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Main => Everything Else => Topic started by: danny_galaga on January 07, 2009, 03:31:14 am
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;D
i want that one (http://www.theonion.com/content/video/apple_introduces_revolutionary)
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I'll wait for the new lighter model that's coming :P
I like the "mac user" and the closing sentence :angel:
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How true! Yesterday Apple was making complete ass of themselves at the keynote. Onion hit the weak spot perfectly.
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That thing is...ABSOLUTELY RETARDED.
I like the closing line of the news anchor, "I wonder if the wheel will catch on in the business world where people are doing actual work and not just dicking around". I can't believe she really said "dicking around"!
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the onion is hilarious.
"its just a few hundred clicks away!"
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That thing is...ABSOLUTELY RETARDED.
I like the closing line of the news anchor, "I wonder if the wheel will catch on in the business world where people are doing actual work and not just dicking around". I can't believe she really said "dicking around"!
You do realize that The Onion is satirical news, right? That being said, it seems spot on this time. ;D
Mac fan I'll buy anything shiny that Apple puts out.
:cheers:
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So... the whole product is fake? In that case, that is a damn impressive satire.
I totally would believe Apple would come out with something that retarded.
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So... the whole product is fake? In that case, that is a damn impressive satire.
I totally would believe Apple would come out with something that retarded.
Yep, that's the beauty of the story.
A few hundred clicks later and the email was sent....
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That was great. The Onion goes all out when they do those sketches.
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Apple's going to be hurting real soon if they don't pull some killer product out of their ass.
Are you kidding? The ipod itouch was a huge hit this last christmas and iphone didn't do too shabby either.
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Apple's going to be hurting real soon if they don't pull some killer product out of their ass.
Are you kidding? The ipod itouch was a huge hit this last christmas and iphone didn't do too shabby either.
Yeah, I was kinda confused by that as well. The iPod nano 4g is also doing well. (I love mine)
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If you compare it to the S&P 500, Apple mirrors the broader market during the same period. A six month window isn't going to show you anything for the health of a company. You're jumping to a conclusion based off a small window.
Chart
(http://finance.yahoo.com/echarts?s=AAPL#chart2:symbol=aapl;range=6m;compare=^gspc;indicator=volume;charttype=line;crosshair=on;ohlcvalues=0;logscale=on;source=undefined)
Say what you want about their products being _____ (over priced, high priced commodities during a recession, or whatever) but just looking at the stock price isn't going to show you much. Unless you a short term trader trading on volatility alone and then you probably wouldn't be playing Apple anyway....
I'd suggest looking at their financials and see gross/net revenues during one period compared to the same period in the previous year. The economy will definitely affect their sales. However, that's already been built into their forecast for their next fiscal year and also into the analyst's forecasts for where their revenues come in on a quarterly and annual basis.
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Without even seeing your portfolio I can honestly say I wouldn't touch any stock you have with a ten foot pole.
Every company is hurting or failing …Waterford Crystal just announced it’s closing.
I thought Apple was done when I graduated college 10 years ago., but Apple is a company that has been able to change direction and turn lemons into lemonade for years. All these other companies have been winning with the same formula, but Apple has had to change direction every other year, and that’ll be the reason they survive while other more solid companies collapse.
Apple is changing how songs are sold through iTunes.
This trick will help them gain a few more nickels and times while other companies are selling off their assets for pennies on the dollar.
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*chuckle* ... and yet Apple's market share of PCs has and is steadily growing. I guess that means they're going belly-up any day now.
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10 years ago when I thought Apple had lost its aura, Apple sold rights to allow other companies make Macintosh computers. This was done long before by its competitors like IBM and it’s PC.
IBM created the PC, now it's not even near the top of the list when it comes to PC brands.
When Macintosh regained its popularity it bought back all the rights and within a week their stock doubled.
What this iTunes thing tells me is Apple is preparing for another big push, while other companies are preparing for bankruptcy.
I cringe when I'm asked to create a cross platform CD, because I can make one exe to run on every Windows machine from Win98 to Vista, but I have to create and test multiple versions that'll run on all the Mac OSs still in use by schools and the government.
I want Apple to fail as much as pinballjim does, but I know they’re capable enough to even outlast Windows Microsoft.
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Put simply, everyone that wants an I-Pod already has one and nobody feels the need to replace it with a marginally better model.
Combine that with a year of what will be tight consumer spending and the pressure is on.
http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/07/smallbusiness/macworld_expo.smb/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote (http://money.cnn.com/2009/01/07/smallbusiness/macworld_expo.smb/index.htm?source=yahoo_quote)
etc etc. I wouldn't touch their stock with a 10 foot pole right now.
I'm just using current market conditions as an excuse to snatch up stocks that I think will eventually creep back up. Apple is one I've considered but I'm not optimistic about them.
Those are two very different claims.
Just curious:
Using current market conditions, what stock are you optimistic about?
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LOL. That was Great :D
I bought a super expensive Ipod video some time back. 60 gigs.
In a few days time, I found out how Crappy the thing was:
1) There was no win98 support at time of purchase... and even windows xp support
was sketchy. I had to buy a non apple program just to use the thing... and that was
after a good deal of infuriating frustration.
2) I brushed past a corner, and it nearly tore off the scroll wheel. It had a huge
deep scratch thru it.. and scrolling in that area was messed up.
3) Next up... with all of that power it had... it didnt even have a way to create a
customized EQ! And most of the EQ settings it had were crap.
4) You cant operate the thing with gloves on! Had to use my nose to scroll in the winter
here.
5) It took a weak 1ft tumble WITH a 3mm Thick rubber protective sleeve on it... and the
Hard drive was Messed up.
6) Being that I owned the thing less than 1 yr... and was so damn expensive... I figured
that it MUST be under warranty right? WRONG. Apple warrants the Ipod from date of
Manufacture... and Not when you buy it. So.. if the thing sat on the store for a year..
you would be buying a warantee-less item. In my case... my Warranty was past due
by like 2 months or so.
7) To see what it would take to get it repaired you had to go thru hoops to register...
and even then... its very non-confrontational about pricing. I soon realized why.
It cost almost as much as a brand new one, to get it fixed thru them.
8 ) Apple sells no parts to fix the things for yourself... AND since they keep changing the
hardware... there are incompatibilities with various drives and memory types.
9) There is No easy way to access the battery, and at that time.. No replacement for the
battery. How LAME is that?!
I USED to go by the saying "You get what you pay for"... and opt for spending the
larger amount of money for the higher quality... which would last longer, and perform
better. However... I see from this company, (and others), that its not true at all.
I will NEVER buy an Apple product again... and I will continue to tell everyone I know
about how crappy apple products are.
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4) You cant operate the thing with gloves on! Had to use my nose to scroll in the winter
here.
ha! i know how you feel...
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LOL. That was Great :D
I bought a super expensive Ipod video some time back. 60 gigs.
In a few days time, I found out how Crappy the thing was:
1) There was no win98 support at time of purchase... and even windows xp support
was sketchy. I had to buy a non apple program just to use the thing... and that was
after a good deal of infuriating frustration.
2) I brushed past a corner, and it nearly tore off the scroll wheel. It had a huge
deep scratch thru it.. and scrolling in that area was messed up.
3) Next up... with all of that power it had... it didnt even have a way to create a
customized EQ! And most of the EQ settings it had were crap.
4) You cant operate the thing with gloves on! Had to use my nose to scroll in the winter
here.
5) It took a weak 1ft tumble WITH a 3mm Thick rubber protective sleeve on it... and the
Hard drive was Messed up.
6) Being that I owned the thing less than 1 yr... and was so damn expensive... I figured
that it MUST be under warranty right? WRONG. Apple warrants the Ipod from date of
Manufacture... and Not when you buy it. So.. if the thing sat on the store for a year..
you would be buying a warantee-less item. In my case... my Warranty was past due
by like 2 months or so.
7) To see what it would take to get it repaired you had to go thru hoops to register...
and even then... its very non-confrontational about pricing. I soon realized why.
It cost almost as much as a brand new one, to get it fixed thru them.
8 ) Apple sells no parts to fix the things for yourself... AND since they keep changing the
hardware... there are incompatibilities with various drives and memory types.
9) There is No easy way to access the battery, and at that time.. No replacement for the
battery. How LAME is that?!
I USED to go by the saying "You get what you pay for"... and opt for spending the
larger amount of money for the higher quality... which would last longer, and perform
better. However... I see from this company, (and others), that its not true at all.
I will NEVER buy an Apple product again... and I will continue to tell everyone I know
about how crappy apple products are.
You're nuts. And your opinions on Apple products is off as well. ;D
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So... the whole product is fake? In that case, that is a damn impressive satire.
I totally would believe Apple would come out with something that retarded.
Money fail. Kudos :cheers: ;D
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So... the whole product is fake? In that case, that is a damn impressive satire.
I totally would believe Apple would come out with something that retarded.
that's gold! the onion certainly do a slick gag ;D
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I had never heard of the onion before. Add to that the fact that their video looked identical to CNN video, and that I didn't have sound on for most of the video on the first watch and I was the perfect sucker. ;D
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The Onion is one of the oldest institutions on the web... I remember reading it as far back as the mid 90s. It may predate Ebay and I know it predates Google.
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The Onion is one of the oldest institutions on the web... I remember reading it as far back as the mid 90s. It may predate Ebay and I know it predates Google.
Thats because it originally was an actual "fake" printed newspaper before it was on the web. I remember a friend of mine was subscribed to it back in 1998.
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I think those who love Apple products will still purchase them this year. Sales will be lower as the "average" consumer may not, but their core customers will still support them.
Apple's P/E is about 17 right now. That's slightly higher than some other bellwether tech stocks but only marginally higher than most of the Dow 30. I'm sure if you compared it to most components of any major index, it's going to be inline or slightly higher. The stock isn't trading at a high P/E so fundamentally, it's a good value.
Obviously, predicting where it will be in 6-12 months or longer isn't easy. If you're looking at a long term purchase, the philosophy of investing is much different than a short term trading scenario.
Hell, it seems their stock value is fluctuating more on Steve Jobs' health as opposed to recent market trends. That's what concerns me more than any other aspect of the company right now.
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Thats because it originally was an actual "fake" printed newspaper before it was on the web. I remember a friend of mine was subscribed to it back in 1998.
Yeah... I remember sometime around like 1996 one of my classmates modded a story they ran on Clinton and (the country) Chad to be about me and posted it on our class' server... I might still have that on a backup drive somewhere.
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First thing they did was purge the archives of all the 'edgey' content - the stuff that was actually funny. All the dud articles were left online.
Agreed. I've searched for various articles before with no luck.
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Apple is one I've considered but I'm not optimistic about them.
How so? I think Apple stock is going to continue going down for the near future and it would be a mistake to buy it right now. They're releasing clunkers and you're going to see a cultural trend this year that shies away from conspicuous consumption.
If it's going to continue to go down why would you consider it?
GM
3.97 -0.16 (-3.87%) Jan 8 11:37am ET
Open: 4.13
High: 4.15
Low: 3.92
Volume: 6,245,849
Avg Vol: 38,161,000
Mkt Cap: 2.42B
Apple
90.80 -0.21 (-0.23%) Jan 8 11:38am ET
Open: 90.46
High: 91.74
Low: 90.04
Volume: 8,066,556
Avg Vol: 32,528,000
Mkt Cap: 80.72B
In a month we'll see which one went up/down more.
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I wish I would have had a few thousand sitting around to day trade on the bailout companies. My brother in law made a bit off Ford I believe.
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My dad was thinking pretty much the same thing and picked up a bunch of GM stock for $2.something back in November.
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I've been yelling at people to buy GM stock since the last week of December and it's up 33%.
Apple was at $86 when GM was at $3.07. Last I checked, (3.07 / 3.97) vs (86 / 90.80) was 22.7% vs 5.3%.
First you claimed there was a 33% difference and now your claiming 22.7%.
If I had time I could go through the market and find a time when Apple showed a higher return and say that's when I was telling people to buy.
Since I don't care I'll just did another Google search with "GM stocks" and "Apple stocks"
GM is now at 4.04 it was at 3.97 when you first mentioned it +$0.07
Apple is now at 92.70 it was at 90.80 when you first mentioned it +$1.90
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In the Netherlands the government bought a 49% interest in a bank (Fortis) when it threatened to go under (Fortis bought another bank and was way in debt just when the financial crisis started hitting hard). Stock prices completely collapsed after the government buy-out since the stock owners now effectively owned a lot less of the company than before.
It depends entirely on how the US government helps GM wether it will increase its stock value or not.
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It depends entirely on how the US government helps GM wether it will increase its stock value or not.
It also depends on whether or not people will pay $30,000+ for a car from a company that might not be around to honor a warranty.
With people not knowing how long they’ll be working, a car loan is out of the question.
A $500 billion check from the government gets GM a few months.
A $500 check from the government gets me a new iPhone, iPod...
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Apple going down ? Hah !
Just on the TV news here: Dell laying off 1800 employees at the Ireland factory !
I don't know why people have so much hate towards a company that has a vision for great products.
Enjoy your wacky old OS (XP hits 9 years this year, hooray !) that is full of bugs, open to zillion of viruses and costs tons in keeping them maintained in business environments.....
So, that lady is TOTALY missing it with her last line, since if you want to actually USE a computer instead of fixing/maintaining the damn thing, you're much better off with a Mac.
But then again, Pinballjim, don't know under what rock you have lived the last 10 years, but Apple totally dominates the MP3 player market and has brought a major wack to the mobile phone market. Both markets were completely new to them.
No other company has done something like that lately.
I see all the others follow with Iphone look-a-like's. But they'll never make it because they are the followers, not the leaders.
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I see all the others follow with Iphone look-a-like's. But they'll never make it because they are the followers, not the leaders.
Don't know under what rock you have lived the last 10 years, but Windows was once a Macintosh "look-a-like".
Which one of those products is totally dominating?
We're not talking about how much better PCs are. There are plenty of other threads explaining why Macs suk, we’re talking about how, no matter how much Apple products suk, the company keeps making a come back.
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It's funny how easily you can spot Mac fanboys when they start adamantly defending OSX and bashing XP even though no one else has mentioned either one.
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Modded Macbook Air commercial:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkYysG3Z5_k&feature=related[/youtube]
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I've been yelling at people to buy GM stock since the last week of December and it's up 33%. I think Obama is going to shovel a huge pile of money on them in a few weeks and the margin will get even better. I also think Chesapeake Energy & Tesoro are selling cheap but I'm reluctant to touch energy right now.
i take it you are recommending them for the short term? if long term, what are GM going to do that is fundamentally different? that is, whatever it is that got them so deep in the poo, what will they change?
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I see all the others follow with Iphone look-a-like's. But they'll never make it because they are the followers, not the leaders.
Don't know under what rock you have lived the last 10 years, but Windows was once a Macintosh "look-a-like".
Well, having seen Vista, it still is a wanna be Mac OS. Thus, MS is the follower, not the leader. Look how well MS is doing in the MP3 player business anyone got a Zune here ?.......Look how well they do in the Mobile Phone business.......it's a joke. They are a one-trick pony, they fail to innovate completely.
We're not talking about how much better PCs are. There are plenty of other threads explaining why Macs suk, we’re talking about how, no matter how much Apple products suk, the company keeps making a come back.
IIRC the start of this thread was a fake video about a product that anyone with more than 2 braincells know that Apple would never produce.
If you want to make a really funny video, try to hit Apple at it's weak spots, not it's strong spots, because that just shows your lack of creativity IMHO.
The clickwheel and the intuitive way it works on the iPod is one of the key features why the iPod dominates the market. It's the perfect input for a device that doesn't require typing lots of text. A click wheel on a computer is an insane idea.
The last real come-back that Apple made was with the launch of the first iMac. After that they've been doing better and better, there haven't been any come-backs after that, just good new products.
Call me a fanboy if you want, so far, I've only bought two Apple products in my life. A Mac Mini and an iPod 4G Nano. I am a satisfied customer. That's all.
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Call me a fanboy if you want, so far, I've only bought two Apple products in my life. A Mac Mini and an iPod 4G Nano. I am a satisfied customer. That's all.
a satisfied customer who is overly defensive of apple products and overly derisive of microsoft ones. :P
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when I watch that video... I was thinking... what are they thinking ??....
before I read on, I thought it was real.... so I guess I only have 1 brain cell left...
I better protect it... or I might not remember how to type... lol...
I'm not a MAC person, do not own any apple product...
iphone, ipod, ianything...
but I look at this economy... and then look inside the apple store...
its still packed with people buying....
I guess there has to be a reason....
but another person was saying MAC doesn't have virus and such...
that is because MAC doesn't have the market share...
MAC holds less than 10% mkt share of PC mkt...
its not worthwhile to create virus for it...
just think how much $$ they're making for all those anti-virus pgrm....
so, does that make me a PC fanboy ??... lol....
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Call me a fanboy if you want, so far, I've only bought two Apple products in my life. A Mac Mini and an iPod 4G Nano. I am a satisfied customer. That's all.
Mac mini's were released a year ago.
I bought a PowerMac in college running Mac OS 7.x. It was the top of line Mac and the best operating system around(so I thought). After I graduated they released OS 8 and it was too big for the hard drive that came with the top of the line Mac I bought 2 years earlier. Plus Mac just stopped supporting OS 7 there was no transitional period, all new programs had to run on OS 8.
I was where you are, unless you have 3 grand to throw away every other year, next year you'll understand my contempt for Mac.
I think people who have always been PC users can care less about Mac vs PC, it's the Mac users who've been burned by Mac that have the antiMac attitude.
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What's this BS I keeping hearing about "fixing/maintaining" a PC and not having to on a Mac? What exactly have I had to fix on my 3 year old PC? Nothing. Meanwhile Mac laptops have been literally exploding.
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Ok here we go:
but another person was saying MAC doesn't have virus and such...
that is because MAC doesn't have the market share...
MAC holds less than 10% mkt share of PC mkt...
its not worthwhile to create virus for it...
One of the most dead-beat horses.
Do you really think 10 percent of the market is not an interesting target for virus-writers? If I would be a virus creator, it would be the ultimate challenge to succesfully launch the first virus for the OS X platform. You'd be the hero of the scene.
So, you're wrong. The reason why there are no virusses for OS X is that it's simply constructed too safe to get a virus to work.
Compare that to 1 million virusses for the PC platform.
Which brings me to:
What's this BS I keeping hearing about "fixing/maintaining" a PC and not having to on a Mac? What exactly have I had to fix on my 3 year old PC? Nothing. Meanwhile Mac laptops have been literally exploding.
I mean I don't have to run any virus scanners, keep them up to date every 2 days, do malware scans, clean registries, re-install the OS 3 times per year because the system has become slow because of all the added applications that polluted the registry and more, install drivers for every new product I add, have to defragment my Harddisk, recover from blue screens, do I really need to go on ?
My Mini is a computer like I always wanted. Like a TV. Turn it on and off (well OK, in sleepmode) within 2 seconds, just work and use it instead of maintaining it. It's also extremely silent. It's in my living room and it's a dream compared to the vaccuum cleaner sound that my previous PC produced.
Oh, and the battery problem you referred to was NOT a Mac only problem:
Quote:
Laptops do sometimes burst into flames. There are at least 43 reported incidents in the last two years. In 2004 and 2005, Apple, Dell and Hewlett Packard collectively recalled more than 300,000 laptop batteries “due to fire hazards.”
Unquote.Bad batteries. Not Apple's fault, battery builder fault.
I've been a PC user for a very long time. I'm even a Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer. I just got SO tired of fixing my own and other people's endless numbers of problems with PC's that I tried a Mini. Picked it up while on holiday in the US. The fact that it had an Intel processor made me think, hey if I don't like OS X I can always run Windows on it. Funny.
The only thing I'm saying, give a Mac a try. It's stupid to judge them without having ever used one.
Dartful: Tell me, if you'd run Vista on the PC you had bought two years before it was released, how would it run ?
I've experienced it the other way around. My Mini came with Tiger. When I switched to Leopard it improved a LOT on it's performance. Seeing what Apple is planning for the next OS it will get even better. MS only wants to continue the circle of loading the hardware more with each new OS because that's what makes the circle of love between MS and the PC builders continue.....
My Mini is over 2 years old now (don't know why you think they were released a year ago ? The G4 Mini's were released in early 2005). The Mini was not 3 grand but less than 700 USD incl. mous & keyboard.
I'll stop now, because I'm overly defending Apple already :D
And Barry if you read this, please don't take it personally ;)
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I'll stop now, because I'm overly defending Apple already :D
Explaining the greatness of OSX and how horrible windows is when no one else has mentioned either one is overly defending Apple. Now that others have responded to your initial comments, I would expect no less then a novel about the greatness of OSX from you ;D
Personally I don't really care which one people use because they both have their advantages and disadvantages.
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I like Apple stuff.
I haven't bought an Apple computer in years, for various reasons.
Initially, I couldn't do what I wanted/needed to do on a Mac. Now, it is more about price -- I can get more bang for the buck and I get solid performance, even using Vista. That may not be true for everybody, but I haven't had an issue with XP, Vista or Vista64.
I think Level42 needs to look into getting some AV software -- there have been a number of worms for OS X and there have been some interesting security flaws. Also, before we give Apple credit for the "too safe" inner workings of OS X, let's remember where the guts of OS X came from (along with some of the aforementioned security flaws).
The iPhone was not Apple's first foray into phones. That was the Motorola ROKR and wasn't exactly an outstanding effort.
I still like Apple stuff.
If I had cash to burn, I would buy a couple of nice Mac Pros (after buying the SW cockpit and Major Havoc, of course). If I didn't prefer my Bold, I would get an iPhone.
We also should remember that Apple has had it's share of less-than-stellar products -- ROKR, Newton, Lisa, Pippin, Cube, Taligent, the thing they did with AOL, AppleTV.
Apple does innovate and has had some cool products recently, but they are hardly the tech deity that people seem to believe they are.
:cheers:
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Dartful: Tell me, if you'd run Vista on the PC you had bought two years before it was released, how would it run ?
The problem isn't running newer OSs on older machines, the problem is when Mac releases a new OS the old one can only run old software.
I am currently using Windows XP Professional 2002 with the latest Adobe bundle.
Mac's now using animal names so Mac users won't realize a 0.1 OS upgrade just rendered their computer useless.
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So, you're wrong. The reason why there are no virusses for OS X is that it's simply constructed too safe to get a virus to work.
Compare that to 1 million virusses for the PC platform.
Bro, I was staying out of this, because personally I could give a crap about one OS vs the next. I have to use them all in my line of work. As a professional software engineer, though, I had to comment on this. It's crap. There is nothing inherently secure about OS X in regard to Windows. It's sitting behind the same average consumer firewalls. It is running on the same basic physical architecture. It is running on the same type of physical resources. It is prone to the exact same style of self replicating binaries that all desktop based operating systems are. The only real difference is level of integration between the OS and the mail and web clients. Windows is a little bit easier to get a virus into... but other than that the basic vulnerability of the OS itself is pretty much the same. Any competent developer could write a nasty virus for OS X with a little bit of penetration research.
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
One what ? A worm for OS X ? There have been a number. Nothing earth shattering, but they exist.
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
Ehm, a month ago Apple advised people to install a virus scanner on their macs. They quickly removed the support notice though.
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First thing they did was purge the archives of all the 'edgey' content - the stuff that was actually funny. All the dud articles were left online.
Agreed. I've searched for various articles before with no luck.
Any examples? I've been able to find old articles without a problem. Though I really didn't start reading it until the late 90's.
But even if you think it's lost its edge, do yourself a favor and pick up the Onion's "Our Dumb Planet". My favorite is the entry on Nicaragua (the header is: "Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start").
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
The whole point of viruses nowadays is big money. You don't see the little dweebs living in their mom's basement writing viruses anymore. The big bad viruses come from organized crime. Now, if you are trying to steal from someone, will you hit the little piddly amount of users, or the vast majority? It's all about numbers, nothing else. The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.
As far as being proactive and the actual number of vulnerabilities, and time til patched, I believe that Microsoft has finally gotten ahead of the game and now leads Apple in that regard.
Now, back on topic: that video was awesome! I loved the part where they show the one guy with the email he "typed" - with all the spelling errors! (Just like dudes that use an iPhone)
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.
Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.
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As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser. There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection. I remember reading about one virus that infected computers through Open Office (which has since been patched) and the virus was capable of infecting everything from Macs to Linux to Windows. I'm sure if you do a search for a Mac vs Pc argument on this forum from 6+ months ago, then you'll find links I posted about the virus.
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.
Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.
Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?
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IBM created the PC, now it's not even near the top of the list when it comes to PC brands.
Wait, what? Could that have something to do with the fact that IBM got out of the PC business years ago, and sold the whole PC division to Lenovo?
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No, that's pretty much a result, not a cause. Compaq, Dell, Gateway, etc... pretty much knocked IBM off that throne. Big iron was/is IBM's mainstay.
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As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser. There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection.
You say this like it's something to be simply dismissed. It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor. So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."
If OSX is locked down from email/web-based threats (I know nothing about it and have no idea whether this is actually true, btw) that pretty much makes it about 99% locked down.
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It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor. So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."
Where's CheffoJeffo when we need a qood Tommy quote? Probably yelling at kids on his lawn... ;)
most times the best way to keep people out of your yard or make them not want to try to break into your house is to have a big dog. I sometimes tell them you should look into getting a pit bull or other big dogs
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The quote-fu is strong in this one ...
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As it's been said, the reason Macs don't get viruses is because of their mail client and web browser. There have been viruses that infect macs through other programs, but they're just not as widespread since the mail client and web browser are the best way to quickly spread an infection.
You say this like it's something to be simply dismissed. It's like responding to my bragging about my new home alarm system with, "Yes, yes, your windows and doors are very well protected, but that's not going to stop someone from tunneling under the house and coming up through the floor. So your alarm system really doesn't make your house much safer than my no-alarm-system house."
If OSX is locked down from email/web-based threats (I know nothing about it and have no idea whether this is actually true, btw) that pretty much makes it about 99% locked down.
I'm saying it because Level42 is saying that OSX is impervious to virus attacks and has never had any sort of virus threat, but thats not true, it's just better protected. Heres one that spread via the instant messenger chat: http://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2006-021614-4006-99
Of course that security hole also has been patched, so it's pretty much non-existent now, but at one point it was capable of sending itself to everyone on your IM list.
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First thing they did was purge the archives of all the 'edgey' content - the stuff that was actually funny. All the dud articles were left online.
Agreed. I've searched for various articles before with no luck.
Any examples? I've been able to find old articles without a problem. Though I really didn't start reading it until the late 90's.
But even if you think it's lost its edge, do yourself a favor and pick up the Onion's "Our Dumb Planet". My favorite is the entry on Nicaragua (the header is: "Up, up, down, down, left, right, left, right, B, A, Start").
have you seen the onion movie?
STEVEN SEAGAL IS
[youtube]http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=Us-iYTflJFg[/youtube]
best seagal movie ever! apparently the only movie with him in it to get over a 6 on imdb
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.
Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.
Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?
For the ---smurfing--- last time: it's not a matter of how many there are, it's a matter how ---smurfing--- easy it is to do !
I'm SO done here in this thread. Shmokes, thanks for a little common sense here instead of plain stubbornness.
Wow Atomsmasher, you actually found 1 (ONE) !!!! Wow !! Impressive !!!
Quote from that same site you linked to:
OSX.Leap.A is a worm that targets installs of Macintosh OS X and spreads via iChat Instant Messenger program.
Note: It infects files on the Macintosh OS X version 10.4. The worm will execute on Intel Macs, but cannot spread to other systems from these machines.
Protection
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* Wild Level: Low
* Number of Infections: 0 - 49
* Number of Sites: 0 - 2
* Geographical Distribution: Low
* Threat Containment: Easy
* Removal: Easy
Damage
* Damage Level: Low
Distribution
* Distribution Level: Low
Writeup By: Costin Ionescu
End of quote.
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH 0-49 infections !!!!! AMAZING !!!!
O and see: IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?
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....and yet no-one has succeeded in creating one.
The only protection Macs have is that no-one gives a crap about such a small amount of users.
Sure. 30 Million computers worldwide is not a thing to attack eh.....if you really believe that you're really dreaming.
Well if the same effort can reach about 1 billion computers, which would you pick?
For the ---smurfing--- last time: it's not a matter of how many there are, it's a matter how ---smurfing--- easy it is to do !
Well then why mention the 30 million as a desirable target? Seriously though why would anyone go for such a minimal market share?
An e-mail virus or Worm is indeed a lot more difficult with a mac. Simply because of the numbers. With only 3% of the recipients possible to infect, the virus (worm) would die out soon.
Besides the 3% who own a mac mostly do because they hate Windows for some reason. Why would they attack their beloved OS? If they even do anything besides web browsing and downloading itunes on their mac.
OS X is not secure. Heaps of exploits are discovered every year. For instance, the mac was the first to go down in the latest hacking event (http://arstechnica.com/journals/apple.ars/2008/03/28/macbook-air-compromised-in-2-minutes-for-10000)
Report: Vista more secure than OS X and Linux (http://www.engadget.com/2007/06/22/report-vista-more-secure-than-os-x-and-linux/) (Vista and WinXP have a lot less exploits than OS X)
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IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?
No, a virus, by definition, is any program that replicates itself, has nothing to do with "spreading"
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It's going to be interesting to see how Apple does with someone else as the face of Apple during his leave. I'm hard pressed to think of another CEO who personified the company like Jobs has. Certainly Bill Gates didn't. The only one I can think of is Jack Welch with GE but it wasn't nearly the same. Welch was a great leader where Jobs IS Apple in most people's eyes.
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Wow Atomsmasher, you actually found 1 (ONE) !!!! Wow !! Impressive !!!
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O and see: IT CANNOT SPREAD. Isn't that the definition of a virus ?
Did you actually read what I said or just click the link and decided to act like a tool? The Virus was able to spread (although that is not the definition of a virus), but it has been patched, it just wasn't able to spread on INTEL Macs. And if you believe that is the only virus ever made for a Mac, then you are sadly mistaken. I posted it as an example of Mac viruses using programs other then email and internet browser to infect computers and even talked about another virus that infects through OpenOffice. There are plenty of viruses on Macs, they just don't spread easily and most of the have already been patched.
Seriously, take off your blinders. Macs are not impervious to viruses. If you were to use an internet browser and email client other then IE or outlook on XP (such as Firefox or Opera), then you are just as protected from viruses as you are on a Mac.
Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
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Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
That kind of cheese sucks. Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!
;D
Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.
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Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
That kind of cheese sucks. Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!
;D
Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.
Indeed.
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Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
That kind of cheese sucks. Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!
;D
Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.
Indeed.
The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant. ;D
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Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
That kind of cheese sucks. Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!
;D
Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.
Indeed.
The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant. ;D
It's secure too. With every slice individually protected, there are no know virusses spreading on them.
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That bad cheese is better than a mac. >:D
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If you guys don't settle down I will pull this thread over and make you all run BeOS. Don't think I won't do it.
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Although it's already been established your a Mac fanboy, so I don't really expect anything other then Macs are the greatest thing since individually wrapped slices of cheese from you.
That kind of cheese sucks. Pick a better example or this thread is gonna get nasty!
;D
Seriously, cheese like that is terrible.
Indeed.
The cheese may be bad, but the concept is brilliant. ;D
It's secure too. With every slice individually protected, there are no know virusses spreading on them.
How is individually wrapped slices of cheese like an Apple product?
It's a great design and concept which makes it better protected against viruses, but it leaves bad taste in your mouth. ;D
http://www.instantrimshot.com/
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No way I'm clicking a link that has rim shot in the url...
Nice try! :)
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Nice try! :)
He deserves a 3 day ban just for bad execution. Even tommy wouldn't fall for that one.
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He deserves a 3 day ban just for bad execution. Even tommy wouldn't fall for that one.
Make it so, XO. I'm sure you have the power from Saint.
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Make it so, XO. I'm sure you have the power from Saint.
He's not dumb enough to give me such abilities. :afro:
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You guys do realize that the original meaning of the word rim shot is a drumming term and is usually referring to two drum beats and cymbal hit given after a bad joke.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yl3UMO-TkE
And luckly I fly below Saints radar so I won't ever be ba *THIS USER HAS BEEN BANNED FROM POSTING*
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You guys do realize that the original meaning of the word rim shot is a drumming term and is usually referring to two drum beats and cymbal hit given after a bad joke.
Wrong.
(Again).
I'm a drummer and a rimshot is a stroke of the drumstick where you hit the RIM and the head of the drum at once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimshot
What you mean is a sting.
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You guys do realize that the original meaning of the word rim shot is a drumming term and is usually referring to two drum beats and cymbal hit given after a bad joke.
Wrong.
(Again).
I'm a drummer and a rimshot is a stroke of the drumstick where you hit the RIM and the head of the drum at once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rimshot
What you mean is a sting.
I said it USUALLY REFERS to when you give a comedian a two beats and a cymbal. I didn't say that was the actual definition, just what the term is generally referring to and that the original meaning of the phrase is a drumming term (I knew exactly what a rim shot was when I made that post. Stop snickering Chad and Hoopz :P). It may technically be called a sting, but the vast majority of people call it a rim shot. Theres even a website called www.instantrimshot.com to give you the punchline notes (as I originally posted), if it was called www.instantsting.com then we wouldn't be having this converstaion.
But don't worry, I won't point out that you continually have trouble reading my posts ;D
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And for future reference I also enjoy eating Cockle soup (http://www.retrofoodrecipes.com/cockle_soup_1964.html) and watching Dik-dik's (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dik-dik)
:afro:
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Yes and if you'd searched for sting on wikipedia you would have read this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(percussion) ):
A sting is a short sequence played by a drummer to punctuate a joke, especially an obvious or slapstick one. A sting is often used as accompaniment during cabaret- or circus-style shows. It is often erroneously called a rimshot, although a rimshot can be part of a sting.
So, the term rimshot is used for a sting by people who know nothing about percussion. Then again Atomsmasher and some others here know everything about everything and will undoubtedly reply to this just to keep on nagging in this thread just for the sake of it.
Also very adult to start name-calling. I'm out of this thread.
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Yes and if you'd searched for sting on wikipedia you would have read this ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sting_(percussion) ):
A sting is a short sequence played by a drummer to punctuate a joke, especially an obvious or slapstick one. A sting is often used as accompaniment during cabaret- or circus-style shows. It is often erroneously called a rimshot, although a rimshot can be part of a sting.
So, the term rimshot is used for a sting by people who know nothing about percussion. Then again Atomsmasher and some others here know everything about everything and will undoubtedly reply to this just to keep on nagging in this thread just for the sake of it.
Also very adult to start name-calling. I'm out of this thread.
You do realize that I acknowledged the actual name for it is a sting in my previous post right? And that the whole reason for calling it a rimshot is because that was the name of the website, right? And when someone is talking about a rimshot (in drumming terms) that the majority of the time they are referring to a sting (which all of the links you posted confirmed), right?
Geez. It's almost comical how you only read bits and pieces of the posts you respond to. Here, I'll make it easy for you and quote the part of my last post that you seemed to miss:
It may technically be called a sting, but the vast majority of people call it a rim shot. Theres even a website called www.instantrimshot.com to give you the punchline notes (as I originally posted), if it was called www.instantsting.com then we wouldn't be having this converstaion.
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Also, if you're going to say it's not very mature to sarcastically call someone a genius, then you probably shouldn't respond by saying sarcastically that they "know everything about everything" since that essentially means exactly the same thing. If one is considered not very adult and name calling, then the other should considered to be the same.
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http://news.cnet.com/8301-1009_3-10199652-83.html
Safari hole exploited in seconds at security conference
In Apple's defense, this problem has only been known since '08.... >:D
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Apple is one I've considered but I'm not optimistic about them.
How so? I think Apple stock is going to continue going down for the near future and it would be a mistake to buy it right now. They're releasing clunkers and you're going to see a cultural trend this year that shies away from conspicuous consumption.
If it's going to continue to go down why would you consider it?
GM
3.97 -0.16 (-3.87%) Jan 8 11:37am ET
Open: 4.13
High: 4.15
Low: 3.92
Volume: 6,245,849
Avg Vol: 38,161,000
Mkt Cap: 2.42B
Apple
90.80 -0.21 (-0.23%) Jan 8 11:38am ET
Open: 90.46
High: 91.74
Low: 90.04
Volume: 8,066,556
Avg Vol: 32,528,000
Mkt Cap: 80.72B
In a month we'll see which one went up/down more.
Just bumping this to see current prices....
Apple (AAPL) - 130.68
General Motors (GM) - 1.59
$10,000 investment in GM at $3.97 per share would be worth $4,003 now (rounded off)
The same invested in Apple would be worth $14,374 (rounded off).
Obviously, both have event risk. GM's bankruptcy filing is due soon and who knows how Apple will respond with Job's health. But it's pretty clear which would have been the better investment as of this date.
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Apple is one I've considered but I'm not optimistic about them.
How so? I think Apple stock is going to continue going down for the near future and it would be a mistake to buy it right now. They're releasing clunkers and you're going to see a cultural trend this year that shies away from conspicuous consumption.
If it's going to continue to go down why would you consider it?
GM
3.97 -0.16 (-3.87%) Jan 8 11:37am ET
Open: 4.13
High: 4.15
Low: 3.92
Volume: 6,245,849
Avg Vol: 38,161,000
Mkt Cap: 2.42B
Apple
90.80 -0.21 (-0.23%) Jan 8 11:38am ET
Open: 90.46
High: 91.74
Low: 90.04
Volume: 8,066,556
Avg Vol: 32,528,000
Mkt Cap: 80.72B
In a month we'll see which one went up/down more.
Just bumping this to see current prices....
Apple (AAPL) - 130.68
General Motors (GM) - 1.59
$10,000 investment in GM at $3.97 per share would be worth $4,003 now (rounded off)
The same invested in Apple would be worth $14,374 (rounded off).
Obviously, both have event risk. GM's bankruptcy filing is due soon and who knows how Apple will respond with Job's health. But it's pretty clear which would have been the better investment as of this date.
Apple (AAPL) - $263.33
General Motors stock is now Motors Liquidation Company - $0.525
$10,000 invested in Apple would now be worth $28,900
$10,000 invested in GM and the dogshit UAW - $1,300
Damn glad I sold my Apple stock after making a few points three or four years ago.... :banghead:
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Lol, we should ask pbj for stock advice all the time. Just reverse his advice and we will be golden.
pbj, Which companies do you think will decline over the coming year?
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From the post/quote I couldn't tell which side I was on in this debate. This thread is over a year old and 90% of the time I agree with pbj. Since it's a year later and Hoopz still can't let it go, I would have been right to say Apple would fail just to upset the Mac sheep. But I didn't...
To save you the trouble this is what started my quote:
Just curious:
Using current market conditions, what stock are you optimistic about?
I've been yelling at people to buy GM stock since the last week of December and it's up 33%.
I also stated in this thread, that I hate Apple and I want it to fail. Not because it's followers can't see that its products are crap, like the video "Apple Wheel" points out, but because I'm a programmer and Apple does everything it can to make programming on the Mac difficult.
A year ago my company decided we'd start programming for smart phones. Knowing Apple, I asked to be the company's Android(Droid) programmer. We got this huge project to create a corporate app. At the same time we heard Adobe was releasing a product that would create apps for both the iPhone and the Droid. The Mac users were all excited and started programming for it. A few weeks ago Apple announced that it would no longer accept apps that were created on the Adobe products. A very Microsoft move on their part, but I'm sure the Mac zealots would claim it's not like the same thing Microsoft did to Netscape at all. Right now our company’s Mac users are recreating an iPhone app that they created. All I have to do is take the program they already created and resize it for the Droid. Which is why I have time to write this post.
…while they are programming.
As long as you don’t use or buy its products, Apple can make you a lot of money and save a lot of time.