Expression - and common misconceptions

[Ummon]

My aunt translated yesterday. She didn't go out kicking and screaming. She was ready. I was ready. I saw her last Friday, just before I went to my 20th (and first) high school reunion. She'd been in a sordid physical state for the last two years, and I wondered if things might...change...soon. And around that day or before, and through yesterday, I'd been feeling bright and illuminated. Clean. I feel even more so. And I feel ever...closer...with her. Incidentally, my serenity, as she mentioned to me last Friday, is one reason she and I were so close.

People express themselves out of emotion. However, the emotion, let alone the intent, behind their expression isn't necessarily what the audience might think. I expressed the above for two, related, reasons:

- to share my experience of the event, which is that she transcended this frame, and it's a wonderful feeling I have. She is more 'with me' than ever. (No, she was not a Jedi.  Heheheheh.)

- and to perhaps, at least somewhat, relieve you of your fears of something that isn't. Death.

[Hoopz]

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[saint]

Sorry for your loss Ummon.

[pinballwizard79]

Hang in there.

[ChadTower]

Well, all I can say is I hope you're right but I fear you're not.

Until he tries it himself, truly believing it is the same as knowing it's true.  It is just as well.  If it's not he'll never know it wasn't.

[RayB]

"translated" ?  Is that a mormon or scientology term ?

Regardless, sorry for your loss.

[shmokes]

Not Mormon.

[HaRuMaN]

"translated" ?  Is that a mormon or scientology term ?

Regardless, sorry for your loss.

I'd say it's an English term...

Translate:
transitive verb
1 a: to bear, remove, or change from one place, state, form, or appearance to another.

[CheffoJeffo]

I'm not certain whether to express sorrow for your loss or admiration for your outlook -- in either case, I am holding positive thoughts for you.

[Cakemeister]

Translate has nothing to do with scientology or mormonism, but I've heard the term in various new age beliefs.

"Translate" = "Become metaphysically challenged" = sugarcoated way to say "die".

Ummon was clearly close to his auntie so I feel sorry for his loss.

[Ummon]

This may be the only thread you've started that is actually in the proper place. 

<tilts head> Coouuld beee.

"translated" ?  Is that a mormon or scientology term ?

Regardless, sorry for your loss.

I'd say it's an English term...

Translate:
transitive verb
1 a: to bear, remove, or change from one place, state, form, or appearance to another.

Yeah, I'm thinking that's how Peter F. Hamilton meant it in his Confederation Universe series when a ship translated space, which is where I sort of borrowed it from. It's nice and neutral.

I'm not certain whether to express sorrow for your loss or admiration for your outlook -- in either case, I am holding positive thoughts for you.

Hahhahaah. Thanks, man.

[Hoopz]

My apologies for my insensitive post.  I didn't read your OP closely and wasn't aware of the situation.  I feel like a complete ass.   

[Ummon]

My apologies for my insensitive post.  I didn't read your OP closely and wasn't aware of the situation.  I feel like a complete ass.  

Hahahahahhah.....hahahahhaahh. Na, dude, no worries. People need to say whatever they do at whatever times they do. Same for me. Being so and understanding this is personal. (Some might call it 'genuine' and 'perceptive'.) Taking anything 'personal', on the other hand, just gets in the way of it all.

[Ummon]

Heh. But, indeed, and make it known in a legal manner. My aunt did.

Also, the other night, I happened to watch Field of Dreams. (Incidentally, especially with this flick in mind, I can't understand why some people don't love Costner...) I think I saw this only once before, about twenty years ago, and I mostly forgot what it was about. It's really good. And last Sunday, afterward, I decided I might as well go and hang out at the house with my parents - I don't generally see them much, just cos I don't often go anywheres - and I made sure to give my dad a long, deep hug and told him I loved him.

[ChadTower]

Heh. But, indeed, and make it known in a legal manner. My aunt did.

This is true... all it takes is one family member to disagree on what should be done, for any reason, and all that talk about your wishes becomes useless.  If it's not in writing and notarized it's not binding.

[Ummon]

Of course, even then, it can be messy given the right schmucks. And then it's like, in whatever fashion, you're not here, so why care? To make it easier on those who still are, at best.

[ChadTower]

BYOAC Fact #382: Anyone that takes legal advice from ChadTower needs their head examined.

That pretty much applies to anyone on an internet forum.    I've been through this, though, and my mother is a home health aide who sees it all the time.  The person passes and the kids immediately start fighting over how to handle arrangements.  Often the fight has more to do with who gets control so they are in a better position to benefit from the estate than it does with the person's final wishes.

[shardian]

If it's not in writing and notarized it's not binding.

BYOAC Fact #382: Anyone that takes legal advice from ChadTower needs their head examined.

BYOAC Fact #394: Anyone who immediately discredits another members very sound advice, just because that person give alot of it also needs their head examined.

Turns out in my state that stuff doesn't just magically default to a spouse. I still need to write up a will 'just in case'. Everyone should have a simple legal binding will. It doesn't require investing in a lawyer for a simple will to dictate your last wishes.

[ChadTower]

Even where it does default to a spouse - which is easily challenged by others anyway - what if your spouse dies in the car with you?  Then who decides?

[shmokes]

Even where it does default to a spouse - which is easily challenged by others anyway - what if your spouse dies in the car with you?  Then who decides?

Intestacy law decides. 

BTW, here's something kind of interesting.  If you handwrite your will it doesn't have to be witnessed or notarized or abide by any of those pesky will formalities (in most jurisdictions).  You can write it and put it under your mattress and even if not a single soul knows of it's existence while you're alive, as soon as it's found after your death it controls (provided that the person who finds it doesn't burn it ).

[ChadTower]

BTW, here's something kind of interesting.  If you handwrite your will it doesn't have to be witnessed or notarized or abide by any of those pesky will formalities (in most jurisdictions).  You can write it and put it under your mattress and even if not a single soul knows of it's existence while you're alive, as soon as it's found after your death it controls (provided that the person who finds it doesn't burn it ).

So what happens if someone decides to challenge and say it wasn't written by the deceased?  Or that the deceased was not in a competent mindframe when it was written?

[ChadTower]

You call my aunt that makes a very nice living analyzing documents.

To testify in court...

It happens up here all the time, actually.  The ancient falling down farmhouse on 50 acres that John Smith bought cheap to farm in 1946, who died in 1975 and his newly deceased widow still lived on, is now worth millions.  The lawsuits start flying before the funeral is finished.  Even a notarized binding will can be challenged.  A person may or may not win their challenge but that sure doesn't stop people from trying when the stakes are 7 figures in real estate.

[ChadTower]

Jeezus christ, Chad, do you EVER give it a rest?

It's a debate, jim, and people have viewpoints.  Deal.

[shmokes]

So what happens if someone decides to challenge and say it wasn't written by the deceased?  Or that the deceased was not in a competent mindframe when it was written?

It can be challenged on limited grounds, but that doesn't open the door to intestacy unless the will challenge succeeds.  But yeah, the person still has to have been of sound mind when he wrote the will, so that is one of the grounds on which it can be challenged.  As for proving that he wrote it, it's not very difficult.  Just about any evidence can be used.  It can be proved by testimony that it's his writing, or having a handwriting expert compare the handwriting to a sample.

The handwriting thing gets pretty crazy.  If you type out a will disposing of your entire estate and then in the margin, on the same piece of paper, add, "In addition to any dispositions I have already made, I give the remainder of my estate to my neighbor so-and-so who has been my best friend and lover for the past five years," and then sign it, only the handwritten portion will be valid (if you didn't get the thing witnessed, etc.).  So you may have just written your entire family out of your will and given everything to the neighbor!

[Ummon]

Welp, had the funeral ceremony yesterday. Actually, she didn't really want one, but of course everyone else did. Catholic, too. Was kinda interesting, though after a bit I was getting kinda bored - partly because I knew what the priest didn't, obviously couldn't, and who was saying no one could: about the afterlife.

Ah well. At least I got to hang with my family, especially those I don't often see, or haven't seen in years, like my cousin and his wife - whom I came to covet in some fashion.....hehn hehn hehn hehn hehn....yes, she's a pear.

[Ummon]

Well, rounding things out of course there's the estate stuff. Always nice to have relatives with assets and to be in their confidence. I now have a new bed frame (and I may keep her matresses - good, firm foam), some assorted knick-knacks an stuff, and....a new car! Well, new to me, anyways. But in good shape an all. Waiting for a call on monetary stuff. Of course, I didn't wish her to leave prematurely, and I don't think she did. So, all in all, gotta love it.

[Ummon]

Something related on this topic: it's interesting how people jump to various conclusions when presented with various things. For example, if you talk about the look of something, and your audience has something in common with that thing, or has something like that thing, said audience will assume what they are or have is being compared to. That it's perhaps even being considered inferior.

And maybe most people are doing just that. So when I mention such things, that's what the audience generally thinks. Whereas I'm just presenting the data I perceive. But obviously they're inherently insecure about themselves and their stuff.

[Ummon]

Addition after 'inferior': Or sometimes they're just being resistant to the possibility their perception and appreciation of form/structure/function of things could be augmented. It's not about how the world is, but how the world is TO THEM. Ahhh.

[RayB]

You're completely overlooking the fact that as much as you may not realize it, your reporting of so-called straight facts are inevitably going to be biased by your own perspective.

Also, your last two posts sound like long-winded indirect way of describing this scenario:

Ummon: "I mentioned to a woman how chubby and round her ass was and she got offended. I don't know why; I was just stating facts!"

Am I close?

[Ummon]

No. No. No. And no.  But that's all you're going to get, cos as I've been requested to cease discussing these matters, I'm requesting such threads locked or PH'd

[RayB]

I guess we should be thankful.

[Ummon]

Maybe. Perhaps if I'd gained entrance to PnR and created them there, such wouldn'tve occured. Mmm-mm-mmm.

[CheffoJeffo]

Are you seriously complaining ? 

You're bloody lucky that saint lets you in here at all, let alone with the nonsense that you continue to perpetuate.

You've been an ass here for years and have already been banned twice (or is that three times ?) previously.