Time to knock on his door

[Rick]

...after people started noticing it and commenting about how neat and cool it will be to have one she's lightened up about it.  I swear we have a line of friends who want to play it when it's ready...

I'm hoping my Wife opens up to it as well.  There have been more than a couple friends who have expressed their interest, but so far, all I've been getting is some eye rolling.  Fingers crossed!

[Ginsu Victim]

I did get my wife to accept the idea of a cocktail cabinet, so I'm working on making that happen at some point. 4-way, 2-button, vertical MAME.

[Encryptor]

This person is also selling MALA with the MAME.

"It uses the Latest Version mala frontend with everything already configured "


Encryptor

[Dazz]

The bartop is his SIGNATURE?  WTF?  That's beyond annoying.

Haha -I thought that was an attached pic...

Doh!  Me too.

[drventure]

Oops. I'm guessing maybe my sig's too big too, eh? 

Hmm, Sorry bout that, I'll see if it can't slim it up a bit.

[Ginsu Victim]

Nah, yours is fine. I'm guessing you didn't see the one we're talking about when it was still HUGE. It was like this:

[drventure]

Ouch. Ok. yeah, that's a little much 

[crip102468]

Yeah my bad i didnt realize my sig was that big and i am sorry for that its all fixed no harm done and thx for pointing that out for me ty. Great wonderfull site i love it. Now back to knocking on this guy door.

[Ginsu Victim]

I tried to report, but it kept freezing on me every time. Don't know what the deal is....

[Osirus23]

Reported all his stuff.

[pinballwizard79]

I dont understand, how is seeding & leeching any better than buying a set of DVD's? Hell I bet that dude IS a seeder that you all owe your collections to perhaps.

What Jedi & holy methods did you guys use to acquire your roms (rhetorical question of course)? My first set was 6+ years ago was a DVD collection on ebay, the next 2 came from an online source in Istanbul. Having roms is having roms guys, regardless of how found.

You guys who talk about preservation are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, no one builds an awesome machine with custom artwork packed with a anodized spinners and flyweight, dedicated 4 way, Happ trackball & LED buttons after joining a BYOC forum are in it just to document zip files never opened. Pffft I though you guys were gamers, not librarians! Man up with me, play robotron drunk eating wings on a huge awesome machine!

Dont misinterpret my rant as trolling, I still like you guys 

[shateredsoul]

no no, you don't get it.. we pretend to be librarians and read the books when no one is looking.

[darcyp]

I dont understand, how is seeding & leeching any better than buying a set of DVD's? Hell I bet that dude IS a seeder that you all owe your collections to perhaps.

What Jedi & holy methods did you guys use to acquire your roms (rhetorical question of course)? My first set was 6+ years ago was a DVD collection on ebay, the next 2 came from an online source in Istanbul. Having roms is having roms guys, regardless of how found.

You guys who talk about preservation are full of ---steaming pile of meadow muffin---, no one builds an awesome machine with custom artwork packed with a anodized spinners and flyweight, dedicated 4 way, Happ trackball & LED buttons after joining a BYOC forum are in it just to document zip files never opened. Pffft I though you guys were gamers, not librarians! Man up with me, play robotron drunk eating wings on a huge awesome machine!

Dont misinterpret my rant as trolling, I still like you guys 

im kind of with you. although this is technically bad, how much is this guy making on this? $10 after dvds? it almost isnt even worth the money for the work of burning them. i feel like he is charging for the blank dvds and the burning of them, not for the software on the discs.

[bradx]

ha ha ain't that the truth

I barely was able to convince her that the mame one would fit in our apt.. but after people started noticing it and commenting about how neat and cool it will be to have one she's lightened up about it.  I swear we have a line of friends who want to play it when it's ready... I'm aiming for September.

I'll get some actual cabs when we have an actual house to put them in. Hopefully

same thing happened here, she said absolutely no way not even one cab until i got one anyways and her friends came over and couldnt stop playing, now i have 3 cabs, a project cab and a pinball and she hasnt complained in a long time!

[bradx]

also: reported.  dont care if he is making $1, $10, or $100 the mame license specifically states it cannot be used in a commercial setting or as part of a for profit enterprise.  if i could make $10 profit just to copy a couple dvds i would do that all day long!  and no, i have never sold a machine with roms on it.

[Ginsu Victim]

The ROMs aren't the only things being sold, though. He's got MAME, Mala, and who knows what else on those discs.

[SlayerAlex]

snip

tell you what though, if it was legal. ALOT of other people would be selling it as well. heck i probly would too. And we would all get undercut by chinese sellers probly.  hah Im only reporting him out of jelosy. haters gunna hate.

[pinballwizard79]

Yal some silky johnsons lol

http://www.pp2g.tv/vZnB6Y3c_.aspx

[tommyinajar]

I don't know what the problem is. Didn't you read-

"Note to Ebay:

THIS DISC IS NOT AN UNAUTHORIZED COPY.

THE COPYRIGHT OF THE CONTENT IS EITHER OWNED BY THE SELLER, OR HAS BEEN FULLY AUTHORISED FOR USE/REPRODUCTION/SALE BY THE COPYRIGHT OWNER, OR IT IS FREELY AVAILABLE IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. THE SALE OF THIS ITEM BY SELLER DOES NOT COMMIT ANY BREACH OF COPYRIGHT OWNERSHIP OR COPY REGULATIONS, IT THEREFORE COMPLIES FULLY WITH ALL OF EBAY'S RULES AND REGULATIONS "

Seriously, I know it's more morally (to us ) wrong to make money of  (re)pirated items. At $100, no, At $20... that barley even covers the discs, burner, & time. I ordered a Rom set from back in the day for $25 and was elated.


I wonder how many more people would get back in to arcade games, if they didn't have to setup Mame, Mala, Clrmame, U-torrent, find and D/l Roms- You have to admit that's a bit to chew off for casual, computer illiterates.

Just sayin'

[Rick]

Didn't you read

I read it.  Did you believe it?  "Authorized" or "Freely Available in the Public Domain".

 

[newmanfamilyvlogs]

Clearly he's purchased every PCB with the proceeds of selling the discs, therefor making them authorized copies

[Ginsu Victim]

I don't know what the problem is. Didn't you read-

Yeah, we read it on the first page when SlayerAlex posted it first.

[tommyinajar]

I don't know what the problem is. Didn't you read-

Yeah, we read it on the first page when SlayerAlex posted it first.

I only read the current page of threads I'm on, if I had the time to read every page, I could burn Roms for a living.

Didn't you read

I read it.  Did you believe it?

 

Ebay must....

[Ginsu Victim]

I only read the current page of threads I'm on, if I had the time to read every page, I could burn Roms for a living.

                                     WALTER
                         Were you listening to the story,
                         Donny?

                                     DONNY
                         What--

                                     WALTER
                         Were you listening to the Dude's
                         story?

                                     DONNY
                         I was bowling--

                                     WALTER
                         So you have no frame of reference,
                         Donny.  You're like a child who
                         wanders in in the middle of a movie--

[HaRuMaN]

You're out of your element, Donny.

[shateredsoul]

Lets just all have white Russians and forget about all this

[Ginsu Victim]

[releasedtruth]

We are a tempermental bunch and I like it. It all comes back to the dude and how that ROM rug really tied the room together. I'm not a fan of him making a buck on the backs of people offering free product. Everyone sources material in different ways, but I've been sold copies masquerading as legit copies of software before and that definitely pisses me off...

The whites, Dude.

[Haze]

re: selling / giving away

it annoys developers and manufacturers to see such things being sold because of the following simple fact

somebody else is making money out of your hard work in a way which requires no real effort on their part.

be it to the MAME developers or the copyright holders this simple fact makes a big difference, it goes from a few people having a good time (a hobbyist project and community centered around old systems) to a commercial venture and brings a lot of negative attention to emulation in general.  Note that even when the manufacturers have made the games available for distribution on the MAME site they've specified it to be for non-commercial use only for the very same reasons.

Trying to pass somebody else's work off as your own, and making a profit out of it is an arsey thing to do.

[Frigo]

re: selling / giving away

it annoys developers and manufacturers to see such things being sold because of the following simple fact

somebody else is making money out of your hard work in a way which requires no real effort on their part.

be it to the MAME developers or the copyright holders this simple fact makes a big difference, it goes from a few people having a good time (a hobbyist project and community centered around old systems) to a commercial venture and brings a lot of negative attention to emulation in general.  Note that even when the manufacturers have made the games available for distribution on the MAME site they've specified it to be for non-commercial use only for the very same reasons.

Trying to pass somebody else's work off as your own, and making a profit out of it is an arsey thing to do.

[amendonz]

hm cracks me up around here, i'm no pirate enthusiast but lets be honest, the vast majority here never paid for the original copy of their roms. So high and mighty. If I didn't have the means to get rom sets i'd possibly consider this option. Sue me.
 

[Malenko]

hm cracks me up around here, i'm no pirate enthusiast but lets be honest, the vast majority here never paid for the original copy of their roms. So high and mighty. If I didn't have the means to get rom sets i'd possibly consider this option. Sue me.
 

getting roms and selling roms arent the same thing.

[amendonz]

I understand that but i'd just make believe i'm paying for the dvds and time used to burn them.  I'm not saying it's sweet as. But for someone like me in a country with such crap internet plans it would take months to get, and chew my whole cap up. I've got a mate sending me a harddrive loaded up. Offered him money for his time, but he wouldn't even take money for the hdd, so i'm paying postage and thats it. 

[Malenko]

you justify it however you want. If you were selling them on ebay we'd hate you too.

[amendonz]

ok. I guess apart from greasing up to someone for help sussing the romsets, the're not many options but to slowly work on building a collection. Most likely out of the question for most people.   I still think he's hardly profiteering but whatever. I do take exception to selling mala. Call me a hypocrite if you will.

[tommyinajar]

Regardless if you think selling roms, Mala or whatever is wrong for even the price of the time and  DVD's. We could just start a thread and flag and report them with the uncaged fury of the BYOAC members  
 



There were a few in New York/New Jersey we started on, and the guy started responding on CL to quit flagging him.



http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/vgm/1922281994.html

[pinballwizard79]

So you guys think its morally "ok" to steal something as long as you dont sell it or give it away right? Thats where you draw your line in the sand?

If you buy (edit: torrent) a prostitute you are no better than the pimp or the trollop, so get off your copyright infringing self righteous horses & give the guy a break. $20 = this dude is a ---smurfing--- saint helping the community. Those who oppose please delete your hard drive full of stolen ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to show me how much you believe in your cause.

Meanwhile I am going to watch my ebay acquired public domain 20 dvd set of all 190 three stooges episodes.

I feel so dirty

[shateredsoul]

He has a point..

Oftentimes this argument is veiled as an argument about the rights of the companies who created the games... if that were the case then we wouldn't download those roms ourselves (it doesn't matter if it's for preservation, I can't steal a copy of an important museum document in order to make a copy for the sake or preservation).  I don't think what' he's doing is right either, but I do see the contradiction here that most of you who are complaining have already "stolen" roms.  He's making some money off of someone else's stealing... I do consider it stealing when you make a copy of a board and then resell it.  It's like renting an xbox 360 game then copying it to a jtagged 360, buying a music cd copying it to itunes then returning it, etc etc..  We all are doing something that is technically stealing (even if you do it for the sake preservation, doesn't matter).

My question is, would you guys still report this fellow if he wasn't using the mame or mala name? If he didn't includes those brand names he wouldn't be violating any of the mame or mala agreement.  And since those roms aren't released by the mame team (...right?), there should be no bigger issue there than what we all are doing when we download rom sets.

The real issue is whether he can package mame and use the mame name (same with mala).. so why not stick to that argument? The rom argument is null when all of the people disputing it are romers.  He violated the mame and mala agreements, lets stick to that argument since that is the only real argument that can be head (considering we all had to acquire the roms in non-legit ways and  building a mame collection requires that one do this).

[nitz]

So you guys think its morally "ok" to steal something as long as you dont sell it or give it away right? Thats where you draw your line in the sand?

If you buy (edit: torrent) a prostitute you are no better than the pimp or the trollop, so get off your copyright infringing self righteous horses & give the guy a break. $20 = this dude is a ---smurfing--- saint helping the community. Those who oppose please delete your hard drive full of stolen ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--- to show me how much you believe in your cause.

Meanwhile I am going to watch my ebay acquired public domain 20 dvd set of all 190 three stooges episodes.

I feel so dirty

+1

I've never understood why people who download their roms from a torrent, meaning that you're sharing them as well (ie, giving roms to people) get angry when someone sells DVDs of the roms, but ONLY charges enough to cover the discs, shipping, and maybe a few dollars for his time (ie, giving roms to people). It's the same thing, only the medium is different.

I kinda get it if someone's charging $100 for a few DVDs - that is a douchey thing to do, but anyone who buys something like this online without researching it first is asking to get ripped off. I'm not saying it's right or that they deserve it - no one deserves to be taken advantage of, but they're asking for it.

I also get it if people are upset that it attracts negative attention to mame. But I don't think that's usually people's main concern.

I've also never understood people's fixation on trying to police this kind of stuff. Is that really a good use of your time? Is anyone really getting hurt? Does it even affect you other than you don't like it? These threads always remind me of a guy I know. He gets worked up about every little injustice he sees no matter how minor or how little it affects him. He'll go on a 10 minute rant, red-faced and veins popping, about basically nothing. I feel sorry for him. It seems like a sucky way to go through life.

This forum is a valuable source of info and I love you guys and I love hanging out here. But I'm gonna paraphrase pinballwizard: Man up and go play some games!!!

[Osirus23]

This thread makes me sick, people selling MAME and we have users here cheering them on. This site has really gone downhill.