TOKENS: Poll 1: Design Decision VOTING CLOSED

[Santoro]

Atomic BYOAC Logo:


BYOAC PAC-Logo[/b]

[saint]

Love the Pac logo  Are we still considering nickel or are we set on the brass?  I'm happy either way, just looking to clarify.

--- saint

Atomic BYOAC Logo:


BYOAC PAC-Logo[/b]

[TheGatesofBill]

I voted atomic, but really I'm fine with either.

[Santoro]

Love the Pac logo  Are we still considering nickel or are we set on the brass?  I'm happy either way, just looking to clarify.

--- saint

I am really trying to do a batch of each. The terms I am able to work out with the mint will determine it.   Only problem is the 10000 minimum on Nickel.

Most likely scenario right now is 10000 Nickel and 5000 Brass, first come-first served.

[Generic Eric]

I voted for the atomic, but I like them both.

[Chris]

This is an absolute toss up.  I finally voted Atomic by a hair because a) I like the URL at the bottom, and b) I think Atomic will look better without stippling, and stippling increases die charges.

But I'll take either of these brilliant designs in a heartbeat.  Pixelhugger, you are truly a master with a digital brush!  You have GOT to put your initials on these somewhere before they go to the mint...

[Santoro]

For the record, based on the almost universal agreement, Chris' Atari Start 1 Happy Guy is going to be the other side.  I didn't see the need to vote on it versus any other design.

[Pixelhugger]

Pac Logo. Instant arcade recognizable goodness IMO.

[hulkster]

so i guess the mame logo is out?

[Pixelhugger]

Probably so. But there's always next years designs. I imagine Mame will be featured in a number of entries if a second contest is run

[hulkster]

ill probaby wait till then

[DPsx7]

Stippling might seem neat, but won't it give dirt more places to collect, griming up the coins faster? I think I'll vote for the atomic one like I've been in favor of since the start.

[Chris]

Stippling might seem neat, but won't it give dirt more places to collect, griming up the coins faster? I think I'll vote for the atomic one like I've been in favor of since the start.

I was just wondering that myself.  I was looking through tokens tonight to see if that was the case, but none of the ones I have are stippled.  

However, it's worth noting that looking on their website, I don't think their stippling is nearly as dense as the mock-ups Pixelhugger has been making.

[mahuti]

I think the pac vs is much more suited to our purpose.

[BASSOFeeSH]

While the atomic logo is cool, it doesn't say "Games" to me.

[Calawala]

Voted Pac.     I don't think the stippling is a requirment for the pac design, if it proves to be too expensive.

[Pixelhugger]

However, it's worth noting that looking on their website, I don't think their stippling is nearly as dense as the mock-ups Pixelhugger has been making.

I'm glad you brought this up. The stipple effect I applied is set to the minimum texture size I could easily generate, but it's still closer to cottage cheese than to the sandstone type texture I was intending. I would think the stippling would be more like a dulling of the texture than the kind of relief map effect you see on my mock ups. FWIW

[Chris]

However, it's worth noting that looking on their website, I don't think their stippling is nearly as dense as the mock-ups Pixelhugger has been making.

I'm glad you brought this up. The stipple effect I applied is set to the minimum texture size I could easily generate, but it's still closer to cottage cheese than to the sandstone type texture I was intending. I would think the stippling would be more like a dulling of the texture than the kind of relief map effect you see on my mock ups. FWIW

This is the only token I saw on their site that has what I believe to be the "stipple" effect:

[patrickl]

Yeah, those I saw too and they look ugly if you ask me.

I saw an other coin/medal maker and they would have "non reflective" areas. I guess they were sanded or something (stippling smaller than the eye can tell). That looked pretty nice.

FWIW I'd rather have the Pac version with the Atomic BYOAC text (I don't really see the start button in the double ringed O)

BTW rather unfortunate that there is no real vote for the design. Basically only one design with a minor tweak.

[Santoro]

Yeah, those I saw too and they look ugly if you ask me.

I agree, but I don't think that is stippling.  That looks to me like a custom texture.

BTW rather unfortunate that there is no real vote for the design. Basically only one design with a minor tweak.

As with the slogans, I picked the designs that had more than a few people speaking up for them in the threads.  I want the tokens to be something for which there is wide enthusiasm. No offense to the llama, cartoon pac, Mame, etc, but the enthusiasm was low for those.  

I suppose we could have added bathroom guy to the poll, but given the feedback in the threads, seriously, does anyone think he was going to beat these two designs?

[patrickl]

BTW rather unfortunate that there is no real vote for the design. Basically only one design with a minor tweak.

As with the slogans, I picked the designs that had more than a few people speaking up for them in the threads.  I want the tokens to be something for which there is wide enthusiasm. No offense to the llama, cartoon pac, Mame, etc, but the enthusiasm was low for those.  

That's just what a vote is supposed to determine.

[Santoro]

I am sorry that you don't agree.  

The idea is this:  Our primary goal is to narrow down the choices to a design that is win/win.  (the group likes it, and I won't wind up with 5000 unbought tokens and $800 credit card balance.)  

In the threads I encouraged people to speak up about the direction we were going.  People did speak up and that is a perfectly valid measure of popularity.  As Chris said, consider the threads to be the primaries.  If, for example, the Llama fans sat silently on the side, it is too late to go back because we have spent too much time on these designs.  

This is the 'election' where the viable candidates are being voted on.  

We can agree to disagree.  If you think this voting process was no good, you do have the option of funding a run of tokens just the way you like to meet all of the demand you seem to think is being overlooked.

[patrickl]

You keep saying that you get "stuck" with a lot of tokens.
-  By your own process description you only do the run if you have enough preorders  to break even. I understand you stand to make a lot of money on this after that (I guess about $750), but I don't think that's a valid argument to the people footing the bill.
- If people choose a certain design it will be the most popular and therefore sell the most tokens anyway.
- All designs I saw had a central logo and room for slogans around. So there is no loss of "time spent on these 2 designs".

I agree that it doesnt matter in the end, but now the vote seems fixed and it's an unfair treatment on the other designs that were turned in.

[SuperRabbit0]

I agree that it doesnt matter in the end, but now the vote seems fixed and it's an unfair treatment on the other designs that were turned in.

I agree you might be surprised at the results of a poll, especially as it relates to the Player 1 image...

[Santoro]

You keep saying that you get "stuck" with a lot of tokens.
-  By your own process description you only do the run if you have enough preorders  to break even. I understand you stand to make a lot of money on this after that (I guess about $750), but I don't think that's a valid argument to the people footing the bill.

That will be the process if the groups vote for a risky, relative only in 2004 type slogan.  If it is arcade-ish, I am going to take a chance and buy 15000.  

- If people choose a certain design it will be the most popular and therefore sell the most tokens anyway.
- All designs I saw had a central logo and room for slogans around. So there is no loss of "time spent on these 2 designs".

All of my statements were made in a logo/graphic context.  I am not talking about the slogans here.

I agree that it doesnt matter in the end, but now the vote seems fixed and it's an unfair treatment on the other designs that were turned in.

 

Dude, go back and read the Sticky thread again beginning to end.  It is crystal clear where the enthusiasm is.   If I am way off base here I am sure that there will be hundereds of posts telling me that I am wrong.

[patrickl]

Nice to see you try to make $1200 of other peoples work. An alternative would of course be to just take a fair share and lower the prices if there is more demand.

But that explains why the vote is indeed fixed then. Never mind. Just sad.

[Santoro]

1) You forget tax.  You forget that I have to mail seventy five boxes to move 15000 tokens.  Plus with the cost model I am considering, I am going to buy silver and brass while leaving the price at $35ish.  I am probably going to eat the extra die costs for stippling.  I have reduced the price. and the profit margin is WAAAY below your number. Take your baseless accusations somewhere else.

{Oh, and I see you edited the number down to 1200 from 1500.  Still way high - try again.}

I'm done with the conversation.  I am comfortable that I have been open from the start that I would make a modest profit for my effort.  This is sour grapes, pure and simple.

Pixelhugger, Chris, any problems with this?  If yes I will stop right now.

[DPsx7]

Crap. Looks like the Pac design took a huge lead... Oh well. I guess I'm a little surprised and disappointed at the same time.

[Chris]

Pixelhugger, Chris, any problems with this?  If yes I will stop right now.

I have absolutely no problem with it, although if you wanted to sell me and Pixelhugger (and Saint, since he's been so tolerant of us taking over his board) the tokens at cost I wouldn't argue with that either...

[Santoro]

That's only fair.  Done.

[patrickl]

I'm done with the conversation.  I am comfortable that I have been open from the start that I would make a modest profit for my effort.  This is sour grapes, pure and simple.

This is not about your profit, it's just that I don't want you to hear you complain over and over about not making enough profit if the people who pay for the coins choose the designs they like best.

I expected a fair vote on the design. I know the outcome would not be different, but I'm sure the people who put their designs forward would have liked to have seen their designs entered in the vote (I know I would have). At least to see if it was third or fourth. Simply dismissing all other designs (apparently apart from the ones you like) is needlesly rude.

[Calawala]

I agree that it doesnt matter in the end, but now the vote seems fixed and it's an unfair treatment on the other designs that were turned in.

For what it is worth...

The Llama design I posted was more tonge-in-cheak than anything.  I actualy thought I had offended people with it and kinda regreted posting it.

The P1 bathroom guy was cool in a simple-iconic way.  But I also got the impression that the Atari design was the clear favorite, which it also turned out to be mine as well.

The cartoon-Pac design, at least the rendition I created from AmericanDemon's design, came out looking nice I thought.  But again, it was my personal opinion that the Atari was better and there was nothing in the thread to indicate that people thought otherwise.

As submitter of the above 3 designs, I don't feal the least bit slighted as I also got the impression that the designs Santoro chose were the one's that the people chose in the threads.   (Well... I guess my ego would have liked to see if I could win a vote or two...    )

I also don't mind Santoro making some profit off this as well.  He stated his intent upfront.  I was ok with it then, I'm ok with it now.

- Calawala

[patrickl]

I agree that it doesnt matter in the end, but now the vote seems fixed and it's an unfair treatment on the other designs that were turned in.

(Well... I guess my ego would have liked to see if I could win a vote or two...    )

That's just the point I'm trying to make. Allthough I think that chris's Pac atomic design and American Demon's design could have gotten a lot of votes (they might have even come close to winning).

[Calawala]

Doh...

Point taken, but I made that comment more in jest than in some kinda hint that that's what I really wanted.

[fredster]

vote pac

[Santoro]

I know the outcome would not be different, but I'm sure the people who put their designs forward would have liked to have seen their designs entered in the vote (I know I would have). At least to see if it was third or fourth. Simply dismissing all other designs (apparently apart from the ones you like) is needlesly rude.

OK, I see this particular point.  In my own defense, the intent in omitting the other designs was not to be rude, but rather to protect the feelings of the others.  I know my really bad design would have not recieved one vote, even from myself.  I would rather not suffer the humilation.   But I didn't consider that for some of the others a distant third might have been gratifying.  

All that said, since we all agree that the outcome would be the same, let's keep what we have going here, with my apologies for denying the others a chance to see their design in the vote.

Are we done now?  I am exhausted.

[Stingray]

FWIW I think for the purposes of simplicity you did the right thing by only allowing voting on the two designs that seemed to be the most popular. There really wasn't a lot of point in including the others. Almost all discussion centered around these two designs.

Oh and good deal in allowing Chris, Pixel and Saint the tokens at cost.

I'm thrilled that you're getting brass and nickel. I'll probably buy 200 of each. Can't wait to see these things!!!  

-S

[DaveMMR]

As someone who's been keeping up with the 10 page (to date) conversation over the token design, it seemed pretty clear cut it was down to two choices on the design (actually by page 9 it seemed almost certain in would be the Pac-Man Design).  Therefore, I don't see why thread has to turn into a "what about my design?" when they clearly weren't fought for back on the other thread.

[patrickl]

Are we done now?  I am exhausted.

Sure, dunno why this went so much out of control, but apparently I have a hard time explaining my point to people.

[Tilzs]

I'm done with the conversation.  I am comfortable that I have been open from the start that I would make a modest profit for my effort.  This is sour grapes, pure and simple.

This is not about your profit, it's just that I don't want you to hear you complain over and over about not making enough profit if the people who pay for the coins choose the designs they like best.

I expected a fair vote on the design. I know the outcome would not be different, but I'm sure the people who put their designs forward would have liked to have seen their designs entered in the vote (I know I would have). At least to see if it was third or fourth. Simply dismissing all other designs (apparently apart from the ones you like) is needlesly rude.

If you don't like it then go get your own tokens pressed. Since Santoro is the investor I really think he has the last word on what is pressed no matter what anyone thinks. He's really just looking to get a feeling for what people want so that he isn't stuck with 5k tokens