Street Fighter 2

[Midway81]

I just got a street fighter 2 machine. If i want to put in the champion edition or sf3 or another sf game, is it as easy as just removing the pcb and putting in a different one? If so how new of a sf game can i get in there without changing the wiring? here is a pic of the cabinet.

[HaRuMaN]

I just got a street fighter 2 machine. If i want to put in the champion edition or sf3 or another sf game, is it as easy as just removing the pcb and putting in a different one? If so how new of a sf game can i get in there without changing the wiring? here is a pic of the cabinet.

SF3 is CPS3, so no.  You won't be able to put any CPS2 games in there either without some modifications.  (CPS2 includes Xmen Vs SF, SF Alpha, etc).

I think you can get the Champion edition in there, the kick harness should be the same.

[Gatsu]

I'd keep that one as is...or slap the Champion Edition in there.

Put 3rd Strike or any of the other SF's in its own cab.

Gotta keep SF pure.

[MrMojoZ]

Gotta keep SF pure.

I don't see the relationship between "pure" and a generic Dyanmo cut corner. 

[Namco]

Is that cab have a Z-back? I'm trying to figure out why it has Champion Edition artwork with a SF2 board inside?

Was it originally a SF2 converted to SF2CE with one of the kits they came out with 6 months after CE came out, then years later had SF2 board put back in?

Or is it an original SF2CE dedicated that someone put the SF2 board into?

But yeah, plain Dynamo cab could've been anything at the beginning.

[Gatsu]

didnt know that was a generic. I've only seen SF2 in that kind of cab.

[Namco]

didnt know that was a generic. I've only seen SF2 in that kind of cab.

SF2 was offered as a conversion kit only, so distributors converted existing machines to SF2, or used new Dynamo cabs. SF2CE was offered pre-installed in a Dynamo Z-back only for $5000 with no conversion kit offered until some time later or so if I recall correctly.

Most of the US coin op industry is made of dynamo cabs since the late 80's. Dynamo is an interesting company that I can't find any info on whatsoever. If you were an arcade operator/distributor and needed an empty cab, it was most likely a Dynamo. Those showcase cabs running Tekken with the wide screens are Dynamo HS-15 cabs. Dynamo makes air hockey tables. The common cut corner cab with the flat back is a dynamo HS-1 or 2 and if it's a bit wider with a 25" monitor in it, it's an HS-5 cabinet. If it has an angled back, it's a Z-back. The ones with the colored laminate on the front, bigger control panel and looks like the cabinet is made of two pieces, a top and bottom is an HS-9.

There's some great Dynamo flyers here: http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=65745.0

Zeppo on these boards used to work for Dynamo, perhaps he cah shed some light.

EDIT: Those flyers in the above link can be saved to your computer and opened so you can view them full size. They offer a better explaination as to the differences between the HS 1, 2, and 5

[Namco]

Whoa, here's a good shot of a cab very similar to yours. Blue laminate, obviously a Dynamo cab shape distributed (fabricated?) by 3koam



Even some blueprints here:
http://www.arcadeflyers.com/?page=thumbs&db=videodb&id=5998

[brock.sampson]

I have a sf2 ce board I would be willing to part with.  If you are interested send me a pm.

[Gatsu]

thanks for the info Namco. Now I'm a little more arcade savvy. 

[Midway81]

i thought if a game had the jamma wiring harness then you could put any other jamma board in it? Am i wrong? I looked up a few other street fighters like ex... and it said jamma, so why couldnt i put it in, there are the same amount of buttons.....

[HaRuMaN]

i thought if a game had the jamma wiring harness then you could put any other jamma board in it? Am i wrong? I looked up a few other street fighters like ex... and it said jamma, so why couldnt i put it in, there are the same amount of buttons.....

The kick harnesses are different, so you would need to rig some sort of adapter.  Remember, jamma standard is 3 buttons, not 6.

[Namco]

i thought if a game had the jamma wiring harness then you could put any other jamma board in it? Am i wrong? I looked up a few other street fighters like ex... and it said jamma, so why couldnt i put it in, there are the same amount of buttons.....

The kick harnesses are different, so you would need to rig some sort of adapter.  Remember, jamma standard is 3 buttons, not 6.

SF2 is Jamma, except that it has a daughter board with its own harness coming out of it for the kick buttons, like HaurmaN said. Here's the page out of the SF2 manual with the pinout of this part:

[MaximRecoil]

didnt know that was a generic. I've only seen SF2 in that kind of cab.

SF2 was offered as a conversion kit only, so distributors converted existing machines to SF2, or used new Dynamo cabs. SF2CE was offered pre-installed in a Dynamo Z-back only for $5000 with no conversion kit offered until some time later or so if I recall correctly.

The original dedicated SFII CE machines were in ordinary Dynamo HS-5 (not Z-back) cabinets. They were labeled on the back as "CPCM STREETFIGHTER 3 (HS5)" (see attachments below).

[Namco]

didnt know that was a generic. I've only seen SF2 in that kind of cab.

SF2 was offered as a conversion kit only, so distributors converted existing machines to SF2, or used new Dynamo cabs. SF2CE was offered pre-installed in a Dynamo Z-back only for $5000 with no conversion kit offered until some time later or so if I recall correctly.

The original dedicated SFII CE machines were in ordinary Dynamo HS-5 (not Z-back) cabinets. They were labeled on the back as "CPCM STREETFIGHTER 3 (HS5)" (see attachments below).

Wow, nice find. It says manufactured by Dyanamo, so it still smells pretty 3rd party to me. I wonder if the original purchaser bought that from Capcom or Dynamo? Would make sense to make use of any cabinet design you had on hand to churn these out as they were so hot at the time. I'm curious what the plate on the back of a dedicated Z-back reads.

[MaximRecoil]

Wow, nice find. It says manufactured by Dyanamo, so it still smells pretty 3rd party to me. I wonder if the original purchaser bought that from Capcom or Dynamo? Would make sense to make use of any cabinet design you had on hand to churn these out as they were so hot at the time. I'm curious what the plate on the back of a dedicated Z-back reads.

It actually says "produced" by Dynamo, which in legal terms is different than "manufactured" I believe.

Dynamo printed the name of the game on the label, so it was an official deal between Capcom and Dynamo (Capcom shipped Dynamo the necessary materials [boardset, art, etc.] and Dynamo did the rest). SNK made a similar deal with Dynamo for Ikari Warriors (HS-1 cabinets), as well as Victory Road, Guerilla War, Ikari III, etc.

Another interesting thing is that the game was originally to be called Street Fighter 3 (or it may have been a working title, like they often do with movies), which is reflected on the label.

I remember back when I first started playing SFII in the arcade (around '92), I saw a contest in a video game magazine to win a brand new SFII CE machine, and it was in a Dynamo HS-5 as well.

As you mentioned, the SFII CE conversion kits didn't come out until later, forcing operators to buy new machines if they wanted the hottest game in town in their arcades. There are some old newsgroup postings from that time frame where operators are complaining about that bit of "extortion" from Capcom. Also, to add fuel to the fire, Capcom falsely claimed that there would be no conversion kit available, thus increasing the incentive for operators to buy new machines.

Capcom has never been a cabinet manufacturer for U.S. games that I know of; and neither has SNK. In fact, most of the Japanese companies worked in this way for U.S. releases with the exception of Nintendo, who set up "Nintendo of America" who manufactured cabinets, plus they imported quite a few Japanese cabinets as well. For example, Namco teamed up with Bally Midway; Capcom teamed up with Romstar, Dynamo, and maybe others; SNK teamed up with Tradewest and Dynamo, and maybe others; etc.