver) is fine.

[Nevohteeb]

Hello everyone,

I am trying to create several modelines to use my Raspberry Pi 4 under Retropie in my arcade cab, and I found this post a few weeks ago.
I used switchres to generate the modelines, and it appeared some work (green ones) whereas some don't (red ones):

ModeLine 320x240x60.00    6.63984   320   336   368   424   240   242   245   261
Modeline   384x224x59.63   7.904513   384   400   440   504   224   235   238   263
Modeline   448x224x59.17   9.408014   448   472   520   600   224   236   239   265
Modeline   448x224x60.00   9.396   448   472   520   600   224   234   237   261
Modeline   384x224x60.00   7.89264   384   400   440   504   224   234   237   261
Modeline   320x224x59.19   6.650094   320   336   368   424   224   236   239   265
Modeline   320x224x60.00   6.63984   320   336   368   424   224   234   237   261

I read deeper inside the code to find some explanations, and I found the values mentioned in the first post:

   
   // Hantarex MTC 9110, Hantarex Polo
   h9110, polo
   
      crt_range0  15625-16670, 49.5-65, 2.000, 4.700, 8.000, 0.064, 0.160, 1.056, 0, 0, 192, 288, 448, 576
      

Nevertheless, I can see in the Hantarex MTC 9110 service manual those values:

• Horizontal range: 15.625 kHz +/- 0.5 kHz. Then, the range should be 15.125 kHz to 16.125 kHz
• Vertical range: 45-65 hz
• Horizontal blanking: 12 us
• Vertical blanking: 1 ms

We can see that:

• 2.000 + 4.750 + 8.000 = 14.750 us (not 12 us?)
• 0.064 + 0.160 + 1.056 = 1.28 ms (not 1 ms?)

Would someone have an explanation about those numbers? How were they determined?

[Calamity]

Hi Nevohteeb,

Those numbers were determined by direct experimentation on my own Hantarex. I found that 12 us wasn't enough for horizontal blanking (it caused a black shadow on the left side of the screen). 1 ms wasn't enough either, it would cause line distortion on top of the screen. I found the values provided were safe in all cases.

With regards to the horizontal range, iirc the manual says 15.625 kHz +/- 0.5 kHz adjustable. Adjustable means that you have a window of 1 kHz width (-0.5, 0.5) kHz that you can adjust up or down by means of the hfreq potentiometer. In my experience, the most useful adjustment is the one that covers 15.6-16.6 KHz. This allows 256p@60 Hz, for vertical games like 1942, that many other arcade monitors and TVs don't support.

[Nevohteeb]

Those numbers were determined by direct experimentation on my own Hantarex. I found that 12 us wasn't enough for horizontal blanking (it caused a black shadow on the left side of the screen). 1 ms wasn't enough either, it would cause line distortion on top of the screen. I found the values provided were safe in all cases.

Hi Calamity,

well, thanks for those informations. Very useful for me.

I'll now try to figure out why I can't get any 384x224 resolution working.