PS2 light gun questions

[foleykoontz]

Hey I've been having trouble finding these answers online and was wondering if yall had some experience with this. I've got some light guns for my arcade so I can play the Time Crisis games and some other stuff and they work great for being such an off-brand (Yayo or something, they were 15 for the pair online). These guns are actually extremely accurate compared to the Interact guns for the Dreamcast, I was suprised. But my questions were is there anybody that's used light guns in their cabinet and used smoked glass in front of the screen? Does that affect the aiming or anything? I really want to use smoked glass for my arcade but if it messes up the light guns I guess I'll have to use regular glass. Also my second question was if PS1 shooting games work on PS2 with PS2 guns? My guns support regular light guns and the original Guncon but I can't seem to get them to work for this (I'm trying Area 51). Should I just buy a cheap PS1 so I can play these or what?

[SNAAKE]

ps2 guncon doesnt work with ps1 gun games. I dunno about smoke screen. I asked the same question but got no answer. however I played this jurrisic park gun game at the arcade and it worked fine even with smoke glass screen. I'd assume it works fine as long as you dont get something TOO dark or whatever. do your study before buying though.

[fronty]

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[foleykoontz]

Well actually my gun has the plug-ins for the usb and the controller input so I figured that would not be an issue. Also the gun has the option to switch from Guncon, Guncon2, and Gun which I'm assuming is the Enforcer you are talking about? Either way whatever setting I use on Area 51 it does not respond and on the box it does say that it works with PS1 so maybe that just meant it would work on the first system. I might just buy a PS1 cuz there's one on craigslist for $5 because I'm thinking of getting some other games like the original Time Crisis and the Pointe Blank games (Which are really hard to find for a decent price on eBay).

Here is the link for the guns:
http://www.gameliquidations.com/storefrontprofiles/DeluxeSFItemDetail.aspx?sid=1&sfid=47611&c=0&i=16812247

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[foleykoontz]

There's a Namco lightgun compilation for the PS2 that was released in Japan only (Gunvari Collection). It includes the PS1 Point Blank games plus Time Crisis 1. For a list of lightgun games check out this wikipedia page.

Wow that's exactly what I want, I'm suprised I haven't come across that before. That sucks that it was only released in Japan.

[foleykoontz]

Update: It actually turns out that there was ONE button on the guns I bought that I somehow didn't push and I can play Area 51 on my PS2 or original playstation as long as the gun is set for normal (Guncon and Guncon2 options do not even try to work). The button I missed was the start button so it never got past the demo screen until I found it.

MAIN POINT: PSX light games are still compatible with the PS2 (to a certain degree).

New question though: for anybody that has Area 51 for the PSX, do you have lots of trouble with the gun calibration? These guns are incredibly accurate when it comes to Time Crisis and such, but when I calibrate it to this game I'll point it at one spot on the screen, fire off a few shots, and 2 out of 5 go completely askew, not even close to the mark. Is this a common problem with this game or not? At the moment my setup has it where the tv is on the ground tilted up and I'm shooting down at it since my cabinet is not yet done. Am I missing anything here? Do guns on Playstations that aren't Guncons suck? Thanks in advance

[codeena]

Hi foleykoontz,

I own a few light guns that features the normal, Guncon and Guncon2. I do remember that I had that same offset shot problem w/Lethal Enforcers I/II and Crypt Killer. I have most of the PS1 and 2 light gun games, but I no longer have a CRT to try it out again. I really don't think that trying a regular PSX/PSone would remedy the inaccuracy. Perhaps an actual Konami Justifier light gun would work best? BTW, I like my 3rd party light guns more than the Guncon 2 because of the rumble effect and the mode switch.

On the sub, do you use regular composite or s-video for your tv? Just asking because there are s-video cables w/a Guncon input that looks considerably better than the standard composite connection. I actually just purchased a component one w/Guncon and I hope it works well on my PC monitor (via Mega Cool VGA adapter).

On your comment about Dreamcast Interact guns: they were not accurate for me either, until I used them on my VGA, which made them work well.

[foleykoontz]

On the sub, do you use regular composite or s-video for your tv? Just asking because there are s-video cables w/a Guncon input that looks considerably better than the standard composite connection. I actually just purchased a component one w/Guncon and I hope it works well on my PC monitor (via Mega Cool VGA adapter).

No these are just the regular ones. But ya the rumble that comes with these third party guns is pretty cool, it makes the Time Crisis games feel at least closer to the real thing but you can't beat that recoil on the arcade. Also I just got the original Time Crisis for the PSX and aside from the aim being a tiny bit off it works just fine. The main summary I'm getting at is I guess the Namco games are the only good light gun games (or at least the only ones that will work right) and everything else just sucks?

[DJ_Izumi]

'Normal' mode is actually the protocol for the 'Konami Justifier' on PS1.  Also, seemingly, the Justifier was cross compatable with the Saturn using an adaptor.  It's possible that with a Saturn adaptor of some sort, the gun would work on a Saturn.

The Justifier predated the Guncon, it doesn't require the video pass through adaptor to be connected, the justifier gets it's video sync data over the controller cable somehow.  I also have noticed that the Justifier based games seem less accurate, but this was done using third party Hip Gear guns, I've never seen a first party Justifier for PS1.

This is a guess, but I think the decrease in accuracy comes from the PS1 itself processing and doing the math between it's vidoe sync rate and when the gun see's the CRT beam.  In the Guncon and Guncon2 design, dedicated circuitry inside the gun does the math and just spits out X/Y info to the PlayStation.  Personally, I prefer Namco's offical Guncon 1's, my favorite console gun, best shape and best look.

A third party however, is probably the best for a cab, cause you can switch modes on a whim and play either Justifier, Guncon or Guncon 2 games without difficulty.  Though I find that Namco's models for PS1 and PS2 are more durable and well built.